The “ I’ve got something to say, but it doesn’t warrant its own thread “ thread.

[davieG]

Isn't it about time the 'shoulder charge' was outlawed to me it's become a foul by another name and so subjective and complicated.

 

To me its two players running side by side competing for control of the ball which is within reach. I don't see that very often.

 

In association football (soccer), a shoulder charge—often called a "fair charge"—is a legal physical tactic used to compete for the ball or gain space. It is entirely permitted under the official laws of the game, provided it meets specific rules regarding contact, force, and proximity to the ball. [1, 2, 3]

Legal Shoulder Charges

For a shoulder charge to be deemed legal by a referee, it must strictly adhere to the following conditions: [1, 2]

• Shoulder-to-Shoulder Contact: The primary impact must be made shoulder-to-shoulder. Charging an opponent in the back or chest is an automatic foul. [1, 2, 3]
• Ball Proximity: Both players must be actively competing for the ball, and the ball must be within "playing distance" (roughly one stride). [1, 2]
• Tucked Arms: Your arms must be kept tucked tightly against your body (elbows in). You cannot extend your arms, push with your hands, or use your forearms to shove the opponent. [1, 2]
• Footing: Both players must have at least one foot planted on the ground; flying or jumping into a shoulder charge is considered dangerous play and a foul. [1, 2]

When a Shoulder Charge Becomes a Foul

Many players incorrectly assume that any contact involving the shoulder is permitted. Referees will blow the whistle and award a free kick if: [1, 2]

• Excessive Force is Used: Charging a stationary or unaware player at a full sprint is deemed reckless or dangerous.
• Disproportionate Strength: Much larger players must be careful not to use overwhelming momentum against smaller players, which can be called as a foul.
• Arms are Extended: Pushing, extending the elbow, or using a "stiff arm" crosses the line from a legal barge into an illegal push.
• The Ball is Too Far: Initiating contact when the ball is outside playing distance constitutes obstruction or an illegal charge. [1, 2, 3, 5]

[Free Falling Foxes]

2 hours ago, davieG said:

Isn't it about time the 'shoulder charge' was outlawed to me it's become a foul by another name and so subjective and complicated.

 

Now that JV has move on, I agree. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

22 hours ago, davieG said:

Isn't it about time the 'shoulder charge' was outlawed to me it's become a foul by another name and so subjective and complicated.

 

To me its two players running side by side competing for control of the ball which is within reach. I don't see that very often.

 

In association football (soccer), a shoulder charge—often called a "fair charge"—is a legal physical tactic used to compete for the ball or gain space. It is entirely permitted under the official laws of the game, provided it meets specific rules regarding contact, force, and proximity to the ball. [1, 2, 3]

 

Legal Shoulder Charges

For a shoulder charge to be deemed legal by a referee, it must strictly adhere to the following conditions: [1, 2]

• Shoulder-to-Shoulder Contact: The primary impact must be made shoulder-to-shoulder. Charging an opponent in the back or chest is an automatic foul. [1, 2, 3]
• Ball Proximity: Both players must be actively competing for the ball, and the ball must be within "playing distance" (roughly one stride). [1, 2]
• Tucked Arms: Your arms must be kept tucked tightly against your body (elbows in). You cannot extend your arms, push with your hands, or use your forearms to shove the opponent. [1, 2]
• Footing: Both players must have at least one foot planted on the ground; flying or jumping into a shoulder charge is considered dangerous play and a foul. [1, 2]

 

When a Shoulder Charge Becomes a Foul

Many players incorrectly assume that any contact involving the shoulder is permitted. Referees will blow the whistle and award a free kick if: [1, 2]

• Excessive Force is Used: Charging a stationary or unaware player at a full sprint is deemed reckless or dangerous.
• Disproportionate Strength: Much larger players must be careful not to use overwhelming momentum against smaller players, which can be called as a foul.
• Arms are Extended: Pushing, extending the elbow, or using a "stiff arm" crosses the line from a legal barge into an illegal push.
• The Ball is Too Far: Initiating contact when the ball is outside playing distance constitutes obstruction or an illegal charge. [1, 2, 3, 5]

I think it's incorrectly called a shoulder "charge", more of a bump, at least if you want to keep it legal.

 

I would be difficult to get rid of without making football entirely non-contact.

[Free Falling Foxes]

I've seen far, far fewer flats being flown from houses and cars so far this world Cup. In fact, I saw my first car this morning,  that had a St Georges Cross fluttering in the breeze as it went past.

This applies to houses too. In previous world cups, there have been plenty showing their colours hanging from upstairs window sills and so on.

I hope it isn't a consequence of folk being reluctant to fly the flag after all the negative spin that's been placed on it in recent times.

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I've seen far, far fewer flats being flown from houses and cars so far this world Cup. In fact, I saw my first car this morning,  that had a St Georges Cross fluttering in the breeze as it went past.

