Coronavirus Thread

[ealingfox]

38 minutes ago, String fellow said:

Will those who regard Andy Burnham as some kind of folk hero be so enthusiastic about his out his stance when the local death rate rockets up, as a direct result of his prevarication and resistance to the government's attempts to get his area to be moved up to Tier 3? Interestingly, the Mayor of Sheffield Dan Jarvis has realised that the lives of his citizens take priority over everything and will take his city into the higher tier without all of the nonsensical and antediluvian 'canaries down mines' rhetoric that we've witnessed from Burnham in recent days.

 

How do you know the South Yorkshire negotiations weren't made far smoother by what happened with Greater Manchester?

[StanSP]

 

 

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

Get your arse into the politics thread Stan. I come in here to read lockdown arguments not this nonsense!

[StanSP]

47 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Get your arse into the politics thread Stan. I come in here to read lockdown arguments not this nonsense!

It mentioned pandemic so it's allowed

[fox_up_north]

I live near Manchester (but don't fall under its lockdown rules) and work in the GM area.  There's real anger all over the place at how it's been handled. I think fair enough for Burnham for trying to get payment because it is about 3 million people. But I don't get why they don't just say full lockdown for the area/ north for 2 weeks. The 10pm curfew was a complete joke in practice. They should have had staggered closing times across the city. 

Though, I should mention, I haven't ventured to a pub in months. 

[filbertway]

Can anyone convince me why age related restrictions would be no good?

 

It's a shame people that are of a certain age arent taking the steps to protect themselves or getting the support.

 

I dont see why the world has to stop and peoples lives be significantly impacted when we know that the main group of people suffering most are the elderly.

[StanSP]

Oops. 

 

 

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

Can anyone convince me why age related restrictions would be no good?

 

It's a shame people that are of a certain age arent taking the steps to protect themselves or getting the support.

 

I dont see why the world has to stop and peoples lives be significantly impacted when we know that the main group of people suffering most are the elderly.

because the people that run the world who created the virus are old and elderly so its a big f u to the rest of us.

 

 

only jesting don't take my posts to serious now  

 

 

 

[fox_favourite]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

Can anyone convince me why age related restrictions would be no good?

 

It's a shame people that are of a certain age arent taking the steps to protect themselves or getting the support.

 

I dont see why the world has to stop and peoples lives be significantly impacted when we know that the main group of people suffering most are the elderly.

Mainly, yes. But anyone can be effected. People can be effected at any age and the effects can cause "long COVID" in people who are generally healthy. "people suffering the most are the elderly". What are you classing as elderly? 60, 70, 80? Also an elderly person might be your mum, dad, sister, brother, uncle, gran etc...it's about protecting everyone as no matter of who you are you have the right to live. 

[DennisNedry]

So is it established that life won't return to anything like normal until a vaccine is in use? Then it'll just be another flu we have to deal with every winter?

[Sampson]

Sounds like the person who died after being given the Oxford vaccine was only given the placebo. So the trails will continue as normal. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-54634518

[SystonFox]

South Yorkshire into tier 3. 
I work in Sheffield. In healthcare. Going to be even busier! Fantastique

[yorkie1999]

7 hours ago, filbertway said:

Can anyone convince me why age related restrictions would be no good?

 

It's a shame people that are of a certain age arent taking the steps to protect themselves or getting the support.

 

I dont see why the world has to stop and peoples lives be significantly impacted when we know that the main group of people suffering most are the elderly.

Say they opened the football tomorrow and allowed everyone back, what you’re are saying is , I’m sorry but all you elderly people aren’t allowed in for fear the rest of us give you the virus.. is that okay. How about the other way round, we’re elderly and at risk, so how about... you lot who are at less of a risk but more likely to be spreading it around because you’re carrying on as normal and are therefore more likely to be passing it round, stop coming to the football and putting us at risk. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8865663/ALEX-BRUMMER-terrifying-country-owes-2-TRILLION.html

 

Pocket change.

[yorkie1999]

4 hours ago, DennisNedry said:

So is it established that life won't return to anything like normal until a vaccine is in use? Then it'll just be another flu we have to deal with every winter?

Doubt it. I’m no expert in flu related deaths and the effects of flu but surely a vaccine is there to prevent the shear numbers of people contracting the virus and keeping it under some sort of control. I would have thought there will still be a lot of people dying from it in the future, vaccine or not.

[yorkie1999]

6 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8865663/ALEX-BRUMMER-terrifying-country-owes-2-TRILLION.html

 

Pocket change.

Crazy idea but, how about at the end of all this all the governments in the world just write it off. no one has really gained from it all have they?

[st albans fox]

the yanks recordeed their highest daily death toll since aug 25th and daily cases over 70 k ...... this wave has been coming although it could be more of a geographical blip rather than a national wave ......

