Rodgers due respect

[An Sionnach]

His greatest mistake for me is not about tactics , he makes errors but no more than anyone else bar Guardiola. His teams lack physicality, he does not seem to want big strong players. Our premiership winning team matched any team in the physical battle and we have lost that. The teams that have surprisingly beat us this year have not outplayed us but have won the physical battle.

Edited 13 April 2021 by An Sionnach

[Koke]

1 hour ago, deanolegend1989 said:

I know because the usual suspects on here(there’s a few obvious ones) are a bit small time and think everything’s perfect because in 2004-08 we were lucky to not go bust and had no money, so now things have changed, they are living in the past.

Just like when you criticise(and rightly so as it’s your opinion) how Amarty is one of the worst players to ever play for us and also my opinion how poor Mendy is and other views on Brendan Rodgers not fulfilling the potential of this team, they don’t want to hear that because they want ‘everything’s rosy we’re little Leicester’ mindsets for life.
You guarantee these will be the same people that wonder ‘will we ever be able to establish ourselves with the big 6’ and wonder why the media think we have no ambitions and that ‘we should keep Claudio Ranieri even if we get relegated’. It’s all small time and why we’ll never be a big club and sell all our assets all the time with this mindset.

 

What Brendan Rodgers has done is ‘decent’ SO FAR being the big words...nothing more nothing less. If we end up with no CL football and no cup then he’s failed. He bottled it with Liverpool, he bottled it last season, he bottled it vs an awful Villa team in a semi and if he does it again, it becomes more than just a coincidence. He is too scared to lose so sets up not to lose and ultimately we lose.

He set up to win with Liverpool, they won 11 on the spin, suddenly became favourites for the league. They only needed a draw vs Chelsea and he got scared. He set up more cautiously and they bottled it. I saw an interview with Stevie G after that saying ‘We had been playing so well and then we changed a bit more cautious’. I thought he was just shifting blame after it was his slip but over the last 2 years I see exactly he was right. The desperate 2nd half chasing the game, after setting up negative initially, looks so familiar every game Rodgers ever manages when things get tough.

Hes a great front runner but in adversity he shits the bed. Just little moments that no one would blame him for like that huge Bournemouth game running the show and he takes off Nacho to keep it tight, embarrassing negative decision again that cost us. A huge must win game vs Brighton at home and he bench’s Youri and plays a double pivot of Mendy and Ndidi with Madders on the LW! I could go on and on, but no he can hide behind injuries or being at a small club?

He’s got history for it, he’s got recent form for it and we’re shaking again.

We have a fantastic squad, the people who go on how he’s done so well are disrespecting or don’t understand the quality of our squad. We will NOT get a squad as good as this ever again potentially so we need to keep it together and by doing that we need CL football.

The opinion that ‘before he came in we were 9th 9th etc’ that’s a dead argument too. We hadn’t had arguably 1 of our top 5 best players and heartbeat of this current team Youri and Brendan inherited the dream.

If we fail to get CL, I fear hugely that Youri will leave. Wilf Cags Madders and little Wes and others all could too.

If even just Youri leaves, he’s irreplaceable. If we drop out top 4 Brendan will be here next year too. Everyone will then see how good Brendan is at getting his own team, rather than just riding the wave of a quality squad with one of the world best CMs as a heartbeat.

He lost Suarez at Liverpool and replaced with Balotelli, they had an embarrassing season and got hammered 6-1 to Stoke to rub it in. The next season he continued to show ineptness and he was shown the door.

He’s really done absolutely nothing to show he’s rated as highly as he did, bar winning trophies in a 1 team league whilst Rangers were rebuilding. Celtic had won lots of titles in a row so again he just inherited a winning machine and continued it...well done 👏👏👏.

He even failed and got cleaned every single time in Europe..the literal definition of failed everywhere except winning a 1 team league.

 

The reality is if you actually look deeper into his career and see the facts in detail, will show up a very very limited manager whose lucky to have a glowing media narrative that keeps him highly thought of by people who don’t follow him in detail.

Hes a good man manager, I believe he was right to do what he did with Madders Perez Hamza etc and he’s got a good style of football when we’re winning but his in game management is by far his biggest flaw and his bottle to be fearless when there’s a lot to lose and the pressure is on is a clear pattern.

I don’t believe anyone on here truly thinks our squad is worst than Arsenal or Spurs this season? Like it’s not even close. Arguably Chelsea Liverpool Man Utd and obviously City are better, so I’d say 5th roughly is on par and a season of ‘ok’.

