If Rodgers Goes...

[sacreblueits442]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

Muzzy Larrsen?

...not Muzzy, he does not need a second account to give his opinions, he (@muzzy) is a "blue" you can tell, by his Freudian slips.

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

 

What a strange post.

 

So you are giving him no credit for us starting two seasons well and giving him all the blame for the tail off in form. 

 

So basically, you are saying when we are doing well, it's despite the manager. If we are doing poorly, it is because of the manager. I'd be interested in how you know this? 

 

So who was responsible for the excellent form at the start of 2019/20 and 20/21? 

No, I'm not quite saying that. If the team started the season well then, playing fast fluid pressing football, including a 9 nil win against Southampton and other fairly free scoring games, why do you then change tack a short time later? Surely having lost 9 nil, it was for Southampton to worry about us, more of the same would have been logical, no? Instead, he tinkers and we lose. Why when you play a poor Norwich City side who can't buy a goal let alone a win, do you set up and play as if you're entertaining Man City or Liverpool. Instead of sticking with a winning recipe, he was insistent in trying the sort of possession football/philosophy we're putting up with now. The season ended poorly. 

 

Start again the next season and again, with a bit of freedom we shoot into the top 4 yet again. However, rinse and repeat, when having a commanding lead and notwithstanding injuries, even against lesser teams, he reverts to type in setting up not to lose, hide in his shell instead of trying to win. 

 

His insistence on this possession based conrol freak game is killing us. You wonder at times if the team aren't better off without him because I still believe that at the start of the season we had the players to finish 5th. The loss of Fofana is tough but one player light is no excuse because JJ has been out for a long time now. Round pegs, round holes and tactics to suit would give a marked improvement imo.

Edited 9 November 2021 by volpeazzurro

[Matt_Lcfc]

Some real delusions of grandeur on this thread right now. I am as disappointed as everybody else with the start to the season,  but I think there is a lot to be said for the fact that the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. 
 

If people genuinely think that we’d attract a Ten Haag or a Zidane, then you’re genuinely deluded. And Potter? Got a lot of time for him but he has finished 15th twice and not his Brighton side have not won in five games. I really don’t think that he is some magical solution. 

 

The reality is this: he has guided us to two 5th place finishes, won us the FA Cup and been faced with a ridiculous amount of injuries this season. This, in my view, buys him until at least of the season unless we are in a relegation battle (which we won’t be). 

Edited 9 November 2021 by Matt_Lcfc

[foxinsocks]

10 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

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His insistence on a possession based conrol freak game is killing us. You wonder at times if the team aren't better off without him because I still believe that at the start of the season we had the players to finish 5th. The loss of Fofana is tough but one player light is no excuse because JJ has been out for a long time now. Round pegs, round holes and tactics to suit would give a marked improvement imo.

The obsession with possession.... how is it helping?  

How old are fofana and jj?  Yet the absence of these players is used as an excuse imo.

[Merging Cultures]

2 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

The obsession with possession.... how is it helping?  

How old are fofana and jj?  Yet the absence of these players is used as an excuse imo.

Agreed.

 

Thomas did well last season when he had to step in.

 

Soy needs to stop rushing in half way up the pitch and letting players get past him too easily.

 

But above all else, we need to work harder. The team are playing so slowly.

[Fox92]

2 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

If Rodgers goes, get Bobby Martinez and then we might have a chance at keeping Youri. 

.. We'd also be playing in the Championship.

[foxinsocks]

2 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said:

Agreed.

 

Thomas did well last season when he had to step in.

 

Soy needs to stop rushing in half way up the pitch and letting players get past him too easily.

 

But above all else, we need to work harder. The team are playing so slowly.

I watched van dijk on Sunday. He never lunges in... he waits and puts in the block or tackle when necessary.

Cags dives in to tackles and is then caught out of position.... too many times. He needs counselling 

[NasPb]

57 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I watched van dijk on Sunday. He never lunges in... he waits and puts in the block or tackle when necessary.

