Maddison

[Leicester Rule!]

Looks like he’s not heading back with the rest of the squad? Seems to be hugging everyone at the hotel and not in his England tracksuit. 

[Countryfox]

Fookin disgrace ...  no doubt someone will say I am  biased and "do you seriously believe Southgate wouldn't play him due to media pressure in taking him along" ..  (and probably get repped to death for posting it) ...    damn yes I do think that ! ..  Southgate is a petty tw@t and has cost us yet again.  

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

Hang on, I thought it was 'common sense' that Southgate was just managing his injury earlier in the tournament and would play Maddison the first chance he got? And that thinking Southgate genuinely had zero interest in playing him was unreasonable?

 

If Maddison played for any other club and Southgate had thrown him in *last night* after he'd not played for a month partly due to injury, folk on here would be spitting feathers.

[Dan]

Butterly effect. It's sods law that we get a free kick like that as the last chance of the game but you also don't know what happens for sure if Maddison does come on. What I will say though is he had far more business coming on than Mount or Sterling. Sterling's got other shit going on, hasn't trained all week, hasn't performed well in ages. Mount, I mean others might think getting clattered is enough to justify a selection but yeah, I'm not going there.

[Lambert09]

20 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

If Maddison played for any other club and Southgate had thrown him in *last night* after he'd not played for a month partly due to injury, folk on here would be spitting feathers.

it’s not just leicester fans that are saying that though. over rashford? absolutely not in his current form. But over sterling (who wasn’t even with the squad preparing this week and is in horrid form) or grealish (not done anything of note for about a year)  I think it would be fair to want him on the pitch 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

21 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

it’s not just leicester fans that are saying that though. over rashford? absolutely not in his current form. But over sterling (who wasn’t even with the squad preparing this week and is in horrid form) or grealish (not done anything of note for about a year)  I think it would be fair to want him on the pitch 

 

Afraid to tell you that nobody outside of Leicester gave half a shit once he'd picked up the niggle. The Sterling sub last night was wrong but people adamant Maddison should've come on last night are insane.

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, Leicester Rule! said:

Looks like he’s not heading back with the rest of the squad? Seems to be hugging everyone at the hotel and not in his England tracksuit. 

Good for him. Few days living large in Dubai or something will do him good.

[Eurofox]

He's staying on practicing penalties,😇

[Lambert09]

25 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

Afraid to tell you that nobody outside of Leicester gave half a shit once he'd picked up the niggle. The Sterling sub last night was wrong but people adamant Maddison should've come on last night are insane.

The guys I was with at the pub were all begging for maddison, I was actually the one saying that it might not go well as he didn’t get the chance to shake off the ‘i’m playing for england’ giddiness that he should have done against wales. 

 

His form was fantastic and I think everyone wanted to see if it translated to an england shirt. I don’t think in that moment southgate was 100% incorrect not to play him, but there were definitely people with the opinion he should play … and that’s fair.  But let’s be honest, every pub in the land had different opinions on which players should be used in those moments. 

 

The manager made a call, it didn’t come off. But personally, as much as i love maddy, I also have seen how he reacts for leicester when we are really chasing a game and his performances sometimes suffer. How many last 10minute goals or assists has he actually produced? 

 

Maybe someone will prove me wrong but i think he performs better without pressure 🤷‍♂️ 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

1 minute ago, Lambert09 said:

The guys I was with at the pub were all begging for maddison, I was actually the one saying that it might not go well as he didn’t get the chance to shake off the ‘i’m playing for england’ giddiness that he should have done against wales. 

 

His form was fantastic and I think everyone wanted to see if it translated to an england shirt. I don’t think in that moment southgate was 100% incorrect not to play him, but there were definitely people with the opinion he should play … and that’s fair.  But let’s be honest, every pub in the land had different opinions on which players should be used in those moments. 

 

The manager made a call, it didn’t come off. But personally, as much as i love maddy, I also have seen how he reacts for leicester when we are really chasing a game and his performances sometimes suffer. How many last 10minute goals or assists has he actually produced? 

 

Maybe someone will prove me wrong but i think he performs better without pressure 🤷‍♂️ 

 

I agree that the window for him to come on was when we were cruising against Wales, but last night wasn't the time at all. If he hadn't played in a month it's not certain his form translates at the click of a finger (and Rashford actually did alright by and large).

[astoriafox]

Thoroughly frustrating for me. Yes Saka was good, yes Bellingham and Foden, yes Rashford, Mount & Sterling are all good players. but it was 1 each and we were in the ascendency, without forcing Lloris to make a decent save (bar 1) That to me was the time to play your cards, stick Grealish and Madders on to mix things up. 