So for Brendan to achieve something that actually requires the tag of ‘a good job’ or ‘what a good manager’ then he needs to get 4th+. Liverpool have had the season from hell, Chelsea similar and a manager change, if this season isn’t one we should be getting, then we never will!

If we get 5th it’s merely about where the sum of our squad should be. If we get 6th or lower then how can anyone with a straight face look in the mirror and say ‘Yeah we’ve done really well this season’.

For this squad to finish above arsenal or spurs squads is nothing to write home about, it would be a failure if we didn’t, the shower of sh*te mess there both in!

As I’ve said if Youri leaves and Brendan stays we’ll see how good a manager he is next year.

Hes an ok manager with a great squad not a great manager with an ok squad. If we lose our ‘great squad’ then he will show what he really is.

 

You'll be laughed at but you make a few good points. This is the best ever squad we've had. Our first 11 is on par with Spurs, if not better. It's better than Arsenal's, Everton's and West Ham as well. Our wage bill is about 7th I accept. But its not wrong to demand a bit more from this team and manager.

 

Also, harping on about or past is irrelevant. Us playing Hereford in 2008 is irrelevant. What's that got to do with our current situation? Our club is worth nearly half a billion. Our revenue is nearly £400m. We are much bigger than we were a decade ago and it's about time our fans stopped with this "little Leicester" mentality.

[Corky]

24 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

You'll be laughed at but you make a few good points. This is the best ever squad we've had. Our first 11 is on par with Spurs, if not better. It's better than Arsenal's, Everton's and West Ham as well. Our wage bill is about 7th I accept. But its not wrong to demand a bit more from this team and manager.

 

Also, harping on about or past is irrelevant. Us playing Hereford in 2008 is irrelevant. What's that got to do with our current situation? Our club is worth nearly half a billion. Our revenue is nearly £400m. We are much bigger than we were a decade ago and it's about time our fans stopped with this "little Leicester" mentality.

Our fans could also stop writing as though we've actually blown something yet when we are still in the top four and have a cup semi-final to play?

 

We have a go at the players for lacking bottle yet toys are well and truly thrown out of the pram on here at the first sign of difficulty too.

[CosbehFox]

Amartey one of the worst players to play for us, deary ****ing me 

[deanolegend1989]

42 minutes ago, Koke said:

 

You'll be laughed at but you make a few good points. This is the best ever squad we've had. Our first 11 is on par with Spurs, if not better. It's better than Arsenal's, Everton's and West Ham as well. Our wage bill is about 7th I accept. But its not wrong to demand a bit more from this team and manager.

 

Also, harping on about or past is irrelevant. Us playing Hereford in 2008 is irrelevant. What's that got to do with our current situation? Our club is worth nearly half a billion. Our revenue is nearly £400m. We are much bigger than we were a decade ago and it's about time our fans stopped with this "little Leicester" mentality.

That isn’t me thinking that, that’s me saying the people who laugh because I’m not nodding along to Brendans flaws have this mindset I feel.

There is no one who can genuinely say we’re punching above our weight unless there looking at history/size of club. Currently based on squad and not size of club, 5th is the lowest I’d rate our squad - however with Liverpool and Chelsea problems this year, not getting top is a failure and the biggest missed opportunity we’ll ever get. 
Finishing 6/7th people here would say that’s good because of our history of being a little club not because of our current squad and situation.

Anything under 4th and Rodgers hasn’t done anything that most managers couldn’t of also done with our squad.

Take out Kane and son, who do you take out of Spurs? We have 3 Cbs better than any of their best! Wilf Youri and Madders walk into that team in the middle too.

For me it just feels like a massive disappointment because this squad we have SHOULD be good enough to of got top 4 in at least 1 of these seasons and it just feels more and more like Poch era at Spurs and failing to quite achieve anything that our squad really deserves for the efforts and quality shown.

 

 

17 minutes ago, Corky said:

Our fans could also stop writing as though we've actually blown something yet when we are still in the top four and have a cup semi-final to play?

 

We have a go at the players for lacking bottle yet toys are well and truly thrown out of the pram on here at the first sign of difficulty too.

A very fair post and I agree with you despite it being aimed towards me it seems 

Ive had my opinion of how I see it and I apologise for being pessimistic about our situation as maybe I’ve have come across as if we have actually blown it already.

