No Deal Brexit & Transfer policy's

[UHDrive]

With the UK likely pulling the plug on a trade agreement with the EU that is becoming a fast reality, what will happen with transfers and general immigration policy's for pro footballers coming to UK football leagues.

 

What concerns me the most is whether some sort of arrangement can be made so that our transfer window is increased or maybe staggered further forward to overcome these problems. 

 

Financial matters also need taking care of.

 

Lastly I'm quite worried about UEFA's stance and classification of UK football competitions I.e. champions league and UEFA league and whether they might impose a tarriff type system for us to play in those comps.

 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 minute ago, UHDrive said:

With the UK likely pulling the plug on a trade agreement with the EU that is becoming a fast reality, what will happen with transfers and general immigration policy's for pro footballers coming to UK football leagues.

 

What concerns me the most is whether some sort of arrangement can be made so that our transfer window is increased or maybe staggered further forward to overcome these problems. 

 

Financial matters also need taking care of.

 

Lastly I'm quite worried about UEFA's stance and classification of UK football competitions I.e. champions league and UEFA league and whether they might impose a tarriff type system for us to play in those comps.

 

Half of UEFA's members aren't in the EU.

[UHDrive]

10 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

Half of UEFA's members aren't in the EU.

Yeah I get that but most of those teams aren't 'high end' leagues with high end clubs that draw the TV revenues up for Euefa. You have to assume that there will be new agreements to be thrashed out.

[TiffToff88]

1 minute ago, UHDrive said:

Yeah I get that but most of those teams aren't 'high end' leagues with high end clubs that draw the TV revenues up for Euefa. You have to assume that there will be new agreements to be thrashed out.

Why do you assume that?

 

Brexit will have absolutely no effect on British teams inclusions in UEFA competitions. If, as you say, English teams are high end and help to draw larger audiences and bigger incomes to UEFA, why would they impose tarrifs that could possibly put our clubs off of wanting to participate?

[Ashley]

It would probably be along the lines of work permits and like what we had to do with Kramaric with the amount of appearances for national side albeit U21 at the time? 

 

Should anything like that be needed anyway*

Edited 10 September 2020 by Ashley

[UHDrive]

7 minutes ago, TiffToff88 said:

Why do you assume that?

 

Brexit will have absolutely no effect on British teams inclusions in UEFA competitions. If, as you say, English teams are high end and help to draw larger audiences and bigger incomes to UEFA, why would they impose tarrifs that could possibly put our clubs off of wanting to participate?

Because if the withdrawal agreement is modified then it will technically be null and void, requiring a new immigration policy that the government have always vied for and particularly with the customs arrangements proposed change which gives the government extra powers to modify our immigration policy. 

 

Whilst I'm not an expert I would be surprised that our legal agreements with UK clubs and UEFA won't change. 

[reynard]

1 minute ago, UHDrive said:

Because if the withdrawal agreement is modified then it will technically be null and void, requiring a new immigration policy that the government have always vied for and particularly with the customs arrangements proposed change which gives the government extra powers to modify our immigration policy. 

 

Whilst I'm not an expert I would be surprised that our legal agreements with UK clubs and UEFA won't change. 

I'm not sure our immigration policy will change that much in relation to professional footballers. They're hardly the type of immigrant Daily Mail readers and the Tory party are obsessed with. They will also be paying tax. There may be an issue that being outside the EU puts off some from wanting to come here though the wage levels in the Premier League will probably counter that. The paperwork may take longer to sort out though.

UEFA won't want to lose UK clubs as they generate loads of cash.

[Ricey]

It is likely to be a points based system that factors in a number of different things and probably won't be as tough as the current non-EU work permit rules.

 

It wouldn't apply to foreign players already in the country. At least not for a few years.

[Clever Fox]

Both UEFA and Fifa are both non political organizations so it shouldn't effect tem.

Having said that they have a lot of influence in the EU. So I'm sure any issues can be worked out to

everyone's satisfaction.

As for Brit Gov, these players pay huge taxes while here so it's unlikely they would put up any barriers.

[bovril]

6 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

As for Brit Gov, these players pay huge taxes while here so it's unlikely they would put up any barriers.

Without wishing to turn another thread into a Brexit debate, a large part of Brexit was based on putting up barriers to people who come here and pay a huge amount of taxes.

[Jon the Hat]

Wow.  You worry a lot.  None of the above is going to happen.  There will be deal.  There is always a deal.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

44 minutes ago, bovril said:

Without wishing to turn another thread into a Brexit debate, a large part of Brexit was based on putting up barriers to people who come here and pay a huge amount of taxes.

