Contracts, etc

[jayfox26]

9 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

He's not English so may not go far that much.

Ricardo will definitely go for a lot if he leaves. Top right backs are not easy to come by and are sought after, so we could name our price for him. Could see him going for more than Maguire. 

[TheLittleBigMan]

If we can't tie them down, tie them up I say. Someones gotta get tied up by the end of it surely?

 

Just saying.

[st albans fox]

3 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

Ricardo will definitely go for a lot if he leaves. Top right backs are not easy to come by and are sought after, so we could name our price for him. Could see him going for more than Maguire. 

Maguire had the English supplement ..... we would get max 60m for Ricky P imo ....

[TeaMen Tom]

On 09/12/2019 at 14:46, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

If somehow we can keep this squad together we will be a serious force, the difficulty is getting over that hurdle, let’s hope the players buy into the dream.

This is why the Rodgers extension could prove to be a great investment. They're all buying into what he's selling.

[Ric Flair]

53 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Maguire had the English supplement ..... we would get max 60m for Ricky P imo ....

Which means there's a good chance we won't sell him. We'd demand obscene money.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Which means there's a good chance we won't sell him. We'd demand obscene money.

As we know though, keeping players does require buy in by both parties. Would love Ricardo to sign a new contract and more importantly, buy into the direction the club is going.

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

As we know though, keeping players does require buy in by both parties. Would love Ricardo to sign a new contract and more importantly, buy into the direction the club is going.

Champions League football and challenging for trophies ought to increase the desire to stay. He deserves 100k a week minimum though. 

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Champions League football and challenging for trophies ought to increase the desire to stay. He deserves 100k a week minimum though. 

Totally agree.

Time and time again, when we seem to be looking for a way through, Ricardo can just get the ball and slalom by players, reigniting our intenstity. 

He is a top top player.

Edited 11 December 2019 by Dahnsouff

[Ric Flair]

2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Totally agree.

Time and time again, when we seem to be looking for a way through, Ricardo can just get the ball and slalom by players, reigniting our intenstity. 

He is top top player.

I will not negotiate with any football fan who doesn't think he's the best right back in the world. He is flawless.

[Chrysalis]

18 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

We need a bigger stadium and something that really stands out in the area.  When Villa go down there wont be another decent premier league club for maybe 60 miles around Leicester.  We should look to have a stadium of around 50,000 and try and increase our fan base.  We're the best club in the midlands we should have the best stadium to go with it.  

 

It's a piece of the big club jigsaw that needs addressing if we want to move up to the next level and stay there and attract the top talent.

This, the stadium is so important for attracting and retaining players, its a shame it hasnt been started on yet.

[Raw Dykes]

37 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

This, the stadium is so important for attracting and retaining players, its a shame it hasnt been started on yet.

Well, it has been started on. Initial surveys have been done and plans have been drawn up. I think we'll see more action when the training ground is complete in the summer.

[urban.spaceman]

9 hours ago, Plastik Man said:

Surely the sensible (and cheaper) plan will be to slowly expand the show pitch at the new Seagrave training ground, from a capacity of 199 eventually upto 50k. Plenty of space there and not many locals to oppose it. 

 

They'd need to build a flyover too though.

Can’t believe I’d overlooked this. With a 50k stadium in Seagrave the villagers would be well outnumbered and any complaints from one or two of them would be drowned out. Plus there’s plenty of parking around the village, which could become the new “fan village”, which is great because everything we would need for a fan village is already there: pub, parking, primary school etc. No need to build a hotel as there’s plenty of new business opportunities for locals to open bed and breakfasts. 
 

With respect a flyover is stupid though. Totally unnecessary. 

[Beechey]

On 09/12/2019 at 19:55, LCFC FOX said:

The training ground is a good sign. All we need now is a bigger stadium being filled every week and there’s no reason we can’t stay a top 6 side just like Man City did. We just need to qualify for Europe every season. As soon as we don’t that’s when our players will move on.

Seriously. I really hope they expand the ground soon because there's a lot of us that would kill for a season ticket.

Thankfully I have a friend who works for Nike that's got me tickets for every game this season though 

[urban.spaceman]

9 hours ago, KingsX said:

I didn’t miss hospitality -- it is part of matchday revenue -- though I could have underestimated it.  Depends how many corporate punters they can bring in and how many ₤5 pies can be sold.  (I expect corporate hospitality brings in much less in the east midlands than north London.)