I just can’t help but feel it’s just history repeating itself and feels inevitable we’ll suddenly drop our bottle and PPG , coincidentally again when the pressure is on. I’d love to be proved wrong.

[KingsX]

On 11/04/2021 at 14:57, deanolegend1989 said:

Exactly what I said and nothings changed. He’s a decent/ok manager but today is AGAIN why he’s not a great manager.

He is scared and doesn’t have the bottle when things get tough.

Liverpool in 2014 had won 11 games in a row , typical Brendan great when things are flowing. Chelsea game comes and they ‘only’ need a draw so he gets scared and they lose.

Same with last season, same with this season.

Today going with a back 5 was embarrassing. Even more so when they have no target man and quick players running from deep in Bowen and Lingard.

Moyes out did Brendan today it was embarrassing to see.

When he changed to 4 atb and brought Marc on I said ‘well done Brendan but too little too late’.

I almost wanted us to lose 6-0 to almost give an excuse of we ain’t got a good enough as a squad but obviously then we showed we have ability IF(If being the big word) we have a manager who sets up correctly.

The fact we were close to getting a draw from 3-0 down annoyed me more because it proved how weak they were. Remember they had no Rice and Antonio and BR still gets scared because it’s a big game we can’t really afford to lose so we do lose.

Ive often this season questioned BRs bottle but not once wanted him gone because he’s a likeable guy and I want him to be good, but this is another example of when things get tough we don’t have the bottle.

I can almost guarantee that if we needed just a draw vs Spurs final day for top 4, we’d still throw it away.

Im just never fully convinced at any moment we need some grit in a game with big circumstances that we have it in us.

 

 

 

How can the poster with his head the furthest up his own ass, also be the one who is the most full of sh***?

 

It shouldn’t even be physically possible 

[CosbehFox]

For the chat about having the fifth best XI, there’s quite a large mitigating white elephant to that. Outside of Liverpool, no one has the related injury issues whether that’s in the present or players recovering and struggling for form (Pereira & Vardy). 
 

There was a point this season where somehow we were getting results with a back line of Albrighton - Fofana - Justin - Fuchs - Thomas. In midfield that evening we had Mendy and Praet start deputising in midfield. 

[Koke]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

Our fans could also stop writing as though we've actually blown something yet when we are still in the top four and have a cup semi-final to play?

 

We have a go at the players for lacking bottle yet toys are well and truly thrown out of the pram on here at the first sign of difficulty too.

 

Fair point. However, I will say though it is frustrating to build up such sizeable leads only for us to surrender that lead. Not saying it happen again this season but people are getting a dreaded feeling about what's to come.

Edited 13 April 2021 by Koke

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

I know because the usual suspects on here(there’s a few obvious ones) are a bit small time and think everything’s perfect because in 2004-08 we were lucky to not go bust and had no money, so now things have changed, they are living in the past.

Just like when you criticise(and rightly so as it’s your opinion) how Amarty is one of the worst players to ever play for us and also my opinion how poor Mendy is and other views on Brendan Rodgers not fulfilling the potential of this team, they don’t want to hear that because they want ‘everything’s rosy we’re little Leicester’ mindsets for life.
You guarantee these will be the same people that wonder ‘will we ever be able to establish ourselves with the big 6’ and wonder why the media think we have no ambitions and that ‘we should keep Claudio Ranieri even if we get relegated’. It’s all small time and why we’ll never be a big club and sell all our assets all the time with this mindset.

 

What Brendan Rodgers has done is ‘decent’ SO FAR being the big words...nothing more nothing less. If we end up with no CL football and no cup then he’s failed. He bottled it with Liverpool, he bottled it last season, he bottled it vs an awful Villa team in a semi and if he does it again, it becomes more than just a coincidence. He is too scared to lose so sets up not to lose and ultimately we lose.

He set up to win with Liverpool, they won 11 on the spin, suddenly became favourites for the league. They only needed a draw vs Chelsea and he got scared. He set up more cautiously and they bottled it. I saw an interview with Stevie G after that saying ‘We had been playing so well and then we changed a bit more cautious’. I thought he was just shifting blame after it was his slip but over the last 2 years I see exactly he was right. The desperate 2nd half chasing the game, after setting up negative initially, looks so familiar every game Rodgers ever manages when things get tough.

