Muzzy_no7 Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 I know we have games in hand but the fact we are only 1 point ahead of a proper cr*p Newcastle side is frankly embarrassing. I really don’t want Brendan and his merry men rebuilding this side, they cannot be trusted.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: Repeating what I said at the end of the match day thread, I think we just need to accept that incidents like Newcastle and Everton are going to be part of the Brendan Rodgers experience and will be part of our DNA until he leaves. It's why he's probably peaked here, why we fluffed the Champions League twice and why we've done fairly poorly in the Europa League. He just doesn't foster strength of character and confidence in a squad. He's got plenty of strengths as a manager, which is why we were in the running for fourth place finishes twice in a row and why we've won the FA Cup. Clearly he's not a shit manager, he's probably one of the best we've had and I don't doubt that if he's allowed to continue we'll probably rally next season and get back to being top 6/7. More often than not I think he's going to deliver par for the quality of the squad. Even this year, when you factor in the injuries, I'd say he's probably done that. He's just never going to take us to the next level. He's not ever going to be the guy that the players give that extra ten percent for, won't run through brick walls or jump through fire for. Every manager has strengths and weaknesses and if he had that sort of Peak-Mourinho, Jurgen Klopp, hell even PRIME Nigel quality of really inspiring devotion, confidence and tireless hard work in his players then he'd probably be at a much bigger club than us having a crack at the CL every year. He's found his level with a top half Premier League team. And maybe that's fine for him and us. I think if Top wants to try and make a regular crack of actually breaking the top four then he'd probably need a better manager but then I'm not sure our level of investment in the playing staff over the last few years makes that realistic, frankly, when you look at the power of teams already there. I think this is a very pragmatic take. You look around at the sides trying to take a crack at the top 6 and it's getting harder - Newcastle and villa will spend massive money in the summer. We don't have that investment so it'd be hard for us to improve on what we've got.
StriderHiryu Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 Saw this on Reddit today. Very depressing... 2 4 1
Will1981 Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 Just now, Muzzy_no7 said: I know we have games in hand but the fact we are only 1 point ahead of a proper cr*p Newcastle side is frankly embarrassing. I really don’t want Brendan and his merry men rebuilding this side, they cannot be trusted. the fact that we are 13 points behind the worst Man Utd team I have ever seen is truly embarrassing.
foxfanazer Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 5 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Repeating what I said at the end of the match day thread, I think we just need to accept that incidents like Newcastle and Everton are going to be part of the Brendan Rodgers experience and will be part of our DNA until he leaves. It's why he's probably peaked here, why we fluffed the Champions League twice and why we've done fairly poorly in the Europa League. He just doesn't foster strength of character and confidence in a squad. He's got plenty of strengths as a manager, which is why we were in the running for fourth place finishes twice in a row and why we've won the FA Cup. Clearly he's not a shit manager, he's probably one of the best we've had and I don't doubt that if he's allowed to continue we'll probably rally next season and get back to being top 6/7. More often than not I think he's going to deliver par for the quality of the squad. Even this year, when you factor in the injuries, I'd say he's probably done that. He's just never going to take us to the next level. He's not ever going to be the guy that the players give that extra ten percent for, won't run through brick walls or jump through fire for. Every manager has strengths and weaknesses and if he had that sort of Peak-Mourinho, Jurgen Klopp, hell even PRIME Nigel quality of really inspiring devotion, confidence and tireless hard work in his players then he'd probably be at a much bigger club than us having a crack at the CL every year. He's found his level with a top half Premier League team. And maybe that's fine for him and us. I think if Top wants to try and make a regular crack of actually breaking the top four then he'd probably need a better manager but then I'm not sure our level of investment in the playing staff over the last few years makes that realistic, frankly, when you look at the power of teams already there.
Bazly Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 I think BR will be gone in the Autumn if the great rebuild goes as well as last Summers influx.
Happy Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 If what @Chocolate Teapothas alluded to with no money from the owners for the Summer transfer window , and the money will have to be generated from player sales, it’s not really a great endorsement for Rodgers is it?
AKCJ Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 11 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Which chances?? Despite periods of some really lovely football we just didn’t create chances. Maddison had a great chance in both halves, I can't remember which player had the ball (I think Lookman) at one point where Maddison was completely open with a tap in had he got his head up and a chance where Maddison had the ball with KDH waiting on his own at the edge of the area with Pickford stranded. Also Fofana's free header that he put wide.
foxfanazer Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 A great coach should give you the edge in games. Ours actively costs us points 3
Finnegan Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 8 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Saw this on Reddit today. Very depressing... @AKCJ wrote out a really long list the other week (I think it was AKCJ?) of collapses and meltdowns under Rodgers that already could be several entries longer. If he can find it to repost, it'd make an interesting - if probably too controversial and depressing for @Mark to allow long term - pinned thread at the top of the forum to keep track of. 2
Fox92 Posted 21 April 2022 Author Posted 21 April 2022 1 minute ago, Happy Fox said: If what @Chocolate Teapothas alluded to with no money from the owners for the Summer transfer window , and the money will have to be generated from player sales, it’s not really a great endorsement for Rodgers is it? It's been like that for years.
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 Just wish he'd take the handbrake off. We don't play well until we're essentially forced to, like away at PSV. He's basically just a slightly upmarket Puel.
