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Who do you want Summer 2020

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lcfcben76

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Why the hype with Ryan Fraser? One year where he had decent numbers and everyone seems to think he’s a top player? 

 

One goal this season and often starting on the bench for a way below par Bournemouth side. 100k a week? Seems greedy to me rather than a bargain.

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Deeg67

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1 hour ago, lcfcben76 said:

Why the hype with Ryan Fraser? One year where he had decent numbers and everyone seems to think he’s a top player? 

 

 

I don't think there's that much hype.  It's more the appeal of a true winger with some proven ability to score being available on a free.  I'm not sure he'd be anybody's first choice but it's not hard to see the appeal.

lcfcben76

lcfcben76

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37 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Fraser had one fantastic season where he was arguably the best winger outside the Top 6, but that has been IT. No reason at all to sign him for 100k a week. Been mediocre all this season.

Exactly this, if you go on Bournemouth’s tweet about it, a few of their fans are saying he’ll be a good riddance because he’s not been up to it this season

Nicolo Barella

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5 minutes ago, lcfcben76 said:

Exactly this, if you go on Bournemouth’s tweet about it, a few of their fans are saying he’ll be a good riddance because he’s not been up to it this season

Very Arsenal signing, he'll probably move there, or replace Shaqiri for Liverpool.

Scotch

Scotch

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1 hour ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Fraser had one fantastic season where he was arguably the best winger outside the Top 6, but that has been IT. No reason at all to sign him for 100k a week. Been mediocre all this season.

On the face of it he's been mediocre but if you actually look deeper into it, has he really been that poor? 

 

Comparing him to Harvey Barnes for example (simply because we can all agree he is currently our best winger)

 

Harvey has scored 5 more goals but admittedly has had almost twice the number of big chances than Fraser has had (22 to 12).

 

Harvey only has two more assists (6 to 4) but Fraser has 10 more key passes (15 to 5) and 8 more chances created (19 to 11). 

 

Defensively fraser has made 2 blocks, 45 tackles and 43 interceptions compared to barnes' 3 blocks 33 tackles and 31 interceptions. 

 

So yes, it's hard to argue that Barnes hasn't had the better season but it's not exactly been massively better than Fraser' who by listening to folk on hear would have you believe he's been poor. If you then factor in that Barnes has been playing for a much better side....

 

No way is he worth 100k a week but he IS a better winger than 3 out of the 4 options we have at the club right now and would definately be worth picking up if the numbers were right. 

Ric Flair

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10 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

On the face of it he's been mediocre but if you actually look deeper into it, has he really been that poor? 

 

Comparing him to Harvey Barnes for example (simply because we can all agree he is currently our best winger)

 

Harvey has scored 5 more goals but admittedly has had almost twice the number of big chances than Fraser has had (22 to 12).

 

Harvey only has two more assists (6 to 4) but Fraser has 10 more key passes (15 to 5) and 8 more chances created (19 to 11). 

 

Defensively fraser has made 2 blocks, 45 tackles and 43 interceptions compared to barnes' 3 blocks 33 tackles and 31 interceptions. 

 

So yes, it's hard to argue that Barnes hasn't had the better season but it's not exactly been massively better than Fraser' who by listening to folk on hear would have you believe he's been poor. If you then factor in that Barnes has been playing for a much better side....

 

No way is he worth 100k a week but he IS a better winger than 3 out of the 4 options we have at the club right now and would definately be worth picking up if the numbers were right. 

I think its fair to say Barnes was quite ordinary in 2019 but in 2020 has been our standout player. If he continues where he left off we could see him near 10 goals and 10 assists for the season which will be pretty damn impressive.

 

I'd take Fraser on a free but not for 100 bags a week, the little scrote.

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Nick

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9 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

On the face of it he's been mediocre but if you actually look deeper into it, has he really been that poor? 

 

Comparing him to Harvey Barnes for example (simply because we can all agree he is currently our best winger)

 

Harvey has scored 5 more goals but admittedly has had almost twice the number of big chances than Fraser has had (22 to 12).

 

Harvey only has two more assists (6 to 4) but Fraser has 10 more key passes (15 to 5) and 8 more chances created (19 to 11). 

 

Defensively fraser has made 2 blocks, 45 tackles and 43 interceptions compared to barnes' 3 blocks 33 tackles and 31 interceptions. 

 

So yes, it's hard to argue that Barnes hasn't had the better season but it's not exactly been massively better than Fraser' who by listening to folk on hear would have you believe he's been poor. If you then factor in that Barnes has been playing for a much better side....

 

No way is he worth 100k a week but he IS a better winger than 3 out of the 4 options we have at the club right now and would definately be worth picking up if the numbers were right. 

If Barnes is our first choice on the left and we intend to give him games and develop him the Frazer on the left I doubt will happen. We need a first choice right sided winger then we would have Albrighton and Pérez as squad backup...

 

On a free even at 100k a week Fraser is a bargain but wouldn’t come to be a squad player. His refusal to sign to play the remaining games says to me says he’s hooked up already with a club and he knows where he’s going. 

