Development/Youth Squads 2021/2022 Thread

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, The People's Hero said:

Correct. 

 

What have you heard on Wanya Marca and Alves?

 

 

Wanya Marca has a deal on the table but it hadn't yet been signed and I think his representatives got a story out in the papers a while ago that teams back in Portugal and in Europe wanted him. 

 

Alves I hadn't heard of any issues until I think it was a well known poster on here said there might be trouble at mill with him and the club. Rudkin though has supposedly been trying to line up a lucrative Pro deal for him for next year and to reassure him of his pathway here.

 

[Foxxed]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Wanya Marca has a deal on the table but it hadn't yet been signed and I think his representatives got a story out in the papers a while ago that teams back in Portugal and in Europe wanted him. 

 

Alves I hadn't heard of any issues until I think it was a well known poster on here said there might be trouble at mill with him and the club. Rudkin though has supposedly been trying to line up a lucrative Pro deal for him for next year and to reassure him of his pathway here.

 

The pathway assurance thing is funny. I was talking to a young footballer in 15/16 before the win. He told me we had a good reputation because of Schlupp and King and many young footballers were thinking about Leicester. Now we’re pushing for Champions League it seems to have gotten harder: we’re less likely going to risk an academy kid since we’ve been a point from Champions League the last couple of seasons. And the more popular the academy, the harder it all be to satisfy them all.  That said, Thomas, Taveras, and Daley-Campbell got minutes last season. I hope we use the FA and League cup to give the academy kids minutes, with our strongest squads left for Europa and the league.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Foxxed said:

The pathway assurance thing is funny. I was talking to a young footballer in 15/16 before the win. He told me we had a good reputation because of Schlupp and King and many young footballers were thinking about Leicester. Now we’re pushing for Champions League it seems to have gotten harder: we’re less likely going to risk an academy kid since we’ve been a point from Champions League the last couple of seasons. And the more popular the academy, the harder it all be to satisfy them all.  That said, Thomas, Taveras, and Daley-Campbell got minutes last season. I hope we use the FA and League cup to give the academy kids minutes, with our strongest squads left for Europa and the league.

It's more them playing U18's earlier, U23's earlier and possibly go on loan earlier. All things which were quite slow here but is getting better.

[Foxy-Lady]

On 26/06/2021 at 00:29, Aus Fox said:

Not really, if they go on to be at an equal or higher level than where the club sits at the time, it would have been a mistake to let them go. If not, then the club would be justified in letting them go.

 

 

I dont think the question here was whether released players had succeeded elsewhere.

Likelyhood is that if a players development has been stagnated in our U18s/U23s, it is unlikely they will suddenly recapture and make up for those lost years elsewhere.

 

The key question being asked was about the number of talented players that have entered into our academy system and then failed to fulfil their potential due to the poor quality of our development coaches.

The successful examples of Barnes, Chilwell and Thomas are always mentioned.....but they all managed to largely by-pass Beagleholes U23s.

 

What about the likes of Tee, Bosworth and Pascanu who all won the U18s Academy player of the season....... and then their careers effectively ended the following season? 

is it just coincidence that such promising award winning players then stop developing so quickly when they encounter Beaglehole?

 

Must be fabulous being in a job where you take the plaudits for any rare successes....................but the 99% failure rate is always the other persons fault. 

[moore_94]

Fixture Dates Confirmed For 2021/22 Papa John's Trophy

 

Fleetwood Town vs. LCFC Development Squad
Highbury Stadium
Tuesday 31 August
7:45pm kick-off

 

Accrington Stanley vs. LCFC Development Squad
Crown Ground
Tuesday 5 October
7:45pm kick-off

 

Barrow vs. LCFC Development Squad 
Holker Street
Tuesday 9 November 
7:45pm kick-off

 

https://www.lcfc.com/news/2180423/fixture-dates-confirmed-for-202122-papa-johns-trophy

[Lesta2014]

Looks like they were back training yesterday from Mitch Clark’s insta story. 

[Reginaldo]

Cole DaSilva appears to have signed for a Croatian side. Odd one this as he played quite a few games for us and now gone.

[Ric Flair]

54 minutes ago, Reginaldo said:

Cole DaSilva appears to have signed for a Croatian side. Odd one this as he played quite a few games for us and now gone.

He was filling in for us, very odd of us really to have brought him in to do so. He's 23 and was never going to be here on a proper contract.

[Reginaldo]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He was filling in for us, very odd of us really to have brought him in to do so. He's 23 and was never going to be here on a proper contract.

Agree. I guess they didn’t want to play ones recently let go or younger players but it doesn’t shout of ‘we will progress you’…

Edited 1 July 2021 by Reginaldo

[Ric Flair]

13 minutes ago, Reginaldo said:

Agree. I guess they didn’t want to play ones recently let go or younger players but it doesn’t shout of ‘we will progress you’…

Here's to another season of us taking over age players on trial from the likes of Port Vale to play for the U23's.