Cags dives in to tackles and is then caught out of position.... too many times. He needs counselling 

Cags dealing with a confidence crisis imo 

[coolhandfox]

55 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

No, I'm not quite saying that. If he starts the season well then, playing fast fluid pressing football, including a 9 nil win against Southampton and other fairly free scoring games, why do you change tack a short time later? Surely having lost 9 nil, it's for them to worry and us, more of the same? Why when you play a poor Norwich City side who can't buy a goal letting alone win, do you set up and play as if you're entertaining Man City or Liverpool. Instead of sticking with a winning recipe, he was insistent in trying the sort of possession football we've been putting up with now. The season ended poorly. 

Do you mean the Norwich home game, which ended 1-1 at home after the Villa away game? 

 

The villa game was our 8th win on the bounce (4-1). He picked the same lineup and system against Norwich and starting 11 as he did at Villa. 

 

He played a midfield diamond against Norwich the same as he did against Villa the week before. 

 

We actually had more possession against Villa 59.9% and less against Norwich 56.8%

 

Sometimes things don't go your way. That's football 

 

Villa Game

https://www.premierleague.com/match/46755

 

Norwich Game 

https://www.premierleague.com/match/46769 

 

55 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Start again and with a bit of freedom we shoot into the top 4 yet again. However, yet again, when having a commanding lead and notwithstanding injuries, even against lesser teams, he reverts to type in setting up not to lose instead of trying to win. 

Examples?

 

55 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

His insistence on a possession based conrol freak game is killing us. You wonder at times if the team aren't better off without him because I still believe that at the start of the season we had the players to finish 5th. The loss of Fofana is tough but one player light is no excuse because JJ has been out for a long time now. Round pegs, round holes and tactics to suit would give a marked improvement imo.

You do realise most good sides control possession?  

[Buzzell]

I’m actually surprised Utd want Rodgers considering the likes of Zidane are available tbh.

 

Yeah Rodgers has Premier League experience but flapped it when needing to reach the final hurdle, with us and especially Liverpool. 
 

Zidane has managed one of the biggest clubs in world football but also won the biggest competitions in Europe. He’s also a world class football icon who will always have that pulling power when attracting players so surely that’s what Utd want?

Edited 9 November 2021 by buzzer_b

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I  get the feeling you are a second account for another poster on here!!!

  You certainly spend a great deal of time on our board without actually showing your colours. Always good to have other clubs view on recent games but you appear to be not in that category. 

I wonder who you 'feel' it is...

[Stadt]

Reading this thread you'd think we'll never get a manager better than Rodgers again  

 

Our head of analytics is one of the sharpest minds in football, if the club actually listen to him I'd imagine he could draft up an exciting shortlist. Rodger Schmidt is the one we should be tracking.

Edited 9 November 2021 by Stadt

[coolhandfox]

9 minutes ago, buzzer_b said:

I’m actually surprised Utd want Rodgers considering the likes of Zidane are available tbh.

 

Yeah Rodgers has Premier League experience but flapped it when needing to reach the final hurdle, with us and especially Liverpool. 
 

Zidane has managed one of the biggest clubs in world football but also won the biggest competitions in Europe. He’s also a world class football icon who will always have that pulling power when attracting players so surely that’s what Utd want?

Zidane is a strange one. He's won Liga x 2 and the CL x 3 but rarely mentioned as a top manager, and I have no idea why.

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

Reading this thread you'd think we'll never get a manager better than Rodgers again  

 

Our head of analytics os one of the sharpest minds in football, if the club actually listen to him I'd imagine he could draft up an exciting shortlist. Rodger Schmidt is the one we should be tracking.

I said it yesterday but it proper annoys me, the whole "be careful what you wish for". It's as if every club has never improved on their previous manager  

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

Reading this thread you'd think we'll never get a manager better than Rodgers again  

 

Our head of analytics os one of the sharpest minds in football, if the club actually listen to him I'd imagine he could draft up an exciting shortlist. Rodger Schmidt is the one we should be tracking.

Shame he couldn't find another Mahrez. 

[coolhandfox]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

I said it yesterday but it proper annoys me, the whole "be careful what you wish for". It's as if every club has never improved on their previous manager  

True, but there are many examples of clubs founding out the grass is not always greener. 

 

It's a double edge sword with no guarantee, which is why clubs only pull the trigger when things take a turn for the worse.

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

True, but there are many examples of clubs founding out the grass is not always greener. 

 

It's a double edge sword with no guarantee, which is why clubs only pull the trigger when things take a turn for the worse.

