leicesterlad1989 Posted 8 June 2023 Share Posted 8 June 2023 23 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: Did you see Robbie Neilson play, the bloke just seemed off playing football Unfortunately I did. We've signed some shite over the years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 8 June 2023 Share Posted 8 June 2023 6 minutes ago, Walkerfox said: What was he good at? He couldn’t defend, couldn’t pass the ball unless it was more than 5 years backwards. Didn’t contribute anything to the attack. He’d have been torn to shreds in the more physical championship. Your evidence is qualitative, or most likely based on anecdotal evidence. He very regularly passed between the lines. You have a below-average assessment on football, if you believe he’d be poor in the championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 8 June 2023 Share Posted 8 June 2023 2 hours ago, FoxyLeon said: You never watched him, he was often the only player in our team trying to progress the ball forwards. It's why I don't respect the opinion of anyone claiming Tielemans is a 'Top class midfielder' and Amartey is some kind of 'Donkey'...When they played together, Tielemans would give the ball to Amartey and pass all responsibility to the Ghanaian. If I was given the choice between keeping either of the two for next season, it would 100% be Amartey. The one thing you couldn't throw at Amartey is a lack of commitment or ambition, you have to be a serious hater, be completely unaware of what either means or just trying to look 'cool' by picking on an undeserving scapegoat. I've seen plenty from Amartey to think he'd be a perfectly capable Premier League player. Probably similarly to how Morgan excelled once he had someone next to him that could organise him to play to his strengths. But when you've got a midfielder in front of you that makes it seem as though you're fielding 10 men every game, and you've got full backs either side that can't defend, then anyone would look poor. His Blackburn performance summed him up for me, I don't like the criticism he got for giving the ball away that night. Nobody in midfield or attack could get their foot on the ball, so I'm not going to criticize a centre half for having the 'ambition' and balls to actually try and help his team mates out. If the 4th/5th choice CB is the problem....Then the 4th/5th choice CB isn't the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 8 June 2023 Share Posted 8 June 2023 Was he meant to be actually an 'utility' player, playing across the back etc?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walkerfox Posted 8 June 2023 Share Posted 8 June 2023 39 minutes ago, westernpark said: Your evidence is qualitative, or most likely based on anecdotal evidence. He very regularly passed between the lines. You have a below-average assessment on football, if you believe he’d be poor in the championship. The anecdotal evidence comes from watching him every single game I genuinely cannot think of a time he “passed between the lines”. He contributed nothing and actively harmed our offensive play due to his inability to find an open midfielder. Just to clarify, do you think he was good enough for the premier league and an integral part of the squad, or are you only taking opposition to my comment about him not being good enough for the championship? Because I can certainly understand your point of view in that the championship is a fairly large step down (even though I think it would still be too high for him!). Premier league level is laughable though. He was very lucky to have been with us for so long. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 8 June 2023 Share Posted 8 June 2023 4 minutes ago, Walkerfox said: The anecdotal evidence comes from watching him every single game I genuinely cannot think of a time he “passed between the lines”. He contributed nothing and actively harmed our offensive play due to his inability to find an open midfielder. Just to clarify, do you think he was good enough for the premier league and an integral part of the squad, or are you only taking opposition to my comment about him not being good enough for the championship? Because I can certainly understand your point of view in that the championship is a fairly large step down (even though I think it would still be too high for him!). Premier league level is laughable though. He was very lucky to have been with us for so long. Yes like I said at the beginning, I believe he would be okay for the Championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SouthStandUpperTier Posted 9 June 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 9 June 2023 Oh well, time to put my tin hat on. Here goes... Progressive passes completed per 90 Amartey 3.69 Evans 2.99 Souttar 2.64 Faes 2.39 Soyuncu 2.03 Progressive passing distance per 90 Evans 445.7 Amartey 368.2 Faes 334.5 Souttar 299.5 Soyuncu 260.5 Progressive carries per 90 Amartey 1.28 Soyuncu 0.85 Souttar 0.55 Evans 0.51 Faes 0.35 Progressive carrying