This applies to houses too. In previous world cups, there have been plenty showing their colours hanging from upstairs window sills and so on.

I hope it isn't a consequence of folk being reluctant to fly the flag after all the negative spin that's been placed on it in recent times.

I think a lot of people have put flags out recently in spite of any spin. 

 

My own thoughts is it's quite a bit because of simple apathy towards this particular tournament based on how corrupt both FIFA and the hosts have been shown to be. (That might not be much different to the past couple of iterations of the WC, but it's certainly more public this time.)

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

I've seen far, far fewer flats being flown from houses and cars so far this world Cup. In fact, I saw my first car this morning,  that had a St Georges Cross fluttering in the breeze as it went past.

This applies to houses too. In previous world cups, there have been plenty showing their colours hanging from upstairs window sills and so on.

I hope it isn't a consequence of folk being reluctant to fly the flag after all the negative spin that's been placed on it in recent times.

 

40 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I think a lot of people have put flags out recently in spite of any spin. 

 

My own thoughts is it's quite a bit because of simple apathy towards this particular tournament based on how corrupt both FIFA and the hosts have been shown to be. (That might not be much different to the past couple of iterations of the WC, but it's certainly more public this time.)

Suspect the world cup didn't really feel real until recent days and with England not having started yet maybe people aren't yet feeling it. 

 

That said, flag flying doesn't feel like a fun way to support your country right now. It's been hugely politicised by the same people complaining about it's politicisation, as somebody else put far more eloquently than I on another thread recently. 

[The Bear]

My neighbor across the road always has his big St George's flag hanging from the upstairs window and bunting across his house for every major tournament. 

[grobyfox1990]

The best part of this world cup is the individual goal song per country. Whoever thought of that is a genius

[Blarmy]

2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

The best part of this world cup is the individual goal song per country. Whoever thought of that is a genius

Probably the person flogging the music licensing deal. 

[Rubbersoul]

I think a lot of people get unnecessarily worked up about the three lions song or at least don’t get it 

Edited Thursday at 13:33 by Rubbersoul

[CornwallFox]

Spend £14m "fixing" a large reflecting pool with supposed American flag blue paint.

Algae blooms ruin the pool.

Try to fix it with hydrogen peroxide. 

The hydrogen peroxide pulls all the paint off the pool. 

Wonderful to see.

[leicsmac]

18 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Spend £14m "fixing" a large reflecting pool with supposed American flag blue paint.

Algae blooms ruin the pool.

Try to fix it with hydrogen peroxide. 

The hydrogen peroxide pulls all the paint off the pool. 

Wonderful to see.

All the scientific knowhow one would expect of this administration. 

[Free Falling Foxes]

My GP surgery keeps reminding me to complete the questionnaire they sent me (text) asking about the service they offer and if I am satisfied. All registered patients are being asked for their views.

They assure you your feedback is anonymous and that no personal details are noted/collected.

If submissions are totally anonymous, how come they know I haven't responded?

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Free Falling Foxes

[Footballwipe]

Thought this story was as worrying as it was wild. https://www.facebook.com/birmingham.live/posts/pfbid0djPJ2NY4dRUJQKNZdStEb8sdtyfWJha3no98k3otXZ1qHjuQi9HqjCVxARzAJbWml?__tn__=%2CO*F

 

Isn't there such a thing as a proportional response? The bully is a horrible arse, but essentially this grown adult has phoned a child and threatened to "burn your house, I will stab your family and I will slit all your family's necks."

 

And yet the internet seems fine for a grown man to do this to a child because the child was a bully?

 

I guess I could be seen as condoning bullying but I hope people see what I mean. Jesus christ I can't believe we're in peak "protect are kids" era but people are fine with adults threatening children with muder.

[Innovindil]

35 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

Thought this story was as worrying as it was wild. https://www.facebook.com/birmingham.live/posts/pfbid0djPJ2NY4dRUJQKNZdStEb8sdtyfWJha3no98k3otXZ1qHjuQi9HqjCVxARzAJbWml?__tn__=%2CO*F

 

Isn't there such a thing as a proportional response? The bully is a horrible arse, but essentially this grown adult has phoned a child and threatened to "burn your house, I will stab your family and I will slit all your family's necks."

 

And yet the internet seems fine for a grown man to do this to a child because the child was a bully?

 

I guess I could be seen as condoning bullying but I hope people see what I mean. Jesus christ I can't believe we're in peak "protect are kids" era but people are fine with adults threatening children with muder.

Someone bullies my daughter and I'd probably do the same in all honesty.

 

A lot of these bullies go through life completely unchallenged and end up being arsehole adults too. 

 

Don't think words are unacceptable, if he'd have actually done what he was threatening, then yeah, too far.