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Nicolo Barella

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17 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

On the face of it he's been mediocre but if you actually look deeper into it, has he really been that poor? 

 

Comparing him to Harvey Barnes for example (simply because we can all agree he is currently our best winger)

 

Harvey has scored 5 more goals but admittedly has had almost twice the number of big chances than Fraser has had (22 to 12).

 

Harvey only has two more assists (6 to 4) but Fraser has 10 more key passes (15 to 5) and 8 more chances created (19 to 11). 

 

Defensively fraser has made 2 blocks, 45 tackles and 43 interceptions compared to barnes' 3 blocks 33 tackles and 31 interceptions. 

 

So yes, it's hard to argue that Barnes hasn't had the better season but it's not exactly been massively better than Fraser' who by listening to folk on hear would have you believe he's been poor. If you then factor in that Barnes has been playing for a much better side....

 

No way is he worth 100k a week but he IS a better winger than 3 out of the 4 options we have at the club right now and would definately be worth picking up if the numbers were right. 

He would be fine for depth but would just be too expensive to justify signing him. And before someone says that he's on a free, free transfers can get very expensive. Ramsey cost Juventus something like €60 million for 4 years. Bernard has technically been Everton's "record signing", based purely on the money they've spent on him. I don't expect Fraser would get that bad, but I'd still rather sign someone younger with potential to grow like Eze and sit him on 20-40k a week to begin with.

Ric Flair

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5 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Speaking of Everton, is the one at Gremio a left footed right winger?

Right footed left winger I'm afraid

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Scotch

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20 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

If Barnes is our first choice on the left and we intend to give him games and develop him the Frazer on the left I doubt will happen. We need a first choice right sided winger then we would have Albrighton and Pérez as squad backup...

 

On a free even at 100k a week Fraser is a bargain but wouldn’t come to be a squad player. His refusal to sign to play the remaining games says to me says he’s hooked up already with a club and he knows where he’s going. 

Fair comment 

 

13 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

He would be fine for depth but would just be too expensive to justify signing him. And before someone says that he's on a free, free transfers can get very expensive. Ramsey cost Juventus something like €60 million for 4 years. Bernard has technically been Everton's "record signing", based purely on the money they've spent on him. I don't expect Fraser would get that bad, but I'd still rather sign someone younger with potential to grow like Eze and sit him on 20-40k a week to begin with.

Absolutely agree with this. Ofcourse I would prefer someone like Saka, I was just pointing out that Frasers worst season in the PL for Bournmouth hasn't actually been that bad. I still think he's worth signing if you can talk him down from the 100k ledge and I would much rather he started RW than Perez who I like but he is simply not a wide player. 

1972 Fox

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5 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

****ing £100k a week for Ryan Fraser. Do me a favour. That's outrageous.

In 100% agreement with you on this. No way we should or would give him a,£100k a week contract.

 

He's not an outstanding player and we should stay well clear IMO.

AjcW

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1 hour ago, lcfc sheff said:

Interesting that Saka hasn’t played right mid as of yet... I’d take a chance on him tbh 

He's probably one of Arsenals top rated prospects, insanely versatile and probably squeeze into next years Euro squad. They wouldn't let him leave in a million years, and if they did it would be for a small fortune!

lcfc sheff

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12 minutes ago, AjcW said:

He's probably one of Arsenals top rated prospects, insanely versatile and probably squeeze into next years Euro squad. They wouldn't let him leave in a million years, and if they did it would be for a small fortune!

Edit: ignore me I’m thick as pig shit 

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Ric Flair

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9 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said:

Jesus Christ I’ve had a mare, for some reason I had in my head he could leave on a free this summer!

Haha think it might be because there were loads of reports he could leave as he hasn't long on his contract, I thought the same initially. 

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Lambert09

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Id be disappointed if we signed any player that's refusing to play for their club right now.  Not an attitude I want around the club. 

 

So glad we have good eggs in the squad, Mendy could have easily acted like these divs, I hope he gets a great move out of it. 

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ALC Fox

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I wonder if Zaha's price will drop significantly after last summer and if we'd take a chance on him? He would probably still cost a bomb and be a hell of a risk.

 

Looking at Jermaine Jenas' article on the BBC today, though, I just think he's a bit restrained at Palace which is reflected in his stats. In a team like ours where we'd have more potent threats, I think he'd thrive and have more chance to produce.

 

He's another highly unlikely one, though, admittedly.

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jonthefox

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5 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

I wonder if Zaha's price will drop significantly after last summer and if we'd take a chance on him? He would probably still cost a bomb and be a hell of a risk.

 

Looking at Jermaine Jenas' article on the BBC today, though, I just think he's a bit restrained at Palace which is reflected in his stats. In a team like ours where we'd have more potent threats, I think he'd thrive and have more chance to produce.

 

He's another highly unlikely one, though, admittedly.

It would be nice and a real statement of intent. I just can't see any major transfers in the summer .

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