[Bellend Sebastian]

While I'm sympathetic to current students in as much as they certainly aren't having the university experience they expected or hoped for, the state of these:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54631524

 

They're not even the first students in LENTON to be hit with the biggest fine

[foxile5]

20 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

While I'm sympathetic to current students in as much as they certainly aren't having the university experience they expected or hoped for, the state of these:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54631524

 

They're not even the first students in LENTON to be hit with the biggest fine

They're third years

They shouldn't be having the time of their lives, as they put it, they should be ****ing stressed and focusing on word count limits and the like.

[Bellend Sebastian]

9 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

They're third years

They shouldn't be having the time of their lives, as they put it, they should be ****ing stressed and focusing on word count limits and the like.

Or shutting themselves in their room, only venturing out to buy the latest Britpop hits on CD like I did

[Bellend Sebastian]

I tell you what's the worst thing about the pandemic I've come across so far - they don't clean your car when you get it serviced anymore

[StriderHiryu]

38 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

They're third years

They shouldn't be having the time of their lives, as they put it, they should be ****ing stressed and focusing on word count limits and the like.

Agreed. Uni was a fun experience but the third year should be tough! Putting together your dissertation and preparing for possibly the last set of exams you’ll take in your life before you head out into the big wide world. If first years had done that it would still be moronic but would be more understandable. These idiots deserve their fines and if they were expelled from their University could have no complaints given they literally lied to the Police and got caught. Best way to learn the all important life lesson of “consequences.”

[Sampson]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

the yanks recordeed their highest daily death toll since aug 25th and daily cases over 70 k ...... this wave has been coming although it could be more of a geographical blip rather than a national wave ......

 

The US one I'd kind of like a single wave going across different states really though.

 

The concerning thing is that the cases on New Jersey and New York are going up again. Given they have the highest deaths per person in the world (nearly 3x ours fir example), you'd have thought they'd have reached herd immunity as everyone would have been infected by now. Hopefully cases don't last for long and it's just a few lingering cases.

 

New Jersey has already had 0.1843% of its population die, if that starts going up again it could be approaching the full case fatality rate.

[filbertway]

14 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

Mainly, yes. But anyone can be effected. People can be effected at any age and the effects can cause "long COVID" in people who are generally healthy. "people suffering the most are the elderly". What are you classing as elderly? 60, 70, 80? Also an elderly person might be your mum, dad, sister, brother, uncle, gran etc...it's about protecting everyone as no matter of who you are you have the right to live. 

Sure but the younger you are the less likely you are to suffer, quite marginally as well.

 

Why dont we stack the odds in our favour rather than having these catch all rules, doesn't make sense to me.

[Alf Bentley]

16 hours ago, filbertway said:

Can anyone convince me why age related restrictions would be no good?

 

It's a shame people that are of a certain age arent taking the steps to protect themselves or getting the support.

 

I dont see why the world has to stop and peoples lives be significantly impacted when we know that the main group of people suffering most are the elderly.

 

In effect, this has already been attempted - and it has failed.

 

In the summer, everything was opened up. Young people and those with no vulnerability resumed normal life, but most of the elderly and those with a vulnerability continued to act cautiously.

In the short-term, this led to increased levels of infection among the less vulnerable young, but not among the elderly/vulnerable - meaning low levels of hospitalisation and death......so far, so good, by your theory.

 

But that didn't last, did it? Hospitals and morgues are filling up - mainly with the elderly/vulnerable, but also with a few unlucky young/"invulnerable" people.

 

Do you believe that is because lots of elderly/vulnerable people who were "taking steps to protect themselves" in the summer suddenly stopped doing so?

I doubt it. I reckon that it's because this virus is highly contagious - and because a lot of people find it hard or impossible to avoid contact with younger generations.

 

Examples:

- Lots of uni students or workers in their 20s live with parents in their 50s/60s

- Lots of schoolkids have parents in their 50s or with vulnerabilities (I'm 58, have a vulnerability & live with my 16-year-old daughter who goes to college.....which of us should move out and where to?)

- Many elderly people live with middle-aged children with families, so people in their household go out to work or school or shopping/socialising

- A lot of elderly/vulnerable people who live alone would struggle to cope physically or mentally without visits from younger people, sometimes relations/friends, sometimes paid carers

- Some people who work and pay mortgages/rent have vulnerabilities (e.g. my 30-year-old nephew has twice had pneumonia; my fit 50-year-old mate, a teaching assistant, has diabetes)

 

You also do not say how long such isolation of older/vulnerable people would last. Most assessments reckon that still only a small proportion of the population has had Covid.....so such isolation could potentially last years.

Can you imagine isolating yourself and putting your life on hold for years? It would be intolerable, wouldn't it? Well, guess what.....it would be intolerable for older people, too. Most could tolerate it short-term with support, but not long-term.