[ajthefox]

1 hour ago, Innovindil said:

Someone bullies my daughter and I'd probably do the same in all honesty.

 

A lot of these bullies go through life completely unchallenged and end up being arsehole adults too. 

 

Don't think words are unacceptable, if he'd have actually done what he was threatening, then yeah, too far.

Seriously?

 

I think his restraining order and suspended sentence is probably about right if he has no record of violent behaviour but that said, I am a bit taken aback that you think threatening to burn their house and slit their throats is acceptable.

 

Stick up for your child by all means, going to their house and some stern words is certainly understandable but that is too far. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

3 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

My GP surgery keeps reminding me to complete the questionnaire they sent me (text) asking about the service they offer and if I am satisfied. All registered patients are being asked for their views.

They assure you your feedback is anonymous and that no personal details are noted/collected.

If submissions are totally anonymous, how come they know I haven't responded?

 

It anonymous in that it doesn't have your name on it but doesn't mean they don't know it's you. 

 

Reminds me of surveys at work and how happy you are etc, they know exactly who responded and in what way.

[Innovindil]

1 hour ago, ajthefox said:

Seriously?

 

I think his restraining order and suspended sentence is probably about right if he has no record of violent behaviour but that said, I am a bit taken aback that you think threatening to burn their house and slit their throats is acceptable.

 

Stick up for your child by all means, going to their house and some stern words is certainly understandable but that is too far. 

Dead serious.

 

Bullies disgust me tbh. Far more than a fathers overreaction trying to protect his kid ever will. Especially since just from what I read on that post, I have no idea what his daughter even went through.

 

My missus was bullied through her teenage years, she's 40 this year and still has thoughts about it that upset her. Over 2 decades later.

 

Last year we delt with my nephew (who's 13) getting bullied at school, where some kid kept "whipping" him with a stick. Poor lad looked like he'd just escaped the slave trade with lashings down his back and legs.

 

So no, i fear I am all out of sympathy for bullies. **** em. Hopefully the one that dad threatened thinks twice next time.

[The Blur]

3 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

My GP surgery keeps reminding me to complete the questionnaire they sent me (text) asking about the service they offer and if I am satisfied. All registered patients are being asked for their views.

They assure you your feedback is anonymous and that no personal details are noted/collected.

If submissions are totally anonymous, how come they know I haven't responded?

 

 

Just could be just generic chasing email.  I doubt GP surgeries have a sophisticated IT system to issue individual reminders nor the staff/time to do so.  

 

On another note,  I saw two travelling caravans recently and wondered why the councils do not set out designated sites for travellers.   Saves on all eviction butthurt etc.   

[The Blur]

4 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Dead serious.

 

Bullies disgust me tbh. Far more than a fathers overreaction trying to protect his kid ever will. Especially since just from what I read on that post, I have no idea what his daughter even went through.

 

My missus was bullied through her teenage years, she's 40 this year and still has thoughts about it that upset her. Over 2 decades later.

 

Last year we delt with my nephew (who's 13) getting bullied at school, where some kid kept "whipping" him with a stick. Poor lad looked like he'd just escaped the slave trade with lashings down his back and legs.

 

So no, i fear I am all out of sympathy for bullies. **** em. Hopefully the one that dad threatened thinks twice next time.

 

 

First of all.   My sympathies with your wife and nephew. 

 

I think that is a simplistic take although.  If we condone that kind of behaviour then that would bleed into other elements of the society.   I do agree that bullies sometimes do need good kick up the arse rather than substandard talk in head's office.  

[bovril]

Watching old highlights on youtube, Tony Gubba really was king of the recorded-two-weeks-later-for-GOTM commentary. 

[Parafox]

1 hour ago, The Blur said:

 

Just could be just generic chasing email.  I doubt GP surgeries have a sophisticated IT system to issue individual reminders nor the staff/time to do so.  

 

On another note,  I saw two travelling caravans recently and wondered why the councils do not set out designated sites for travellers.   Saves on all eviction butthurt etc.   

I think they do?

 

Certainly the sites I have had the misfortune to attend had spaces for travelling vans as well as statics.

[The Blur]

41 minutes ago, Parafox said:

I think they do?

 

Certainly the sites I have had the misfortune to attend had spaces for travelling vans as well as statics.

 

Fair enough,  it is first I have heard of it if that is the case.  

[Corky]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

Watching old highlights on youtube, Tony Gubba really was king of the recorded-two-weeks-later-for-GOTM commentary. 

When Match of the Day had only a couple of main matches, it allowed the commentator to express themselves more and it felt less rushed, too.

[bovril]

44 minutes ago, Corky said:

When Match of the Day had only a couple of main matches, it allowed the commentator to express themselves more and it felt less rushed, too.

Yeah but that 90 seconds we used to get at 11.30 wasn't great