If we build it, they will come! Most of the problem at the KP kiosks is that they’re too small for purpose and so inefficient. Spurs have that huge long bar which would certainly help. But Wembley also has a huge amount of space for diverse options. As we built the KP on the very, very cheap and without the influence of billionaire duty free/retail specialists, a brand new concourse done right could be exceptionally lucrative if it was properly functioning, without the need to raise prices. 
 

Having new and better options for hospitality could also be extremely lucrative. Especially if we’re a Champions League regular. We have a limited number of boxes at the minute - by doubling it we could more than double our income on it. 
 

9 hours ago, KingsX said:

This “Spurs microbrewery” in the article you linked … have you had the product?  I find the whole idea questionable ...

 

 

... but who knows, the "Audi Cup Winners Small Beer" may have been palatable.  Though I hear the buzz only lasted for a minute.

Surely they’d be sold in bottles rather than cans? Though maybe they lost their bottles. I’m shit at metaphors. 

[Nicolo Barella]

11 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Good points though I will say that you've missed something: hospitality. Spurs are already seeing massive income on their restaurants and bars - though with what they've spent on it it will take years for them to make a proper profit. I'm not saying we'd even get close to the figures in the article but this kind of profitability will definitely be something KP will be aiming for with an expansion. Completely agree that everything else should be the priority but after a few years of stability at the top, the expansion is seriously exciting.

It's not all about profit, it has improved their yearly cash flow as a club. The huge amount it added a year will really make a difference with their ability to make more and bigger transfers: they already have a schedule for debt payment per year, and it still is dwarfed by the money they make from it. So even though "profit" from the venture is nowhere in sight, it has significantly helped their hopes to solidify in the upper echelons of the table.

[Bayfox]

Profit isn't the issue turnover is, all these new deals mean we need regular european football and a good share of the TV money.

 

We had the same problem after we won the league, handing out huge pay rises etc, really impacted on the wages to turnover ratio, key to FFP. Although the exceptional circumstances in that case allowed a little more room for manoeuvre.

 

It's great to see us trying to tie down these players, but we know it is also an exercise in being able to comand maximum profit if any of them, do leave, the model of selling 1 player for huge money is not likely to change for us anytime soon. It's about making sure those succession plans are in place.

[st albans fox]

one of the spurs lot here reckons their increased commercial take isn't so huge …….. they're all hoping that enic are selling out 

[Meat and 2 veg]

On 10/12/2019 at 20:16, KingsX said:

Stadiums made “big clubs” back in the pre-Sky days.  Nowadays, sustained revenue makes big clubs.  Gates don’t add much to it, and debt-financed stadiums have been albatrosses.

 

Matchday revenue was under ₤13M in the latest LCFC accounts -- well under 10% of the total.  With an expansion that could be bumped what, another ₤10M?  And even that much, only with price increases and corporate niceties that don’t help average fans.  Stadium expansion returns nothing in terms of closing the gap to the Sky Six.

 

The one place where the Club can significantly grow revenue in the near future is broadcast/prize money.  But only if we get and stay near the top of the table -- because “bottom half” broadcasting revenue is going nowhere.  The coming decade’s increase -- overseas revenue -- will be distributed unequally to favor clubs in the upper places.  The “per place” difference in prize money is about to get many times bigger.  Not to mention the massive amounts that go to the clubs making the Champions League. 

 

And how do we stay near the top of the table?  Invest in the squad, the academy, the eggheads, and the training facility. 

 

OK, to allow fans who have been waiting to buy STs to see their team, invest moderately to expand a stand or two and bring the amenities up to date.

 

But to make LCFC a “big club”, invest in anything else.

 

 

What about when the ‘big 6’🤢 all join the super league and the premier league goes bust. Future proofing I’d call it 😊

[Dr The Singh]

We need to offer Amartey to be offered a long term deal, at least until 2030

[jayfox26]

22 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Maguire had the English supplement ..... we would get max 60m for Ricky P imo ....

Well then he ain't leaving then. Hes currently one of the best full backs in Europe so unless he kicks off and requests a move, I can't see us selling him. The Cancelo deal to Man City was meant to be worth around £60m with the money Juve got plus Danilo, and that was the highest fee ever for a full back apparently. So you're probably right, we wouldn't get much more than £60m. Hes arguably our most important player after Vardy. 

[Frost]

Just had a quick look at our current situation regarding player contracts and it brings up some interesting points.