Even more so when we went 2-1 down. 

At 2-1 down we had nothing to loose, might as well get beaten 4-1, put AA on for his ability to cross a ball.

AA, Maddison, Grealish can all offer something the others can't and we needed that last night.

For all our endeavour, aggression and good play, we didn't really break them down. We needed something different as they were there for the taking.

[phoneticerror]

3 hours ago, Samilktray said:

Easy to say that but literally nobody can know if Maddison would or wouldn’t have scored. Also to say Rashford choked is bizarre, a decent effort in a moment of immense pressure 

Obviously. Saying I was confident didn’t mean I thought I was an oracle 😂

[fox_up_north]

Surely a better/ more proper team that Newcastle must be in for him? 

[NewEnglandFox]

4 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

I’m confident he would’ve scored from the free kick Rashford choked on.

Scoring from a direct kick is barely over a 10% chance. Converting a penalty however is damn near 80%. The choker is named Harry Kane. Anyone talking about Madders or Rashford is ignoring fundamentals. Fundamentals win football matches, not highlight goals.

Edited 11 December 2022 by NewEnglandFox

[Dorkingfox]

33 minutes ago, NewEnglandFox said:

Scoring from a direct kick is barely over a 10% chance. Converting a penalty however is damn near 80%. The choker is named Harry Kane. Anyone talking about Madders or Rashford is ignoring fundamentals. Fundamentals win football matches, not highlight goals.

That is why Southgate should go, just clueless 

[Matt]

 

[foxes_rule1978]

31 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

Pretty much sums it up, I don’t think there is any team in the tournament that wouldn’t have brought on such a player like maddison to try to rescue a game. 

[Frank Large's Black Book]

2 hours ago, Eurofox said:

He's staying on practicing penalties,😇

........in the casino 😱

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

I agree that the window for him to come on was when we were cruising against Wales, but last night wasn't the time at all. If he hadn't played in a month it's not certain his form translates at the click of a finger (and Rashford actually did alright by and large).

Didn't seem to make much difference when he had 2 months off from May to July, hit the ground running all season. His form since October 2021 is just obscene.

 

He's in the top 5 best attacking midfielders in the world now IMO, an absolute travesty he's had to be a glorified cheerleader all month. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Didn't seem to make much difference when he had 2 months off from May to July, hit the ground running all season. His form since October 2021 is just obscene.

 

He's in the top 5 best attacking midfielders in the world now IMO, an absolute travesty he's had to be a glorified cheerleader all month. 

 

In a system he's familiar with... With players he's familiar with?

 

I'm not disputing his quality by the way I just think a lot of folk are looking at this through a blue tinted lens.

[Foxdiamond]

England have always overlooked players who offered a lot of skill. Keith Weller, Tony Currie, Matt Le Tissier Alan Devonshire, Tony Morley, Jamie Vardy and now Madders all under capped by different England managers.

[jmono84]

JM absolutely should have played as much as possible if he was fit.

 

JM has been our star player for almost 2 years and has proven his quality. Southgate should have made a system which gets his two best players, Kane and JM in the starting team.

 

Players like Saka, Rashford, Mount, Sterling and Foden are good players but they’re no where near as integral to their clubs as JM has been for us.

 

Its insulting JM was overlooked so badly.

[TJB-fox]

Do you know what, I don’t think he should’ve played and Southgate got things largely spot on this WC. 

[foxes_rule1978]

21 minutes ago, TJB-fox said:

Do you know what, I don’t think he should’ve played and Southgate got things largely spot on this WC. 

I don’t think any other side leaves such a player out when needing a goal. He is highly creative and also an excellent free kick taker 

Edited 11 December 2022 by foxes_rule1978

[Ric Flair]

34 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

In a system he's familiar with... With players he's familiar with?

 

I'm not disputing his quality by the way I just think a lot of folk are looking at this through a blue tinted lens.

I repeat, he's in the top 5 attacking midfielders in the world. It doesn't matter whether its his 1st game for England or his 50th, he should be an integral part of the team and one that is built around him. He's a big game player, scores and assists against the top teams and has really done everything he possibly can to put himself in the position he is in.

 

I'm trying to think of another player who is domestically so superior to those around him who has been shunned by the international manager and I can't think of many recent examples. It's staggering. I don't think it's blue tinted glasses, he's got 27 goal contributions in the PL in a year, it's nuts as fcuk.