distance per 90 Amartey 127.1 Faes 116.3 Evans 103.1 Soyuncu 101.9 Souttar 86.2 Shot creating actions per 90 Amartey 0.84 Souttar 0.73 Faes 0.71 Evans 0.34 Soyuncu 0.34 Goals against per 90 Evans 2.39 Soyuncu 2.20 Souttar 1.73 Faes 1.65 Amartey 1.51 18 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Paninistickers Posted 9 June 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 9 June 2023 24 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Oh well, time to put my tin hat on. Here goes... Progressive passes completed per 90 Amartey 3.69 Evans 2.99 Souttar 2.64 Faes 2.39 Soyuncu 2.03 Progressive passing distance per 90 Evans 445.7 Amartey 368.2 Faes 334.5 Souttar 299.5 Soyuncu 260.5 Progressive carries per 90 Amartey 1.28 Soyuncu 0.85 Souttar 0.55 Evans 0.51 Faes 0.35 Progressive carrying distance per 90 Amartey 127.1 Faes 116.3 Evans 103.1 Soyuncu 101.9 Souttar 86.2 Shot creating actions per 90 Amartey 0.84 Souttar 0.73 Faes 0.71 Evans 0.34 Soyuncu 0.34 Goals against per 90 Evans 2.39 Soyuncu 2.20 Souttar 1.73 Faes 1.65 Amartey 1.51 I absolutely buy into these. I was an Amartey fan. His passing into midfield - usually the less obvious channel - is almost entirely unappreciated. Unfortunately, the stats don't include 'playing well for 90 mins but making one minor (or major) mistake that almost always led directly to a goal' 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: Oh well, time to put my tin hat on. Here goes... Progressive passes completed per 90 Amartey 3.69 Evans 2.99 Souttar 2.64 Faes 2.39 Soyuncu 2.03 Progressive passing distance per 90 Evans 445.7 Amartey 368.2 Faes 334.5 Souttar 299.5 Soyuncu 260.5 Progressive carries per 90 Amartey 1.28 Soyuncu 0.85 Souttar 0.55 Evans 0.51 Faes 0.35 Progressive carrying distance per 90 Amartey 127.1 Faes 116.3 Evans 103.1 Soyuncu 101.9 Souttar 86.2 Shot creating actions per 90 Amartey 0.84 Souttar 0.73 Faes 0.71 Evans 0.34 Soyuncu 0.34 Goals against per 90 Evans 2.39 Soyuncu 2.20 Souttar 1.73 Faes 1.65 Amartey 1.51 The issue is here, we are comparing players in the Leicester team. The entire defence was dysfunctional with no protection from the midfield. if however you compare Amartey to some of the other leagues defenders, playing in teams that actually kept clean sheets, looking at defensive matrixes, he doesn’t stack up well. The reality is, he’s a utility / 4th choice centre back that Rodgers persisted with over Soyuncu. Even out of form, Soyuncu was better than Amartey. That is not Dans fault and he had some half decent games at times. His eagerness to progress up the pitch at times, was what forced him to lose the ball. In reality, he should never have played the games he did. For the wage he was on, he needs to be gone. We aren’t just building a team to get out of the Championship. We also need a team to stay in the Premier League should be return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongo92 Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 Saw him countless times playing a suicide ball to the opposition, leading to a goal being conceded. Don’t really care if the stats said he on average carried it and extra 10 metres - this is far outweighed by his generally poor play. I am/ was an amartey fan. Generally a back up player who was thrust into the starting 11 on the backdrop of the team being dogs**t. I don’t know if it was his attitude, or persona but I liked him. But he was not good enough for what we needed, simple. Would have been handy in the championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebluefox85 Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 Thank god he’s gone absolute liability since he’s been here never been good enough and should of been sold 3seasons ago 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 3 hours ago, Paninistickers said: I absolutely buy into these. I was an Amartey fan. His passing into midfield - usually the less obvious channel - is almost entirely unappreciated. Unfortunately, the stats don't include 'playing well for 90 mins but making one minor (or major) mistake that almost always led directly to a goal' Concisely bang on the money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Fox Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 3 hours ago, Paninistickers said: I absolutely buy into these. I was an Amartey fan. His passing into midfield - usually the less obvious channel - is almost entirely unappreciated. Unfortunately, the stats don't include 'playing well for 90 mins but making one minor (or major) mistake that almost always led directly to a goal' Yep where’s the standing off a player letting him have a free shot to score stat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK3Blue Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 No composure at all, treated a Football like a hotplate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidsworth Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 Would be good to see stats showing mistakes leading to big chances... He'd be top of that I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Fresh Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 13 minutes ago, squidsworth said: Would be good to see stats showing mistakes leading to big chances... He'd be top of that I'm sure. Premier League website shows stats for errors leading to a goal and apparently he wasn't responsible for any this season. No idea what the criteria is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onions Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, squidsworth said: Would be good to see stats showing mistakes leading to big chances... He'd be top of that I'm sure. 0, in 106 games. 