StanSP Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 31 minutes ago, BenTheFox said: Usually a draw at Everton is a decent result, but they were and are absolutely terrible. I would be amazed if Liverpool put less than five past them this weekend. With their CL semi final game a few days later I imagine they won't be as strong. Having said that your point probably still stands
AKCJ Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 19 minutes ago, Finnegan said: @AKCJ wrote out a really long list the other week (I think it was AKCJ?) of collapses and meltdowns under Rodgers that already could be several entries longer. If he can find it to repost, it'd make an interesting - if probably too controversial and depressing for @Mark to allow long term - pinned thread at the top of the forum to keep track of. I was literally just reading it when I got this notification. https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/127910-head-losses-following-a-lack-of-leadershipcalming-voice/
John rayner Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 10 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: I don't understand how people see it any way other than this. Spot on ,at least you can see that BR,is the best manager we have had ,and your point is very true ,I never thought we could achieve so much in 3 years ,BR has done a fantastic job,and long may it continues, there is no one out there better than BR,
BKLFox Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 17 minutes ago, 5waller5 said: Which chances?? Despite periods of some really lovely football we just didn’t create chances. Is that on the manager? Is he training them to play lovely football. get up the pitch & then turn around & do it again?
Daggers Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 12 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Repeating what I said at the end of the match day thread, I think we just need to accept that incidents like Newcastle and Everton are going to be part of the Brendan Rodgers experience and will be part of our DNA until he leaves. It's why he's probably peaked here, why we fluffed the Champions League twice and why we've done fairly poorly in the Europa League. He just doesn't foster strength of character and confidence in a squad. He's got plenty of strengths as a manager, which is why we were in the running for fourth place finishes twice in a row and why we've won the FA Cup. Clearly he's not a shit manager, he's probably one of the best we've had and I don't doubt that if he's allowed to continue we'll probably rally next season and get back to being top 6/7. More often than not I think he's going to deliver par for the quality of the squad. Even this year, when you factor in the injuries, I'd say he's probably done that. He's just never going to take us to the next level. He's not ever going to be the guy that the players give that extra ten percent for, won't run through brick walls or jump through fire for. Every manager has strengths and weaknesses and if he had that sort of Peak-Mourinho, Jurgen Klopp, hell even PRIME Nigel quality of really inspiring devotion, confidence and tireless hard work in his players then he'd probably be at a much bigger club than us having a crack at the CL every year. He's found his level with a top half Premier League team. And maybe that's fine for him and us. I think if Top wants to try and make a regular crack of actually breaking the top four then he'd probably need a better manager but then I'm not sure our level of investment in the playing staff over the last few years makes that realistic, frankly, when you look at the power of teams already there. All very depressingly true.
StanSP Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 13 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Saw this on Reddit today. Very depressing... That Spurs one still hurts! 4 minutes ago, Happy Fox said: If what @Chocolate Teapothas alluded to with no money from the owners for the Summer transfer window , and the money will have to be generated from player sales, it’s not really a great endorsement for Rodgers is it? With a stadium expansion on the horizons, difficult financial times and a new training ground, is it any reason funds might be low? We can't spend as much as about 6 or 7 other teams in the league. That's just the reality of it. We aren't generally a massive spending club. I don't get how that can be laid at Rodgers' door? Why is it not a great endorsement for him?
AKCJ Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 13 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: I think this is a very pragmatic take. You look around at the sides trying to take a crack at the top 6 and it's getting harder - Newcastle and villa will spend massive money in the summer. We don't have that investment so it'd be hard for us to improve on what we've got. I don't think there's enough money in the world to take Villa and Newcastle up to our level in one transfer window (assuming we rid ourselves of the injury plague that has haunted us for two calendar years now). Kasper Ricardo Fofana Evans Justin Ndidi Tielemans Maddison KDH Barnes Vardy That's a first 11 that would give anyone in the world a good game.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 12 minutes ago, Happy Fox said: If what @Chocolate Teapothas alluded to with no money from the owners for the Summer transfer window , and the money will have to be generated from player sales, it’s not really a great endorsement for Rodgers is it? Why is that any endorsement of Rodgers? Been the case for the last 4 out of 5 seasons and were planning a massive stadium extension.
1972 Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 1 hour ago, beepee1984 said: Rodgers is a great manager, but it is the same issues again and again Most games we have more possession, but less chances. Chances are more important than possession Classic overuse of the word great here.
Happy Fox Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 Just now, Chocolate Teapot said: Why is that any endorsement of Rodgers? Been the case for the last 4 out of 5 seasons and were planning a massive stadium extension. I mean in terms of backing, to be fair Rodgers has been well backed during his time here. But it’s clear to me from the outset the club doesn’t trust him with the transfer policy and is taking back control.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 Just now, Happy Fox said: I mean in terms of backing, to be fair Rodgers has been well backed during his time here. But it’s clear to me from the outset the club doesn’t trust him with the transfer policy and is taking back control. I think it'll be more telling when we find out who's got the recruitment gig - fair to say I doubt they'll listen to him on players anymore though
Daggers Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 3 minutes ago, StanSP said: We can't spend as much as about 6 or 7 other teams in the league. That's just the reality of it. We aren't generally a massive spending club. I don't get how that can be laid at Rodgers' door? Why is it not a great endorsement for him? This season, we spunked our budget on four players. Daka and Soumaré have been a let down, the other two have no right to call themselves footballers. This is on Rodgers - especially as Daka would have been a bigger success had we actually played to his strengths. So it’s not how much we spend, it’s how Rodgers spends it - and then what he does with the players he buys. 4
5waller5 Posted 21 April 2022 Posted 21 April 2022 16 minutes ago, BKLFox said: Is that on the manager? Is he training them to play lovely football. get up the pitch & then turn around & do it again? I'd say that is exactly what he's demanding .... Low risk possession football, don't make that killer risky pass if a low risk backwards pass is on. 1
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