Formula 1 2021

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Always thought f1 was a boring and shit sport.

 

Watched yesterday and thought it was actually a really good and exciting spectacle.

 

Now, some people are arguing for a conclusion of the season in a court. How ****ing weird is that.

 

Mercedes lost. Get over it.

[Guest Manini]

12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Always thought f1 was a boring and shit sport.

 

Watched yesterday and thought it was actually a really good and exciting spectacle.

 

Now, some people are arguing for a conclusion of the season in a court. How ****ing weird is that.

 

Mercedes lost. Get over it.

I think over the course of the season, Max just about edged it. Hamilton put the pressure on when it mattered and was an animal over the last 4/5 races, but ultimately a slow start cost him whilst Max was consistently fast. Yesterday in isolation was a bit mental, but over the course of the season the best man won, he’s a phenomenal talent. 
 

I expect Mercedes to turn up in the rocket car from The Simpson’s next season. 

Edited 13 December 2021 by Manini

[Asha]

It’ll be interesting to see how much Red Bull and Merc were compromised by fighting for the title when everyone else gave up and starting focusing on 2022 from about the beginning of the season. 
 

No excuses for Ferrari, McLaren, Aston Martin etc not to be more competitive 

[UniFox21]

10 minutes ago, Asha said:

It’ll be interesting to see how much Red Bull and Merc were compromised by fighting for the title when everyone else gave up and starting focusing on 2022 from about the beginning of the season. 
 

No excuses for Ferrari, McLaren, Aston Martin etc not to be more competitive 

For sure, I really want to see the middle order push on and be more competitive next year.  We have some great drivers there who could really cause some issues

[ClaphamFox]

43 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Always thought f1 was a boring and shit sport.

 

Watched yesterday and thought it was actually a really good and exciting spectacle.

 

Now, some people are arguing for a conclusion of the season in a court. How ****ing weird is that.

 

Mercedes lost. Get over it.

They lost at the whim of the race director. There’s something very ****ing weird about that, too.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

20 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

They lost at the whim of the race director. There’s something very ****ing weird about that, too.

That's a VERY one eyed view.

[Fox in the North]

55 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Always thought f1 was a boring and shit sport.

 

Watched yesterday and thought it was actually a really good and exciting spectacle.

 

Now, some people are arguing for a conclusion of the season in a court. How ****ing weird is that.

 

Mercedes lost. Get over it.

But was it exciting because of racing or was it exciting because of artificial drama?

 

Im not overly bothered that Mercedes lost, just for the pinnacle of racing, it’s a shame that it ended in that manner.

 

I know there have been antics going on all season, but does that finale sit right with you? It just felt a bit crap that racing didn’t ultimately decide the winner.

[Captain...]

7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

That's a VERY one eyed view.

It's not, if normal protocol had been followed the race would almost definitely have finished under the safety car and Hamilton would have won. The race director made 1 unprecedented but understandable decision to allow the race to finish under race conditions, then after pressure from Horner changed the decision to something that served no purpose other than to hand a massive advantage to one team.

[ClaphamFox]

19 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

That's a VERY one eyed view.

In any other race, they’d have finished under the safety car. The only reason they didn’t on this occasion is because Christian Horner was in Michael Masi’s ear, putting huge pressure on him to restart. At one point Horner said, “We only need one lap!” - he knew, of course, that Verstappen’s harder tyres would be enough to see him through. Masi pathetically crumbled under Horner’s bullying and gifted Verstappen the race. Utterly pathetic and I hope he does the decent thing and resign as race director - he is clearly well short of being able to do the job. 

Edited 13 December 2021 by ClaphamFox

[Raj]

7 minutes ago, Captain... said:

It's not, if normal protocol had been followed the race would almost definitely have finished under the safety car and Hamilton would have won. The race director made 1 unprecedented but understandable decision to allow the race to finish under race conditions, then after pressure from Horner changed the decision to something that served no purpose other than to hand a massive advantage to one team.