Hes a great front runner but in adversity he shits the bed. Just little moments that no one would blame him for like that huge Bournemouth game running the show and he takes off Nacho to keep it tight, embarrassing negative decision again that cost us. A huge must win game vs Brighton at home and he bench’s Youri and plays a double pivot of Mendy and Ndidi with Madders on the LW! I could go on and on, but no he can hide behind injuries or being at a small club?

He’s got history for it, he’s got recent form for it and we’re shaking again.

We have a fantastic squad, the people who go on how he’s done so well are disrespecting or don’t understand the quality of our squad. We will NOT get a squad as good as this ever again potentially so we need to keep it together and by doing that we need CL football.

The opinion that ‘before he came in we were 9th 9th etc’ that’s a dead argument too. We hadn’t had arguably 1 of our top 5 best players and heartbeat of this current team Youri and Brendan inherited the dream.

If we fail to get CL, I fear hugely that Youri will leave. Wilf Cags Madders and little Wes and others all could too.

If even just Youri leaves, he’s irreplaceable. If we drop out top 4 Brendan will be here next year too. Everyone will then see how good Brendan is at getting his own team, rather than just riding the wave of a quality squad with one of the world best CMs as a heartbeat.

He lost Suarez at Liverpool and replaced with Balotelli, they had an embarrassing season and got hammered 6-1 to Stoke to rub it in. The next season he continued to show ineptness and he was shown the door.

He’s really done absolutely nothing to show he’s rated as highly as he did, bar winning trophies in a 1 team league whilst Rangers were rebuilding. Celtic had won lots of titles in a row so again he just inherited a winning machine and continued it...well done 👏👏👏.

He even failed and got cleaned every single time in Europe..the literal definition of failed everywhere except winning a 1 team league.

 

The reality is if you actually look deeper into his career and see the facts in detail, will show up a very very limited manager whose lucky to have a glowing media narrative that keeps him highly thought of by people who don’t follow him in detail.

Hes a good man manager, I believe he was right to do what he did with Madders Perez Hamza etc and he’s got a good style of football when we’re winning but his in game management is by far his biggest flaw and his bottle to be fearless when there’s a lot to lose and the pressure is on is a clear pattern.

I don’t believe anyone on here truly thinks our squad is worst than Arsenal or Spurs this season? Like it’s not even close. Arguably Chelsea Liverpool Man Utd and obviously City are better, so I’d say 5th roughly is on par and a season of ‘ok’.

So for Brendan to achieve something that actually requires the tag of ‘a good job’ or ‘what a good manager’ then he needs to get 4th+. Liverpool have had the season from hell, Chelsea similar and a manager change, if this season isn’t one we should be getting, then we never will!

If we get 5th it’s merely about where the sum of our squad should be. If we get 6th or lower then how can anyone with a straight face look in the mirror and say ‘Yeah we’ve done really well this season’.

For this squad to finish above arsenal or spurs squads is nothing to write home about, it would be a failure if we didn’t, the shower of sh*te mess there both in!

As I’ve said if Youri leaves and Brendan stays we’ll see how good a manager he is next year.

Hes an ok manager with a great squad not a great manager with an ok squad. If we lose our ‘great squad’ then he will show what he really is.

There's going to be a lot of people in 'the table doesn't lie' brigade that will get hot under the collar about this but I have to agree with you. Good post.

[Guest Col city fan]

57 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

That isn’t me thinking that, that’s me saying the people who laugh because I’m not nodding along to Brendans flaws have this mindset I feel.

There is no one who can genuinely say we’re punching above our weight unless there looking at history/size of club. Currently based on squad and not size of club, 5th is the lowest I’d rate our squad - however with Liverpool and Chelsea problems this year, not getting top is a failure and the biggest missed opportunity we’ll ever get. 
Finishing 6/7th people here would say that’s good because of our history of being a little club not because of our current squad and situation.

Anything under 4th and Rodgers hasn’t done anything that most managers couldn’t of also done with our squad.

Take out Kane and son, who do you take out of Spurs? We have 3 Cbs better than any of their best! Wilf Youri and Madders walk into that team in the middle too.

For me it just feels like a massive disappointment because this squad we have SHOULD be good enough to of got top 4 in at least 1 of these seasons and it just feels more and more like Poch era at Spurs and failing to quite achieve anything that our squad really deserves for the efforts and quality shown.