[moore_94]

 

 

Edited 1 July 2021 by moore_94

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

On 29/06/2021 at 11:08, moore_94 said:

Fixture Dates Confirmed For 2021/22 Papa John's Trophy

 

Fleetwood Town vs. LCFC Development Squad
Highbury Stadium
Tuesday 31 August
7:45pm kick-off

 

Accrington Stanley vs. LCFC Development Squad
Crown Ground
Tuesday 5 October
7:45pm kick-off

 

Barrow vs. LCFC Development Squad 
Holker Street
Tuesday 9 November 
7:45pm kick-off

 

https://www.lcfc.com/news/2180423/fixture-dates-confirmed-for-202122-papa-johns-trophy

Thanks for posting that, as I missed it. Two of those fixtures are very convenient for me so I’ll pop along no doubt.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

9 hours ago, moore_94 said:

 

 

I've heard lots of negative stuff from one player.

[coolhandfox]

23 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

He was filling in for us, very odd of us really to have brought him in to do so. He's 23 and was never going to be here on a proper contract.

It about putting out a team, most of the of the u23, u18 will be cheap fillers around 2-3 players the club think will make it. 

[UniFox21]

40 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

I've heard lots of negative stuff from one player.

What type of things do they say? 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

18 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

What type of things do they say? 

Mad that the 23s play so much rubbish compared to the first teams style and the emphasis on physicality is good for producing lower league players but not top level players.

 

Think that's what they aim for with 23s tbh or have done in the past. Saleable assets like josh Knight.

Edited 2 July 2021 by Chocolate Teapot

[UniFox21]

2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Mad that the 23s play so much rubbish compared to the first teams style and the emphasis on physicality is good for producing lower league players but not top level players.

 

Think that's what they aim for with 23s tbh or have done in the past. Saleable assets like josh Knight.

Almost like they aim to produce saleable assets whilst pushing any hopeful talent on loan or into the first team

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

31 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Almost like they aim to produce saleable assets whilst pushing any hopeful talent on loan or into the first team

Yep and if that's the aim then it's fine but we seem to have a challenge for ones that aren't quite ready and how do you send a player on loan that's only played y18s. The 23s football concept isn't a great one tbh. I get the approach but I think there should be more sync between  the first team and the 23s.

[volpeazzurro]

Ultimately, Seagrave, St George's Park and any other similar facilities that are deemed world class, whatever the expense, are mere buildings, gyms and fields without the very best of coaches, management and a clear and effective strategy. 

 

Our owners are undeniably ambitious and have their eye on the ball as does our recruiting infrastructure. The academy however seems to be less transparent ie is Beaglehole and his team up to the job? What is their brief? Are they supposed to be producing players for our first team or players for sale to make money? If it's the former, then logically their training, conditioning and playing style should mirror that required by our current manager. Some people are appearing to comment that the latter doesn't seem to be the case. If true that appears perplexing and needs addressing. Whilst fully accepting that players mature at different ages, we do seem to end up with a bunch of players that appear to go out on loan very late or not at all before disposed of. Winning Micky Mouse u23 or similar leagues and competions for example is nice but surely not a priority. Perhaps a bit more clarity is required together with suitable staff employed to achieve a clear set of aims.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Yep and if that's the aim then it's fine but we seem to have a challenge for ones that aren't quite ready and how do you send a player on loan that's only played y18s. The 23s football concept isn't a great one tbh. I get the approach but I think there should be more sync between  the first team and the 23s.

...and the Reserve team football did that mixing youngsters with squad members maintaining their fitness.

 

The Academies are just allow the richer clubs, and that's starting to include us to sweep up all the potential from the lower leagues which I'm not convinced was the intention or even the best idea.

Edited 2 July 2021 by davieG
Their not there

[Kilworthfox]

8 minutes ago, davieG said:

...and the Reserve team football did that mixing youngsters with squad members maintaining there fitness.

 

The Academies are just allow the richer clubs, and that's starting to include us to sweep up all the potential from the lower leagues which I'm not convinced was the intention or even the best idea.

It was the big clubs intention 100%

 

EPPP is bad for footballing balance. 

 

It's great for rich clubs to dominate. 

[Foxy-Lady]

12 hours ago, moore_94 said:

 

 

Not quite sure who rob tanners been speaking to....but its certainly not the players and LCFC coaches that i know

 

Reminds me of Boris protecting Matt Hancock......until the truth finally came out.

[UniFox21]

2 minutes ago, Foxy-Lady said:

Not quite sure who rob tanners been speaking to....but its certainly not the players and LCFC coaches that i know

 

Reminds me of Boris protecting Matt Hancock......until the truth finally came out.

Is Beaglehole having an affair with Rudkin? 

[Stuntman_Mike]

On 24/06/2021 at 16:40, moore_94 said:

 

Although I disagree with the format for this trophy, I'm all over that Barrow away game for the 92!

[Foxy-Lady]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

...and the Reserve team football did that mixing youngsters with squad members maintaining there fitness.

 

The Academies are just allow the richer clubs, and that's starting to include us to sweep up all the potential from the lower leagues which I'm not convinced was the intention or even the best idea.

I agree....but i think what made the situation worse was extending the U21s format to U23s to prevent too many players falling out of the game too early.

 

Very well intended change to try and protect player welfare..... but the reality is that if you're not good enough at 21 for first team or a loan move, its unlikely that will change by time you're 23.  And the adverse effect has been too many 22-23 year old players now blocking pathways for 18-19 year old players.

 

As harsh as it sounds, 21 was the ideal cut off-point for those players who were good enough to stay in the game to move on/up....and those that weren't to consider other potential career options.