 

1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said:

In any other race, they’d have finished under the safety car. The only reason they didn’t on this occasion is because Christian Horner was in Michael Masi’s ear, putting huge pressure on him to restart. At one point Horner said, “We only need one lap!” - he that Verstappen’s harder tyres would be enough to see him through. Masi pathetically crumbled under Horner’s bullying and gifted Verstappen the race. Utterly pathetic and I hope he does the decent thing and resign as race director - he is clearly well short of being able to do the job. 

Nailed it both.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

12 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

In any other race, they’d have finished under the safety car. The only reason they didn’t on this occasion is because Christian Horner was in Michael Masi’s ear, putting huge pressure on him to restart. At one point Horner said, “We only need one lap!” - he knew, of course, that Verstappen’s harder tyres would be enough to see him through. Masi pathetically crumbled under Horner’s bullying and gifted Verstappen the race. Utterly pathetic and I hope he does the decent thing and resign as race director - he is clearly well short of being able to do the job. 

So you didn't get your way and you want the referee to resign?

 

Sounds exactly like Ferguson, Klopp and all the salty managers that don't get their way 🤣🤣🤣

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Always thought f1 was a boring and shit sport.

 

Watched yesterday and thought it was actually a really good and exciting spectacle.

 

Now, some people are arguing for a conclusion of the season in a court. How ****ing weird is that.

 

Mercedes lost. Get over it.

Sorry and this is gonna sound condescending but some of us have watched this sport for years. Yes it added excitement, but it was pure manufactured and went against the rules that were in place. If they want to bring in more fans by doing this fair enough, but the hardcore support won’t be around for long if they carry on pulling stunts like that.   
 

As others have said, it’s like ignoring the handball rule or something in extra time to give the advantage to one football team, we’d all rightly be going mad if that occurred (regardless of which team it happened against). 

[reporterpenguin]

2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

So you didn't get your way and you want the referee to resign?

 

Sounds exactly like Ferguson, Klopp and all the salty managers that don't get their way 🤣🤣🤣

That's not really what they're saying. The race director chose to not apply the rules which changed how the end of the race panned out.

 

It'd be like the referee in football deciding not to apply the handball rule for the last 5 minutes of a game without telling anyone because it would make it more exciting.

 

[ClaphamFox]

2 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Sorry and this is gonna sound condescending but some of us have watched this sport for years. Yes it added excitement, but it was pure manufactured and went against the rules that were in place. If they want to bring in more fans by doing this fair enough, but the hardcore support won’t be around for long if they carry on pulling stunts like that.   
 

As others have said, it’s like ignoring the handball rule or something in extra time to give the advantage to one football team, we’d all rightly be going mad if that occurred (regardless of which team it happened against). 

It’s worse than that. It’s like getting to 85mins with one team 3-0 ahead, then the ref saying “Ok lads - next goal

wins. And to make it interesting we’ll make the winning team play with nine men…”

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

Can I just say I've all of a sudden become a big fan of f1. 

[snoopy87]

1 hour ago, Asha said:

It’ll be interesting to see how much Red Bull and Merc were compromised by fighting for the title when everyone else gave up and starting focusing on 2022 from about the beginning of the season. 
 

No excuses for Ferrari, McLaren, Aston Martin etc not to be more competitive 

This is an excellent point and one I hope comes to fruition. 

 

I think Red Bull will be a flogged horse next year as they've put all their eggs in this year's basket, knowing it was probably their only chance. That and they'll have their own engine to look after with no previous knowledge of doing so.

 

Merc, maybe will be a bit more prepared as they had a whole half a season the year before to prepare, that 20' car has to go down in history as the best to hit the track.

 

Maybe reading too much into it, but with how MacLaren fell off a cliff edge mid season, maybe they just wrote this year off and have fully prepared for next year.  They certainly have the driver line up, with a good car, they could challenge the front.

 

Ferrari and Aston, who knows, strong finish from the fezzers, and have shown at certain tracks they have the one lap pace, just depends on if they've built a solid car to the new regs. The engine is about there 

[The Bear]

3 hours ago, Raj said:

At the end of the day if Max Masi didnt feck up with the " rules" and not really knowing what to implement,  Hamilton would have easily still won the race.