 

 

A very fair post and I agree with you despite it being aimed towards me it seems 

Ive had my opinion of how I see it and I apologise for being pessimistic about our situation as maybe I’ve have come across as if we have actually blown it already.

I just can’t help but feel it’s just history repeating itself and feels inevitable we’ll suddenly drop our bottle and PPG , coincidentally again when the pressure is on. I’d love to be proved wrong.

Another good post mate. Very honest

And tbf we’d all like you to be proven wrong

👍
I think the important word at the moment is ‘impetus’. Just because we are where we are in the league now doesn’t mean that’s where we’ll finish. West Ham, Chelsea, Liverpool currently have impetus. We’ve lost some of ours. 
3 points is 3 points whether it’s won early in the season, a few weeks ago or in three games time. What matters is how we are playing NOW.

It’s like teams who very often seem to get promoted through the championship play offs. They often aren’t the side who’s sat third for the last few weeks of the season. They are often the side who have had to play their arses off to get into the play off positions. They have impetus.

I worry we’ve lost ours to some extent. Take the West Brom game soon to come. Like us, West Brom need to win, but unlike us they suddenly have impetus and are finally showing some form. This makes it potentially a really tough game now.

Edited 13 April 2021 by Col city fan

[Unabomber]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Amartey one of the worst players to play for us, deary ****ing me 

Wtf who said that? When did they start supporting us Sunday morning? Ffs  

[Corky]

2 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

That isn’t me thinking that, that’s me saying the people who laugh because I’m not nodding along to Brendans flaws have this mindset I feel.

There is no one who can genuinely say we’re punching above our weight unless there looking at history/size of club. Currently based on squad and not size of club, 5th is the lowest I’d rate our squad - however with Liverpool and Chelsea problems this year, not getting top is a failure and the biggest missed opportunity we’ll ever get. 
Finishing 6/7th people here would say that’s good because of our history of being a little club not because of our current squad and situation.

Anything under 4th and Rodgers hasn’t done anything that most managers couldn’t of also done with our squad.

Take out Kane and son, who do you take out of Spurs? We have 3 Cbs better than any of their best! Wilf Youri and Madders walk into that team in the middle too.

For me it just feels like a massive disappointment because this squad we have SHOULD be good enough to of got top 4 in at least 1 of these seasons and it just feels more and more like Poch era at Spurs and failing to quite achieve anything that our squad really deserves for the efforts and quality shown.

 

 

A very fair post and I agree with you despite it being aimed towards me it seems 

Ive had my opinion of how I see it and I apologise for being pessimistic about our situation as maybe I’ve have come across as if we have actually blown it already.

I just can’t help but feel it’s just history repeating itself and feels inevitable we’ll suddenly drop our bottle and PPG , coincidentally again when the pressure is on. I’d love to be proved wrong.

Not specifically at you but just generally on here, especially in match threads, whenever we concede people just seem to give up. I appreciate it is heat of the moment, and I appreciate there are concerns about the last couple of results but I think premature thinking and writing off isn't helping- there is a fair amount of football to be played and we are capable of putting a good run together.

 

To be honest, the thing I don't understand most are the regular "Would you rather?" topics in terms of winning a cup, finishing top four or whatever else it is- again, we can criticise the club for playing down expectations or not going hard enough for trophies yet I saw it written that we shouldn't bother with the cup final because we'll play Man City- what kind of attitude is that?

 

I know we're in a situation where we can't influence anything directly as fans with us being unable to attend and that is probably adding to frustrations.

[hackneyfox]

1 hour ago, Unabomber said:

Wtf who said that? When did they start supporting us Sunday morning? Ffs  

The legend that is .....

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Ah the 'I told you so' brigade are back....

[moore_94]

Anyone able to do a TL;DR for the past few pages?

 

Feel like there is a lot of whining and guff to get through

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Anyone able to do a TL;DR for the past few pages?

 

Feel like there is a lot of whining and guff to get through

"Rodgers hasn't won anything here and bottled it at Liverpool, we lost at West ham and are bottling it."

 

 They've been waiting to say this for 9 months are back. They'll be straight on here should we lose the semi.

 

An interesting thing for me is West ham being a so called suprise this year. Their wage bill, revenue and net spend are all bigger than ours so demonstrates as a club how hard we've punched above our weight to not even be considered a shock anymore.

 

Even if we **** it up again this year I genuinely don't know who as a manager we could get that's better.

