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Derby in Financial meltdown

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On 03/01/2020 at 18:43, Leicesterpool said:

Don't think there choice of manager's over the years has helped either, nearly every season since Nigel Clough left they had different manager at the elm. New manager's come in they want a good contract plus a bit of budget to spend! It's hard to believe any club actually spent money to hire Steve McClaren not once but twice. 

Yes agree. Their manager is Cocu from Holland, so maybe they have caught a disease from him. :ph34r:

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Sly

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6 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said:

If you thought bury were the biggest club to fall then derby would be the biggest English club to ever go under. Seen it in Scotland with rangers, so anything is possible. Once again efl been little help.

Maybe Wimbledon? 

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22 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

I've not really paid much attention to the finer details of Derby's demise but how have they got to this situation? 

Basically they have over spent in the past on chasing the dream to get back to the big time and cause they have failed its come back to haunt them. Another case of poor ownership whose basically gambled the club.

 

One thing I never get was in 2009 a year after club were relegated from the top flight. The club found themselves now at wrong of the championship with ageing squad with high wages. Clough jr had to come in and was given a tough task to reduce the wage bill and bring in some young players and also keep the club in the championship. In time clough managed to reduce the wage bill and get rid some of the older players at the squad. Build a young team that were regularly finishing mid table. Then the build started to feel they should be doing better and decided to sack clough and bring in McClaren who pretty much brought in a new squad spending quite a bit of money to get back to the top flight. So pretty much they get out of mess and put themselves back in.

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1 hour ago, Sly said:

Maybe Wimbledon? 

Wasn't their ultimate demise because they had no home and were bought and moved to Milton Keynes and couldn't get the fans to follow.

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31 minutes ago, davieG said:

Wasn't their ultimate demise because they had no home and were bought and moved to Milton Keynes and couldn't get the fans to follow.

This seems to ring a bell actually. 

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I would be v surprised if derby go under

 

everyone is playing a game of poker at the moment - the cost of taking them out of admin is complicated by the borough/ Wycombe compensation. 
 

at some point those owed money will have to take what’s on offer or risk getting nothing - that should concentrate the mind although with a number of parties needing to accept, there is always a risk that they could go bust ‘by mistake’. 

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Wycombe fan here. Unfortunately Derby and their fans, in their desperation for a scapegoat outside of the club, are blaming their potential demise on Middlesbrough and Wycombe because of the claims, and the story is getting out there that we are trying to force them to the wall. This is utter nonsense - from a Wycombe perspective, none of us want to see them go under, and I have seen much the same thing on the Middlesbrough forum.

 

That being said, to call our claim "illegal" and "spurious" continues a vein of disrespect and delusion their fans have persisted with for some time. The reality is that we were relegated by a solitary point to League One last season. Their former owner, Mel Morris, later admitted to obstruction and delay tactics with the penalty for their cheating, as he knew they would deducted points in season otherwise. Our owner has quite reasonably claimed for 6 million pounds in lost solidarity payments and TV money (not including the massive gate increases we would have seen, as these cannot be quantified). This is a drop in the ocean compared to how much money their overall issues deal with, and I am pretty certain we would settle for a lower amount too. However, we are instead being cast as the villain of the piece, even being called "ambulance chasers".

 

As a lower league club, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. Despite (inaccurate) reports of our new owner being ridiculously rich, he is not some billionaire, and is trying to run us sustainably - every penny still counts, as it does for much of L1 and L2. We have been cheated out of a place in the Championship, but are evidently supposed to doff our caps and say we know our place. We are supposed to join in with the crocodile tears of poor Derby who got found out for their financial doping.

 

Derby will never know what they cheated us out of. We are having a good season and may go up again, but equally, we may never go up again, as we are a small club punching way above our weight. No fans were allowed for our Championship season, and we have already (as a matter of course) had several fans pass away this season for various reasons, who will never see us play live in the second tier.

 

I really hope Derby continue to exist. It is hard for me to want them to stay up in the second tier, but as long as we join them there, so be it. However, the fact they are deflecting their own misdeeds onto us, and dragging us through mud of their own making, is ridiculous.

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Just now, boots60 said:

It all started when they sold Phil Gee to us.

 

Downhill ever since.

I think you'll find it was Ormondroyd they've never been able to achieve that height since.

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Has a feeling of inevitably that they go under right now, apparently need around £7m by 1st of Feb just to get to the end of the season, which even with selling players might not be as achievable as you’d think. 

 

Feel for the fans to be honest, think a lot of them have been a bit delusional about the whole situation for a long time but they don’t deserve to see their club go under. 

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14 hours ago, Shev said:

Wycombe fan here. Unfortunately Derby and their fans, in their desperation for a scapegoat outside of the club, are blaming their potential demise on Middlesbrough and Wycombe because of the claims, and the story is getting out there that we are trying to force them to the wall. This is utter nonsense - from a Wycombe perspective, none of us want to see them go under, and I have seen much the same thing on the Middlesbrough forum.

 

That being said, to call our claim "illegal" and "spurious" continues a vein of disrespect and delusion their fans have persisted with for some time. The reality is that we were relegated by a solitary point to League One last season. Their former owner, Mel Morris, later admitted to obstruction and delay tactics with the penalty for their cheating, as he knew they would deducted points in season otherwise. Our owner has quite reasonably claimed for 6 million pounds in lost solidarity payments and TV money (not including the massive gate increases we would have seen, as these cannot be quantified). This is a drop in the ocean compared to how much money their overall issues deal with, and I am pretty certain we would settle for a lower amount too. However, we are instead being cast as the villain of the piece, even being called "ambulance chasers".

 

As a lower league club, you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. Despite (inaccurate) reports of our new owner being ridiculously rich, he is not some billionaire, and is trying to run us sustainably - every penny still counts, as it does for much of L1 and L2. We have been cheated out of a place in the Championship, but are evidently supposed to doff our caps and say we know our place. We are supposed to join in with the crocodile tears of poor Derby who got found out for their financial doping.

 

Derby will never know what they cheated us out of. We are having a good season and may go up again, but equally, we may never go up again, as we are a small club punching way above our weight. No fans were allowed for our Championship season, and we have already (as a matter of course) had several fans pass away this season for various reasons, who will never see us play live in the second tier.

 

I really hope Derby continue to exist. It is hard for me to want them to stay up in the second tier, but as long as we join them there, so be it. However, the fact they are deflecting their own misdeeds onto us, and dragging us through mud of their own making, is ridiculous.

I think you have more of a case than Middlesbrough tbh - who I presume think they would have got promoted via the play-offs if Derby hadn't pipped them to the final spot.

 

But anyone close to them could say that and well Boro would still have to had beaten 2 other teams to win promotion. 

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14 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

When are the fans going to get active?

This.

 

Am surprised that there's been no form of protest or GoFundMe/other fundraising activity done by some Derby fans.

 

If Leicester were in this situation, am sure we would've done something to get the fans' voice across etc. (see the administration period where many bucket collectors were seen outside the stadium on a match day within that then-precarious period).

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9 hours ago, Wymsey said:

This.

 

Am surprised that there's been no form of protest or GoFundMe/other fundraising activity done by some Derby fans.

 

If Leicester were in this situation, am sure we would've done something to get the fans' voice across etc. (see the administration period where many bucket collectors were seen outside the stadium on a match day within that then-precarious period).

Too busy blaming other clubs

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