TMELcfc Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 Juve fans love Demiral, same cannot be said about Rugani... not for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffschlupp Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 1 minute ago, lcfceaves said: Juve fans love Demiral, same cannot be said about Rugani... not for me Another report says Demiral would set someone back €40m (£35m). Add in the fact that Demiral is back in the first team picture there ahead of De Ligt, and I think Rugani is much more realistic. I get the feeling the club liked what they did with Tielemans last year and the loan-to-buy in January idea is a useful one. If he's successful, then pay the £17m and you have your 3 top CBs plus hopefully Benkovic for next season. If not, you don't pay a penny and can go for someone else. Demiral would surely be a buy now deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 (edited) Rugani is seen as the Mustafi of Serie A (shocking player at a big club). Genuinely do not want him here. Playing alongside Chielini and Bonucci etc was his excuse when he was 21, he's 25 now and hasn't improved. Edited 2 January 2020 by AKCJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 Trust our scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMELcfc Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 10 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said: Another report says Demiral would set someone back €40m (£35m). Add in the fact that Demiral is back in the first team picture there ahead of De Ligt, and I think Rugani is much more realistic. I get the feeling the club liked what they did with Tielemans last year and the loan-to-buy in January idea is a useful one. If he's successful, then pay the £17m and you have your 3 top CBs plus hopefully Benkovic for next season. If not, you don't pay a penny and can go for someone else. Demiral would surely be a buy now deal. I do not doubt for a second we have no chance of getting Demiral, I just don’t think it would be wise to sign their 5th choice centre back because he’s cheap and from Juventus... would you take utd’s 5th choice centre back on the cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffschlupp Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 7 minutes ago, lcfceaves said: I do not doubt for a second we have no chance of getting Demiral, I just don’t think it would be wise to sign their 5th choice centre back because he’s cheap and from Juventus... would you take utd’s 5th choice centre back on the cheap? Would you have took Tielemans who was one of Ligue 1's biggest flops and frozen out by Leonardo Jardim? I would have took Smalling in the summer who was arguably their 7th choice (Maguire, Lindelof, Tuanzebe, Jones, Rojo, Bailly). He has looked quality in Serie A and even Gareth Southgate has gone to watch him for a chance of an England recall. We aren't anywhere near Juventus' level, particularly at the back. Any player that's played in a top team 60-70 times must be decent on the ball, fairly solid defensively etc. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 2 January 2020 Author Share Posted 2 January 2020 1 hour ago, jeffschlupp said: Can't find the original report but Sky Italia saying us and Arsenal lead Milan for him: https://app.football-italia.net/?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.football-italia.net%2F148191%2Fleicester-lead-rugani-chase#article/footballitalia-148191 Will cost €20-25m (roughly £17-21m) which is about what we paid for Praet. Seems that's the going rate these days for half decent cover and squad depth. Juve fans aren't that keen on him but he's 25, Italy international, played in an outstanding defence, learned from Chiellini, Bonucci etc., 6 ft 3, never had an injury lay-off longer than 4 weeks. Loan with option to buy for €20m would be very decent business IMO. If the journo’s name was Roberto Dorsetti we can probably ignore it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 1 hour ago, lcfceaves said: Juve fans love Demiral, same cannot be said about Rugani... not for me Always take note of what the locals say .... not for me either ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffschlupp Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 26 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Always take note of what the locals say .... not for me either ..... Not necessarily saying Rugani is the same but the locals weren't keen on Tielemans, Evans or Schmeichel, and arguably Huth, Fuchs and Albrighton... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: Rugani is seen as the Mustafi of Serie A (shocking player at a big club). Genuinely do not want him here. Playing alongside Chielini and Bonucci etc was his excuse when he was 21, he's 25 now and hasn't improved. That actually sounds exactly like the textbook outline of a Congerton transfer before he came here. Jan Kirschoff to the letter (currently in the German third tier at 29, ****inghell lol) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcbluearmy Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 Honestly if the scouting team think he is good enough then I trust them and if there is a loan to buy option as has been reported what is there too lose. At worst he comes here doesn’t play well we don’t play him again but If he turns out good then we have got a hood player relatively cheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastik Man Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Finnegan said: That actually sounds exactly like the textbook outline of a Congerton transfer before he came here. Jan Kirschoff to the letter (currently in the German third tier at 29, ****inghell lol) The Congerton factor is my fear! Reading the reports I wouldn't be at all surprised if we really are interested in Demiral, but it seems much more likely Juve want rid of Rugani and are pushing that deal. We should keep to our formula, tweaked because we've now moved up a level. But just because Juve are offering Rugani we should not accept. Loan at worst, I guess, no commitment to purchase. Edited 2 January 2020 by Plastik Man I missed out Juve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcdotell Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 Maybe a loan till the end of the season wouldn’t be the worst idea? I know Juve fans want him gone but I wouldn’t be bothered if he came in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 6 minutes ago, lcfcdotell said: Maybe a loan till the end of the season wouldn’t be the worst idea? I know Juve fans want him gone but I wouldn’t be bothered if he came in He's not getting in ahead of Cags or Evans initially so what's the point of a loan? Lowers our risk but not sure we will see him play enough. Unless 3 at the back is here to stay.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcbluearmy Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 23 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said: He's not getting in ahead of Cags or Evans initially so what's the point of a loan? Lowers our risk but not sure we will see him play enough. Unless 3 at the back is here to stay.... I think the three at the back is what Rodgers has always wanted to do but he haven’t been sure he had the players for it as if I’m remembering correctly he played 3 at the back in one of his first games here I think it was the one against Watford that we lost? But I think the plan has always been to get a three at the back working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastik Man Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 36 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said: He's not getting in ahead of Cags or Evans initially so what's the point of a loan? Lowers our risk but not sure we will see him play enough. Unless 3 at the back is here to stay.... Because at this time we need more (quality) depth at CB (and it seems Benkovic is judged not ready at present) but avoids an expensive mistake if, as suspected, he turns out to be shite! Far more choice in the summer window. 9 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said: I think the three at the back is what Rodgers has always wanted to do but he haven’t been sure he had the players for it as if I’m remembering correctly he played 3 at the back in one of his first games here I think it was the one against Watford that we lost? But I think the plan has always been to get a three at the back working Yes, first match, away at Watford. For me it makes some sense in that we solve the problem of our wide attackers not scoring enough, allowing us to play a second striker where we have more options - Perez, Iheanacho, Barnes, Maddison. Saves us buying an expensive elite wide man, we don't seem to have been linked with many recently. Also it's ideal for our 2 full backs who are pacey and like to get forward. They can hold those wide positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCFC hub Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 Back 3 is perfect for our squad. Allows Perez to be more central where he's better. Less emphasis on full backs to defend as much therefore playing to their strengths and we don't need to buy a top class winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 1 hour ago, jeffschlupp said: Not necessarily saying Rugani is the same but the locals weren't keen on Tielemans, Evans or Schmeichel, and arguably Huth, Fuchs and Albrighton... That’s simply not true about any of them to be honest. With youri the fans were frustrated with him but knew he had the potential to be great. The last few times fans have been pretty much bang on when they’ve told us the issues with players. Musa being the best example I’ve ever seen. They all perfectly described him but we were fooled by the Barcelona game into thinking they must have been wrong. Ocassionally players are out of favour with certain managers but still end up good. But the fans are usually bang on the money and they only won’t be when the level of the club they are moving to is a huge drop. We are second in a stronger league, unfortunately if the juve fans are laughing at us this won’t end well at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enmac Posted 2 January 2020 Share Posted 2 January 2020 Serie A team of the year for 2014-15: Position Player Club Appearance GK Gianluigi Buffon Juventus 3 DF Matteo Darmian Torino 2 DF Leonardo Bonucci Juventus 1 DF Daniele Rugani Empoli 1 DF Giorgio Chiellini Juventus 2 MF Radja Nainggolan Roma 1 MF Andrea Pirlo Juventus 4 MF Paul Pogba Juventus 2 FW Mauro Icardi Internazionale 1 FW Luca Toni Hellas Verona 1 FW Carlos Tevez Juventus 2 He's in very good good company here, playing for a smallish team. Never seen him play, but for 20 m, seems a no-brainer for a back up CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jeffschlupp Posted 2 January 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 2 January 