Coronavirus Thread

[Dahnsouff]

Think people are right to be concerned about longer term effects, this cannot be studied or perhaps not even realistically theorised about at this point.
Sister-in-law had it two months ago, and although she is recovered, she also says she feels “not quite right”. For someone who was fit and active, she is now complaining of a certain sluggedness.

 

[Nod.E]

1 minute ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think people are right to be concerned about longer term effects, this cannot be studied or perhaps not even realistically theorised about at this point.
Sister-in-law had it two months ago, and although she is recovered, she also says she feels “not quite right”. For someone who was fit and active, she is now complaining of a certain sluggedness.

 

Difficult to verify that, though.

 

It's always going to be in the back of your mind, so could be confirmation bias.

 

Also could just be a side effect of being out of routine/in the house more. That can cause you to feel sluggish at the best of times.

 

Not dismissing it as a theory, just think we need to be careful about the level of certainty we place on the theory based on anecdotal cases of 'not feeling quite right'. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Nod.E said:

Difficult to verify that, though.

 

It's always going to be in the back of your mind, so could be confirmation bias.

 

Also could just be a side effect of being out of routine/in the house more. That can cause you to feel sluggish at the best of times.

 

Not dismissing it as a theory, just think we need to be careful about the level of certainty we place on the theory based on anecdotal cases of 'not feeling quite right'. 

Oh for sure, not disputing that at all. Sure a lot of people who have had an enforced routine change feel a little out of sorts, just the facts of its longer term effects cannot be known for some time is something we should be wary of, and should encourage people to consider the situation unresolved for some time.

[FoxesDeb]

6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Oh for sure, not disputing that at all. Sure a lot of people who have had an enforced routine change feel a little out of sorts, just the facts of its longer term effects cannot be known for some time is something we should be wary of, and should encourage people to consider the situation unresolved for some time.

The studies have followed sufferers of SARS, another coronavirus, and scanned their lungs 15 years later. A third of them had scarring, so I think it's pretty safe to say that many people recovered from Covid 19 will have long term health implications. 

[fox_up_north]

My view on it has changed as more evidence has come out. Initially I did just see it as a serious cold for a bit. 
But as more and more has come out - particularly as someone who could stand to be more active and has been doing so over the last few weeks - I really wouldn't want to get it at this point and have become more annoyed by people not bothering to distance. 

It was said on this forum - can't remember who - but treat it like you would driving: recognise other people are idiots but do what you can to keep yourself safe and out of harm's way. I know not always possible but certainly something I'll be living by more. 

[Unabomber]

Currently watching contagion seems very similar to coronavirus. Should really have been more prepared if a ****ing film predicted it.

[Strokes]

28 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Think people are right to be concerned about longer term effects, this cannot be studied or perhaps not even realistically theorised about at this point.
Sister-in-law had it two months ago, and although she is recovered, she also says she feels “not quite right”. For someone who was fit and active, she is now complaining of a certain sluggedness.

 

Anti body tests are starting to become available now according to my wife, I think that’ll ease a few fears when we all know if we’ve had it or not.

[Strokes]

9 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Currently watching contagion seems very similar to coronavirus. Should really have been more prepared if a ****ing film predicted it.

Hopefully we’ll be better prepared when mars invade us tho....

[Unabomber]

Just now, Strokes said:

Hopefully we’ll be better prepared when mars invade us tho....

Hopefully. Also I think I saw apes will attack us at some point too so best get some team sorted to counter their attack. 

[Dahnsouff]

19 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

The studies have followed sufferers of SARS, another coronavirus, and scanned their lungs 15 years later. A third of them had scarring, so I think it's pretty safe to say that many people recovered from Covid 19 will have long term health implications. 

Interesting. Wonder if the long term effects differ based on age groups.

[Strokes]

3 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Hopefully. Also I think I saw apes will attack us at some point too so best get some team sorted to counter their attack. 

I know it probably sounds ungrateful but the sooner the avengers get here to protect the better, wtf are they pissing around at? 

[stix]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Funnily enough, we were discussing this earlier in my house. My wife was pointing out that two months on, she is still struggling with stamina (something she had plenty of before this).  My ability to sit down with my feet up seems unaffected .......

My wife’s been complaining about my stamina for years mate 🙄

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, FoxesDeb said:

The studies have followed sufferers of SARS, another coronavirus, and scanned their lungs 15 years later. A third of them had scarring, so I think it's pretty safe to say that many people recovered from Covid 19 will have long term health implications. 

SARS 1 was roughly ten times more deadly than SARS 2 though, so any long term effects are going to be in the minority fortunately. 

[Parafox]

There's going to be a plague of locusts in Africa apparently expected to be the biggest in decades which will strip their crops. So that's probably going to result in famine. So, I'm not a religious person but it seems we will have pestilence, plague (covid19) and famine. That's 3 out of 4 that the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse say will result in the end of the world. The 4th is fire and think about the massive bush fires in Australia and that's the set. Are we doomed?

[Lionator]

A good translated interview with Dr. Drosten from Germany.