Ermm"You cant let the unlapped cars through"...1 minute later..."Let them through"

 

 

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Masi should have let all the lapped cars through on the first safety car lap. But he thought the race was going to finish under the safety car so there was no point. Then Horner got to work on him saying that this is not a satisfactory way to finish the WC and masi thought a bit and changed his mind. The fact he only let the cars between max and Lewis clear is evidence that he was convinced to allow a one lap race for the title.  Mercedes should have done more to convince masi that finishing under the safety car was fairest given the situation at the time of the accident. they are able to hear what red bull are saying and they stopped the ball, thinking that masi wouldn’t change his mind. 
 

max is not to blame and he deserves the title as much as Lewis would have. 

I wanted Hamilton to win, and I thought he deserved to, but the above isn't correct. 

 

The race director has a duty to clear whatever incident has happened and make sure the track is safe to race on first. Then he can think about the lapped cars and get the race back underway. That's why he told Horner to wait while he cleared the incident. And also why the "No cars to unlap themselves" message was displayed.

 

Once he'd sorted that out he changed his mind and allowed lapped cars to unlap themselves. The only issue is his decision to pick and and choose what cars to unlap themselves, which is wooly at best. 

 

He did it because he wanted the race to finish under Green conditions, and if he'd told the other back markers to unlap themselves then he might not have been able to get the safety car in on time for a final lap. 

 

He basically took the general agreement of the FIA and the teams that they'd try and have the championship finish under racing conditions, and decided to massively disadvantage one of the contenders by forcing that situation against his better judgement. 

 

The common sense approach was to just admit that he couldn't do that without bending the rules. At any other race that's what would have happened and the race would have finished behind the safety car. 

 

Masi deserves 100% of the blame and the shit coming his way. He's out of his depth in that role, but the FIA won't get rid of him as that will make them look bad and be an admission he cocked it up. 

Edited 13 December 2021 by The Bear

[LiberalFox]

Not allowing the cars between Sainz and Verstappen to unlap themselves is a bit ridiculous and really gave Max an unfair advantage. 

[Brainy]

Yes Sainz wouldn't have realistically competed for the win but the decision to leave a lapped car(s) between him and the leaders shows that every decision made during the safety car period was with only Hamilton, Verstappen and the spectacle at the forefront. Nobody else mattered. 

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, Walkers said:

Yes Sainz wouldn't have realistically competed for the win but the decision to leave a lapped car(s) between him and the leaders shows that every decision made during the safety car period was with only Hamilton, Verstappen and the spectacle at the forefront. Nobody else mattered. 

Absolutely, and that decision just left hamilton a sitting duck… that wasn’t letting them race. The right decision would have been to red flag it, and have a direct race for those last 5 laps. Masi should be sacked. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

2 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Absolutely, and that decision just left hamilton a sitting duck… that wasn’t letting them race. The right decision would have been to red flag it, and have a direct race for those last 5 laps. Masi should be sacked. 

He was a sitting duck because he didn't pit, Masi shouldn't be making decisions based on the fact Merc gambled on the race finishing under SC. It didn't warrant a red flag.

 

 

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, The Horse's Mouth said:

He was a sitting duck because he didn't pit, Masi shouldn't be making decisions based on the fact Merc gambled on the race finishing under SC. It didn't warrant a red flag.

 

 

Well it should have finished under the safety car then… 

[jammie82uk]

3 minutes ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Absolutely, and that decision just left hamilton a sitting duck… that wasn’t letting them race. The right decision would have been to red flag it, and have a direct race for those last 5 laps. Masi should be sacked. 

But there was no reason to red flag the race 

[foxes_rule1978]

Just now, jammie82uk said:

But there was no reason to red flag the race 

There was to ensure it didn’t finish under the safety car and rules weren’t broken like only letting through some lapped cars 

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, foxes_rule1978 said:

Well it should have finished under the safety car then… 

But you're just clutching at straws here rather than looking at it objectively. Honestly the restart the only people that can feel aggrieved were Sainz & Vettel(?)