And there are many example of clubs improving.

 

The most recent being Brighton where Hughton got sacked/appointed Potter and everybody told Brighton fans they'd go down.

 

I don't want Rodgers gone but fvck me people talk as if he's the end of the line for us.

Edited 9 November 2021 by Fox92

[Fox92]

Just now, pmcla26 said:

Hughton hadn't really done for Brighton what Rodgers has for us though, yeah he got them promoted but that was inevitable really when they've got as good ownership and management at board level as they have. 

And kept them in the PL. Potter had finished 10th I think with Swansea, people were questioning it.

As for "inevitable really"... well we could apply that to our club and remove what Rodgers has done?? 

[Ric Flair]

3 hours ago, jayfox26 said:

If Rodgers goes, get Bobby Martinez and then we might have a chance at keeping Youri. 

He would be seriously linked if we are needing a new manager. Whether he'd leave Belgium with a World Cup so close but he fits who we'd go for.

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

31 minutes ago, buzzer_b said:

I’m actually surprised Utd want Rodgers considering the likes of Zidane are available tbh.

 

Yeah Rodgers has Premier League experience but flapped it when needing to reach the final hurdle, with us and especially Liverpool. 
 

Zidane has managed one of the biggest clubs in world football but also won the biggest competitions in Europe. He’s also a world class football icon who will always have that pulling power when attracting players so surely that’s what Utd want?

He may be available but the admittedly unreliable rumours are that he's not interested in them.

[Izzy]

31 minutes ago, buzzer_b said:

I’m actually surprised Utd want Rodgers 

Do they? Have they actually come out and said that?

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

And there are many example of clubs improving.

 

The most recent being Brighton where Hughton got sacked/appointed Potter and everybody told Brighton fans they'd go down.

 

I don't want Rodgers gone but fvck me people talk as if he's the end of the line for us.

Oh, the Potter myth!

 

Yeah, he's done so much better the Hughton 

 

Potter
19/20 15th (41 points)
20/21 16th (41 points) 

 

Hughton 
17/18 15th (40 points)
18/19 17th (36 points)

[Langston]

10 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Oh, the Potter myth!

 

Yeah, he's done so much better the Hughton 

 

Potter
19/20 15th (41 points)
20/21 16th (41 points) 

 

Hughton 
17/18 15th (40 points)
18/19 17th (36 points)

 

I wouldn't fancy Potter here, but I'm not sure it's quite as black and white as that. Brighton were in what looked like terminal decline under Hughton towards the end of his tenure and we're playing some really rough stuff. Potter has overseen a big change in playing style (for the better) and they've never really looked close to going down. It's almost universally agreed that if they had a finisher the past season or so they'd be a good handful of places higher.

 

I think their current position is a bit lofty but it wouldn't surprise me if they start to properly reap the benefits of the change this season and snag top half. They're certainly improving.

Edited 9 November 2021 by Langston
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[Fox92]

23 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Oh, the Potter myth!

 

Yeah, he's done so much better the Hughton 

 

Potter
19/20 15th (41 points)
20/21 16th (41 points) 

 

Hughton 
17/18 15th (40 points)
18/19 17th (36 points)

I was using the example of club changing manager and it working, nothing to do with manager v manager (what they achieved) or manager v Rodgers.

 

Fvck me.

[coolhandfox]

6 minutes ago, Langston said:

 

I wouldn't fancy Potter here, but I'm not sure it's quite as black and white as that. Brighton were in what looked like terminal decline under Hughton towards the end of his tenure and we're playing some really rough stuff. Potter has overseen a big change in playing style (for the better) and they've never really looked close to going down. It's almost universally agreed that if they had a finisher the past season or so they'd be a good handful of places higher.

 

I think their current position is a bit lofty but it wouldn't surprise me if they start to properly reap the benefits of the change this season and snag top half. They're certainly improving.

Yes, I'd agree that I'm being a little harsh on Potter. 

 

However, I think some of the praise he receives is over the top, and he has achieved very little in the PL to date and is a little overhyped because Pep name-dropped him.

 

Also worth noting, he brought Neal Maupay for 20m to score the goals Brighton need. 

 

He has had some abysmal run of form at Brighton. Last year, he won 2 in the first 18 games.