🤷♂️ Edited 9 June 2023 by Onions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidsworth Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 1 hour ago, Onions said: 0, in 106 games. 🤷♂️ Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squidsworth Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said: Premier League website shows stats for errors leading to a goal and apparently he wasn't responsible for any this season. No idea what the criteria is though. Can't include misplaced passes then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sly said: The issue is here, we are comparing players in the Leicester team. The entire defence was dysfunctional with no protection from the midfield. if however you compare Amartey to some of the other leagues defenders, playing in teams that actually kept clean sheets, looking at defensive matrixes, he doesn’t stack up well. The reality is, he’s a utility / 4th choice centre back that Rodgers persisted with over Soyuncu. Even out of form, Soyuncu was better than Amartey. That is not Dans fault and he had some half decent games at times. His eagerness to progress up the pitch at times, was what forced him to lose the ball. In reality, he should never have played the games he did. For the wage he was on, he needs to be gone. We aren’t just building a team to get out of the Championship. We also need a team to stay in the Premier League should be return. In no way am I saying Amartey is a great player who should have been a nailed on starter every week. Nor am I saying he had a good season. Nobody did imho. I'm merely pointing out the sheer hypocrisy of some of our fans. If people are going to make excuses for Evans and Soyuncu, then they have to make those same excuses for Amartey too. People on here claim we would have been safe if only BR had selected Soyuncu instead of Amartey, or if Evans had stayed fit for most of the season. Maybe, maybe not. I don't see any real evidence to back up these claims tbqh. People have a chubby-on for Soyuncu because he butted heads with BR. Fair enough. But he simply hasn't been close to his best for either club or country for 2 years now. Edited 9 June 2023 by SouthStandUpperTier 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 People see what they want to see. The biggest criticism of Dan was that he treated the ball like a hot potato, whereas the stats tell us he was one of the most composed and progressive ball carriers we had. In fact with him in the team we conceded the least amount of goals, so he was far from our worse defender. All this talk of Cags coming in for Dan and we wouldn't have got relegated, actually I think if Cags had come in for Faes, we probably wouldn't have got relegated. Anyway it's all conjecture now. I wish him well, not the best but definitely not our worse player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 1 hour ago, Onions said: 0, in 106 games. 🤷♂️ Ha, is that actually the case? I long suspected it was another myth along the lines of "Wasyl was a walking red card". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Bowman Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 5 hours ago, Paninistickers said: Unfortunately, the stats don't include 'playing well for 90 mins but making one minor (or major) mistake that almost always led directly to a goal' Exactly. I always reckoned Soyuncu was class, but every three or four games would produce a howler of a mistake that would be hilarious if another team's player did it, but is somehow less funny when it's our team. Amartey had lots of good points, but it seemed like he'd have at least one total brainfart most games. Which ultimately is probably the main reason Evans has been a better defender than either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onions Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 4 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Ha, is that actually the case? I long suspected it was another myth along the lines of "Wasyl was a walking red card". Official stats, have him at 0 errors leading to goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamfox Posted 9 June 2023 Share Posted 9 June 2023 People are just hysterical , no balance in the thinking he would of been a descent utility player in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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