 

7 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Both UEFA and Fifa are both non political organizations so it shouldn't effect tem.

Having said that they have a lot of influence in the EU. So I'm sure any issues can be worked out to

everyone's satisfaction.

As for Brit Gov, these players pay huge taxes while here so it's unlikely they would put up any barriers.

 Brexit isn't about putting up barriers to high income immigrants. Trust me, I'm an immigrant (spousal visa, though) and high income is its own category.

But this has nothing to do with UEFA, which has nothing to do with the EU (and is even based in a non-EU country), and having about half its members not being part of the EU. The only thing is that EU countries have to let other EU citizens play on a equal basis as their own citizens (which the FA tries to get around with its "home grown" definition including people like Huth).

Non-EU members of UEFA don't have to follow EU immigration rules. "Making a deal" withe the EU doesn't have anything to do with it, since free movement isn't part of any proposed deal.

People shouldn't worry about the EU, or Brexit, or even UK immigration policy, since footballers would be offered high-paying jobs (unless you are dealing with the lower divisions), which current UK law is pretty lenient on for non-EU immigrants. 

The real issue is the FA. Currently, international non-EU visas for footballers have to be approved by the FA (other associations for the other home countries) before they go to the Home Office. The FA has requirements before they let foreign players in (usually based on national team appearances, with some exceptions, especially for Brazil, since they have more high quality players than national team spots). At the end of the day, it will be the FA who decides on the eligibility of EU citizens who want to play in the Premier League, and will weigh their desire to develop English players at the highest level with the benefits of having a league in which the best players in the world play.

But the current UK/EU negotiations or lack thereof have nothing to do with it.

[bovril]

9 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

 

 Brexit isn't about putting up barriers to high income immigrants. Trust me, I'm an immigrant (spousal visa, though) and high income is its own category.

But this has nothing to do with UEFA, which has nothing to do with the EU (and is even based in a non-EU country), and having about half its members not being part of the EU. The only thing is that EU countries have to let other EU citizens play on a equal basis as their own citizens (which the FA tries to get around with its "home grown" definition including people like Huth).

Non-EU members of UEFA don't have to follow EU immigration rules. "Making a deal" withe the EU doesn't have anything to do with it, since free movement isn't part of any proposed deal.

People shouldn't worry about the EU, or Brexit, or even UK immigration policy, since footballers would be offered high-paying jobs (unless you are dealing with the lower divisions), which current UK law is pretty lenient on for non-EU immigrants. 

The real issue is the FA. Currently, international non-EU visas for footballers have to be approved by the FA (other associations for the other home countries) before they go to the Home Office. The FA has requirements before they let foreign players in (usually based on national team appearances, with some exceptions, especially for Brazil, since they have more high quality players than national team spots). At the end of the day, it will be the FA who decides on the eligibility of EU citizens who want to play in the Premier League, and will weigh their desire to develop English players at the highest level with the benefits of having a league in which the best players in the world play.

But the current UK/EU negotiations or lack thereof have nothing to do with it.

My point was that Brexit was in a large part driven by a desire to put up barriers to EU migrants, who contribute a great deal more than non EU migrants or UK citizens. 

 

Anyway, I agree that the current negotiations have nothing to do with the subject of highly-paid footballers in the UK.

[Jobyfox]

Policies? 

[Foxxed]

I'm glad Vichai and Top bought OHL.

[Le Renard]

Brexit could affect football clubs who pay their players in Euro's along with the transfer fees, a lot of european players like to be payed in Euro's.  If a no deal goes a head the economy will tank and with the double hit with Covid the pound will go down against the stronger currencies, this will put further pressure on clubs finances with the payment of overseas TV rights getting less money, the deals were probably agreed in dollars or euros!

[Grebfromgrebland]

My prediction is that it will be harder for EU nationals to play in England.  That is one of the points of Brexit, prevent foreigners taking jobs that the English can do and there are plenty of English Nationals that can play football and it will be fairly easy to argue to those more malleable that its foreigners that have prevented us winning the world cup again and therefore lets make it harder for anyone non English to get the right to work in this area.  This has been discussed many times over the years even before Brexit was on the agenda and next year will be the perfect time to push that discussion again.

 

 

[Foxxed]

Fofana said he is worried Brexit will prevent him moving later on, so he wants to move now, before the door is closed. The promised land of Brexit is here!