Edited 13 April 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[Sunbury Fox]

4 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

For the chat about having the fifth best XI, there’s quite a large mitigating white elephant to that. Outside of Liverpool, no one has the related injury issues whether that’s in the present or players recovering and struggling for form (Pereira & Vardy). 
 

There was a point this season where somehow we were getting results with a back line of Albrighton - Fofana - Justin - Fuchs - Thomas. In midfield that evening we had Mendy and Praet start deputising in midfield. 

This 100%. We must be the only PL club who hasn't been able to field our first choice XI once all season. Aside from the defensive injuries earlier in the season, which you've referenced above, we've now been shorn of our key creative players for the past month. Given all this, Brendan has surely done amazingly to get us into 3rd, especially given our European commitments in what has been such a compressed season.

 

That's not to say that our first choice XI isn't right up there with the best but we just don't have the budget to have the level of back up players that the likes of Man City, Man U, Liverpool and Chelsea have. Let's see how West Ham get on now they've finally started to get the kind of injuries we've had all season.

Edited 13 April 2021 by Sunbury Fox

[UpTheLeagueFox]

Kemy Agustien played under Rodgers at Swansea.

 

 

[Koke]

4 hours ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Even if we **** it up again this year I genuinely don't know who as a manager we could get that's bette

 

Nobody is saying RodgersOut mate. I support the guy. Just like I supported Puel, Ranieri & Pearson. All had flaws and merits, just like Rodgers. Rodgers is a good manager for us, but not a great world class manager like we're being told by large sections of the media.

 

Also, West Ham may have a bigger wage bill but our squad is far superior. They play Michail ****ing Antonio up front, who would struggle to make our subs bench. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Nobody is saying RodgersOut mate. I support the guy. Just like I supported Puel, Ranieri & Pearson. All had flaws and merits, just like Rodgers. Rodgers is a good manager for us, but not a great world class manager like we're being told by large sections of the media.

 

Also, West Ham may have a bigger wage bill but our squad is far superior. They play Michail ****ing Antonio up front, who would struggle to make our subs bench. 

No but you're specifically making out like we should win every game and even a slight blip should raise discussion about our manager being overrated.

 

We're competing against squads with players on their bench who'd arguably be some of our best players (United, Chelsea, city), sides who are only competing on one front (West ham) and a side who were so far ahead of everyone last year. Even Spurs have a far deeper squad than us and a striker who's one of the best of all time yet are 7 points behind us. Yes it's frustrating but some perspective is needed, this isn't a 'small time' mentality - this is just what we're faced with. There will inevitably be ebbs and flows but we're very much on the way up - Rodgers is a seriously good manager, there are about 2 premier league managers I'd say we're definitely better than him, out of the rest there's virtually no one I'd swap him for. That's not claiming he's world class, I'd argue only Pep and Klopp are but every manager has faults. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

5 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Nobody is saying RodgersOut mate. I support the guy. Just like I supported Puel, Ranieri & Pearson. All had flaws and merits, just like Rodgers. Rodgers is a good manager for us, but not a great world class manager like we're being told by large sections of the media.

 

Also, West Ham may have a bigger wage bill but our squad is far superior. They play Michail ****ing Antonio up front, who would struggle to make our subs bench. 

And your point about Antonio is ridiculous. He'd most definitely make most premier league squads bench and probably starting 11s. I'm pretty sure most premier league centre backs would disagree with your point too.

[Guest Col city fan]

5 hours ago, Koke said:

 

Nobody is saying RodgersOut mate. I support the guy. Just like I supported Puel, Ranieri & Pearson. All had flaws and merits, just like Rodgers. Rodgers is a good manager for us, but not a great world class manager like we're being told by large sections of the media.

 

Also, West Ham may have a bigger wage bill but our squad is far superior. They play Michail ****ing Antonio up front, who would struggle to make our subs bench. 

I usually agree with you mate but not on Antonio. He’s a fookin handful and I doubt any Prem CB’s relish coming up against him.

[foxinsocks]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

I usually agree with you mate but not on Antonio. He’s a fookin handful and I doubt any Prem CB’s relish coming up against him.

I liked him when he was a Wednesday - and thought we should have bought him on promotion tot he pl... but he got injured.   WE need an option of a big CF on the  shoulders of of their CBs

[foxinsocks]

IMO we need the psychologist back

[moore_94]

20 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

IMO we need the psychologist back

Need to get the monks into the new training ground 

Edited 14 April 2021 by moore_94