 

We'll move on a few players next summer on decent wages but we'll most likely also let go of two legends with Morgan probably returning to Forest and Fuchs to the USA. On top of that, Slimani (circa 80k pw) and Gray (circa 50k pw) will be gone for sure. It'll free up some wages but obviously it's not the cheapest scenario as we'll have to sign replacements in some areas. You'd imagine another centre back & winger would be on the agenda irrespective of whether we keep Ünder beyond his initial loan.

 

2021:

Ünder (loan expires, but option to make permanent)

Gray (leave)

Evans (stay)

Slimani (leave)

Fuchs (leave)

Morgan (leave)

Jakupovic (stay)

 

2022:

Iheanacho (?)

Ward (?)

Albrighton (leave)

Amartey (leave)

 

Regarding 2022 expiries you'd think we'd have to tie down Iheanacho to a new deal to get any sort of decent fee for him in the future (or cash in early with 1yr left) and it will probably be the end of Albrighton and Amartey (if not sooner). Not sure if Ward will want to be a No.1 somewhere else by then - you'd assume he would but who knows.

 

As for 2023 we've got Tielemans, Söyüncü, Pereira, Kasper & Vardy who will be OOC. You'd imagine the club will be looking at renewing all of their contracts over the next twelve months (with the exception of JV who might've already signed his last deal).

 

I think on the whole the club has always managed contract renewals extremely well. When we've sold any key player over the last five years it's always been on our terms for the most part (Kante aside) and it's largely down to the length remaining on the players' contracts at the point of sale. Let's hope we tie Ricardo for a few more years as he's the player I feel could play for any team in the world.

 

[st albans fox]

27 minutes ago, Frost said:

Just had a quick look at our current situation regarding player contracts and it brings up some interesting points.

 

We'll move on a few players next summer on decent wages but we'll most likely also let go of two legends with Morgan probably returning to Forest and Fuchs to the USA. On top of that, Slimani (circa 80k pw) and Gray (circa 50k pw) will be gone for sure. It'll free up some wages but obviously it's not the cheapest scenario as we'll have to sign replacements in some areas. You'd imagine another centre back & winger would be on the agenda irrespective of whether we keep Ünder beyond his initial loan.

 

2021:

Ünder (loan expires, but option to make permanent)

Gray (leave)

Evans (stay)

Slimani (leave)

Fuchs (leave)

Morgan (leave)

Jakupovic (stay)

 

2022:

Iheanacho (?)

Ward (?)

Albrighton (leave)

Amartey (leave)

 

Regarding 2022 expiries you'd think we'd have to tie down Iheanacho to a new deal to get any sort of decent fee for him in the future (or cash in early with 1yr left) and it will probably be the end of Albrighton and Amartey (if not sooner). Not sure if Ward will want to be a No.1 somewhere else by then - you'd assume he would but who knows.

 

As for 2023 we've got Tielemans, Söyüncü, Pereira, Kasper & Vardy who will be OOC. You'd imagine the club will be looking at renewing all of their contracts over the next twelve months (with the exception of JV who might've already signed his last deal).

 

I think on the whole the club has always managed contract renewals extremely well. When we've sold any key player over the last five years it's always been on our terms for the most part (Kante aside) and it's largely down to the length remaining on the players' contracts at the point of sale. Let's hope we tie Ricardo for a few more years as he's the player I feel could play for any team in the world.

 

Next summer is massive for all those expiring 2023. Anyone who doesn’t sign one is v likely to leave by the beginning of the 2022/23 campaign (if not sooner) and the list includes several we won’t want to lose ......

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Next summer is massive for all those expiring 2023. Anyone who doesn’t sign one is v likely to leave by the beginning of the 2022/23 campaign (if not sooner) and the list includes several we won’t want to lose ......

Yes I'd be wanting to see Ricardo, Soyuncu, Tielemans and Iheanacho all on new deals ASAP

 

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Yes I'd be wanting to see Ricardo, Soyuncu, Tielemans and Iheanacho all on new deals ASAP

 

I have already seen rumours previously about a new contract for Soyuncu and also recently for Tielemans

 

Unfortunately I don't think I have seen anything anywhere about a new contract for Ricardo yet

 

Iheanacho I think could possibly be sold next summer if we look to go big for a new striker

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

I have already seen rumours previously about a new contract for Soyuncu and also recently for Tielemans

 

Unfortunately I don't think I have seen anything anywhere about a new contract for Ricardo yet

 

Iheanacho I think could possibly be sold next summer if we look to go big for a new striker

Our best chance of a new deal for Ricardo is whilst there's some question marks over his fitness.