 

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/virologist-christian-drosten-we-managed-to-stop-a-pandemic-wave-with-relatively-mild-measures-a-39a8ea77-ec87-4b34-9996-c94ff07c5659

 

Important two points as to why they did so much better than us:

 

DER SPIEGEL: Without you, would Germany have been worse prepared for the pandemic?

Drosten: Yes, of course. By mid-February, we had got university clinics to the point that they could perform diagnostic tests, and they frequently shared their knowledge and material with other labs. In mid-February, we in Germany were able to perform routine tests for SARS-CoV-2 at a time when hardly any other country could do so. Around the time of Carnival, we had our first positive test from someone who had not been travelling prior to infection. That was in the state of Baden-Württemberg. Nobody knew where he had become infected. At that point it was clear: The virus was already spreading unnoticed in Germany.

DER SPIEGEL: Wouldn't that have become obvious at some point anyway?

Drosten: Yes, but only a month later when the dead started piling up as they did in Italy, Spain and Britain. That's how long it takes from infection to death in the intensive care unit. And we - and by that, I mean, my laboratory – managed to use that month to give Germany a head start. That is why we find ourselves in such a good position today. If we hadn't been able to perform tests so early, if we scientists had not informed the politicians, then I think that we in Germany would have seen 50,000 to 100,000 more fatalities.

[FoxesDeb]

26 minutes ago, Lionator said:

SARS 1 was roughly ten times more deadly than SARS 2 though, so any long term effects are going to be in the minority fortunately. 

How does that translate to the numbers of CV victims worldwide? 

[Lionator]

14 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

How does that translate to the numbers of CV victims worldwide? 

Not too sure as SARS 1 only killed 800 people. It'll probably depend on underlying health conditions too but I'd be very surprised in 1 in 3 cases led to permanent damage. Perhaps 1 in 3 serious cases which require hospitalisation though.

[FoxesDeb]

33 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Not too sure as SARS 1 only killed 800 people. It'll probably depend on underlying health conditions too but I'd be very surprised in 1 in 3 cases led to permanent damage. Perhaps 1 in 3 serious cases which require hospitalisation though.

From what I've read the long term damage is not dependent on the severity of the symptoms experienced

[Guest Markyblue]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

There's going to be a plague of locusts in Africa apparently expected to be the biggest in decades which will strip their crops. So that's probably going to result in famine. So, I'm not a religious person but it seems we will have pestilence, plague (covid19) and famine. That's 3 out of 4 that the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse say will result in the end of the world. The 4th is fire and think about the massive bush fires in Australia and that's the set. Are we doomed?

No were going to win the fa cup.

[FoxesDeb]

People shielding are allowed outdoors from tomorrow, and to meet one person from another household with social distancing in place if they live alone 

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: People shielding in England allowed outdoors from Monday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52862440

Edited 31 May 2020 by FoxesDeb

[Nalis]

I know its not now but when do we start considering the death tolls due to the lockdown related issues (knock on effect from unemployment / domestic abuse / suicide, etc) vs death tolls resulting from the virus itself?

[StanSP]

18 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

People shielding are allowed outdoors from tomorrow, and to meet one person from another household with social distancing in place if they live alone 

 

BBC News - Coronavirus: People shielding in England allowed outdoors from Monday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52862440

I don't get this. I thought it was a 12-week period they had to shield and self-isolate for and that took them up to end of June. 

 

I saw an article last week as well that some people were sent a text to say they're allowed to 'unshield' but that their GPs weren't informed when they should have been. 

[Chocolate Teapot]

See Dr karol Shikora's tweets have stopped coming up.

 

See he has a history of being relentlessly positive and bending the truth if Google is to be believed. I assume he's after a place on sage or something.

[FoxesDeb]

42 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I don't get this. I thought it was a 12-week period they had to shield and self-isolate for and that took them up to end of June. 

 

I saw an article last week as well that some people were sent a text to say they're allowed to 'unshield' but that their GPs weren't informed when they should have been. 

Yes shielding was initially to the end of June, so far I can't see any explanation why that's now changed. Personally I'm not planning to do anything differently, but I suppose it's good news for those who choose to. 

 

I saw that too, I think those people had conditions that were no longer considered to put them at higher risk, but why their GP's weren't made aware who knows... The whole shielding thing has seemed to be a bit clunky tbh, but then I have no idea how difficult a situation it is to manage. I certainly don't envy the people trying to organise it! 

[StanSP]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

Yes shielding was initially to the end of June, so far I can't see any explanation why that's now changed. Personally I'm not planning to do anything differently, but I suppose it's good news for those who choose to. 

 

I saw that too, I think those people had conditions that were no longer considered to put them at higher risk, but why their GP's weren't made aware who knows... The whole shielding thing has seemed to be a bit clunky tbh, but then I have no idea how difficult a situation it is to manage. I certainly don't envy the people trying to organise it! 

One of the conditions was severe asthma though

 

A respiratory illness, severe one at that, not listed as high risk against a virus that attacks the respiratory system. 

 

Makes sense