2020 1 hour ago, Lambert09 said: That’s simply not true about any of them to be honest. With youri the fans were frustrated with him but knew he had the potential to be great. The last few times fans have been pretty much bang on when they’ve told us the issues with players. Musa being the best example I’ve ever seen. They all perfectly described him but we were fooled by the Barcelona game into thinking they must have been wrong. Ocassionally players are out of favour with certain managers but still end up good. But the fans are usually bang on the money and they only won’t be when the level of the club they are moving to is a huge drop. We are second in a stronger league, unfortunately if the juve fans are laughing at us this won’t end well at all. Nonsense. I read loads of the Monaco forums and they thought it was beyond hilarious we were prepared to pay £40m for Tielemans. Read the replies to John ercy's tweet that said we had activated Evans' clause, WBA fans were slagging him off not just for the taxi incident. And I heard many Leeds fans say Kasper was bang average and/or overrated. Huth - injury prone, getting on a bit, big wages Fuchs - past it, slow, would be a problem in the PL. Albrighton - probably not good enough for Villa 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 3 January 2020 Share Posted 3 January 2020 9 hours ago, jeffschlupp said: Nonsense. I read loads of the Monaco forums and they thought it was beyond hilarious we were prepared to pay £40m for Tielemans. Read the replies to John ercy's tweet that said we had activated Evans' clause, WBA fans were slagging him off not just for the taxi incident. And I heard many Leeds fans say Kasper was bang average and/or overrated. Huth - injury prone, getting on a bit, big wages Fuchs - past it, slow, would be a problem in the PL. Albrighton - probably not good enough for Villa You can't take a fans view on players, because it is how they fit into your plans and squad; we have proved that many times over. I trust our scouting network that has worked very well of late, more than some random guy on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 3 January 2020 Share Posted 3 January 2020 20 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said: You can't take a fans view on players, because it is how they fit into your plans and squad; we have proved that many times over. I trust our scouting network that has worked very well of late, more than some random guy on twitter. it depends on how well you know the forum you’re reading .....it’s tough, especially in a foreign language ! Our scouting network has made quite a few errors in addition to the obvious successes ....I would prefer our targets to be linked to other big European clubs ......funnily enough, my kids are often a pretty good guide from their FIFA stats! They say we should take him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 3 January 2020 Share Posted 3 January 2020 14 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: If the journo’s name was Roberto Dorsetti we can probably ignore it. Yep- his sauces are usually a load of old bolognese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted 3 January 2020 Share Posted 3 January 2020 Don't know if many people remember we were loosely linked with Dante a few years back from Bayern Munich. The majority of reactions back then were to get him in, class act etc etc etc Most overlooked the fact that he was shite purely because he was Brazilian and playing for Bayern Munich. I said at the time that he would be a disastrous signing if the rumours were at all true. Seemed daft that we were being linked with a Bayern Munich player and I didn't want him, but he truly wasn't, and still isn't up to the standard required This link kinda reminds me of that. Linked with a player from Juve, must be decent??? I just have this niggling feeling that he would be a very bad signing. Just because you play for Juve doesn't make you a good player. I really hope we adopt a Nigel Pearson approach to signing players over the next couple of transfer windows, if they don't improve the 1st 11 then there's no point in chasing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 3 January 2020 Share Posted 3 January 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, jeffschlupp said: Nonsense. I read loads of the Monaco forums and they thought it was beyond hilarious we were prepared to pay £40m for Tielemans. Read the replies to John ercy's tweet that said we had activated Evans' clause, WBA fans were slagging him off not just for the taxi incident. And I heard many Leeds fans say Kasper was bang average and/or overrated. Huth - injury prone, getting on a bit, big wages Fuchs - past it, slow, would be a problem in the PL. Albrighton - probably not good enough for Villa I mean you can always find a few. But the general consensus ive seen hasn’t been like that. Every villa fan I knew was upset about MA not getting a proper chance there. Stoke fans had always thought huth was solid but just didn’t fit the new way they wanted to play. Kasper leaving pissed more Leeds fans off than were happy for him to leave. It’s classic Leeds to claim a players shit when they leave though. Im not saying trust every random person tweeting. But when 90% of a fan base says it’s a bad move then it probably is. Edited 3 January 2020 by Lambert09 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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