[KingsX]

Premier League clubs will face new restrictions on the signing of players from outside the UK from the January 2021 transfer window as a consequence of Brexit -- the vote of the UK to leave the European Union (EU). The regulations will make it tougher for Premier League clubs to sign non-UK players, with clubs also unable to sign players from overseas until they are 18.

 

The UK will leave the EU on Dec. 31 and, from that date onwards, Premier League and EFL clubs will be unable to complete restriction-free transfers for players from the EU.

 

Following talks between the Premier League, EFL, English Football Association and the government, an agreement has been reached for all potential signings from the EU to secure a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) -- a points-based authorisation -- before being allowed to move to a UK team.

 

The GBE will operate a points system, where points are scored for senior and talented young players based on senior and youth international appearances, quality of the selling club, based on the league they are in, league position and progression in continental competition and club appearances, based on domestic league and continental competition minutes. Players accumulating the requisite amount of points will earn a GBE automatically, while players just below the threshold may be considered for a GBE by an exceptions panel.

 

Restrictions on the signing of players aged 21 and under have also been introduced, limiting clubs to three U-21 players in the January window and no more than six per season.

 

Richard Masters, the Premier League's chief executive, said: "The Premier League has worked with The FA to come to an agreement to ensure no part of Brexit should damage the success of the Premier League, or the prospects of the England teams. We welcome the news that the Home Office has approved the Governing Body Endorsement plan for the January 2021 transfer window. Continuing to be able to recruit the best players will see the Premier League remain competitive and compelling and the solution will complement our player development philosophy of the best foreign talent alongside the best homegrown players. Following the January transfer window, we look forward to reviewing the agreement with The FA."

 

Mark Bullingham, the chief executive of the FA, said that discussions will now take place aimed at improving the prospects of home-grown players in the UK. "We have a strong working relationship with both the Premier League and EFL and will monitor this new agreement together to ensure it evolves to best meet our joint objectives over time," Bullingham said. "We will also discuss improvements to the player pathway for the mutual benefit of football clubs and home-grown talent in this country."

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4250599/premier-league-clubs-face-brexit-transfer-restrictions-from-january-2021

[weller54]

On 10/09/2020 at 22:25, Foxxed said:

Fofana said he is worried Brexit will prevent him moving later on, so he wants to move now, before the door is closed. The promised land of Brexit is here!

.... with all those lovely unicorns 😂😂..

Numbskulls who voted for this!!!

[Lesta Legend]

I’m sure our recruitment will adapt around this, with long term planning already in place, like we know the club are good at. Elite British clubs will also adapt, readily  available youth players and their development just might be the future for success. Good thing we’ve just invested into a world class training facility. 

[KingsX]

19 hours ago, Lesta Legend said:

I’m sure our recruitment will adapt around this, with long term planning already in place, like we know the club are good at. Elite British clubs will also adapt, readily  available youth players and their development just might be the future for success. Good thing we’ve just invested into a world class training facility. 

 

The price of "readily available" British youth players is going to be bid up to a level we can't yet foresee -- for that top slice of talent who show at least marginal PL-level promise.

[Ric Flair]

This is going to have serious consequences, they might not be negative consequences in the long run but they certainly won't make life easy for British teams in the short term.

 

Quite surprised we seemingly barely recruited any under 18 players last summer, I repeatedly moaned about this and this now furthers the missed opportunity to have one last push at overhauling the group of u18 players within our academy. We will be limited to up to 6 U21 signings a season which means if our academy has obvious shortcomings then the ability to try and recruit swiftly to improve that is going to be much harder.

 

I suppose we will look to go down the route of placing U18 foreign players with Leuven and the fact they are now in a top foreign league is important as we could then find a pathway to get talented youngsters signed up and given first team experience at a level that would pass the criteria. I'm sure there will be other tricks clubs will do for exceptional circumstances, would there be anything encouraging a player to not sign a pro deal abroad and then their " family " move to the UK if they pass such criteria and then the player become domesticated to join an academy? Surely there won't be a situation where families that move to the UK won't be able to play football at professional level until their 18? 

 

I just don't see how this benefits football in this country. I imagine in a few years this will be revisited and changed.

[Ric Flair]

28 minutes ago, KingsX said:

 

The price of "readily available" British youth players is going to be bid up to a level we can't yet foresee -- for that top slice of talent who show at least marginal PL-level promise.

Yeah, an already over inflated domestic market will become ridiculous. How the fcuk have PL clubs agreed to this?

[mozartfox]

No problem really.  UK Border Force will bring them in providing any player arrives via Sea.