If Rodgers Goes...

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

xg is pointless in my view it doesn't take into account the quality of the player taking the shot, you get the same xg whether it Amartey or CR7 shooting 

 

I just saw two average teams, lacking quality. 

It doesn't take into account anything other than where it is on the pitch.

[sacreblueits442]

...you get the feeling Rodgers idea of football is not aligned to the players he has at his disposal!!!

A bit like comparing Classical music and Jazz, Rodgers wants a structured style of play while his players want to play an interpretation of the same tune.

   We could see a change somewhere down the line and our form picks up, that will only happen if a notable event comes about.

Something has to happen to break this impasse, and it will have to be something that shakes up this clubs coaches and playing staff. We are not going to relieve Rodgers of his role, the cost is excessive and at this time the availability of potential managers is almost zero. We may have to go through the motions until the end of season and things could become even more heated.

[Bluetintedspecs]

Pleat Out 

[Jattdogg]

Just now, Bluetintedspecs said:

Pleat Out 

Care to iron my clothes?

[coolhandfox]

14 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

The chance fell to Madison.... 50%?

Jesus I'd give myself a 50% chance and I'm crap.

[foxinsocks]

14 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you get the feeling Rodgers idea of football is not aligned to the players he has at his disposal!!!

A bit like comparing Classical music and Jazz, Rodgers wants a structured style of play while his players want to play an interpretation of the same tune.

   We could see a change somewhere down the line and our form picks up, that will only happen if a notable event comes about.

Something has to happen to break this impasse, and it will have to be something that shakes up this clubs coaches and playing staff. We are not going to relieve Rodgers of his role, the cost is excessive and at this time the availability of potential managers is almost zero. We may have to go through the motions until the end of season and things could become even more heated.

Great analogy.

What will happen to sort it out? The days of kasper and vardy having influence have gone.  It will not be sorted until Rodgers wants to move on.

[Flappit]

24 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

It doesn't take into account anything other than where it is on the pitch.

Not entirely... https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/07/what-are-expected-goals-xg/

[coolhandfox]

50 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Pleat Out 

The good old days 

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, mozartfox said:

Ric - Marco Rose is German.    

My mistake, got confused because he managed Salzburg which was when I first started following his progression.

[Haywood_6]

2 hours ago, fleshdaddy said:

Careful, careful - I made a similar thread a few weeks back and got lambasted for even thinking "who next" after Rodgers!

That said, and as I said in that thread, I'd rather Rodgers stay until the end of the season at least. As I've also said before though, I do wonder if he's peaked with us as a club, or us with him as a manager, in terms of our squad and how far he can take us. And that's been far, don't get me wrong - two fifth place finishes and European football, as well as the FA Cup. He's done a good job in taking us forward, but it's clear he's eyeing up a top job after he leaves us, be it Man City or Man Utd, and we need to be looking at who we want to replace him now, so we don't get caught short when he does leave.

Good post - there's nothing wrong with forward planning.

 

I hope Rodgers is here until at least the end of the season too. The job he's done so far has been admirable. And I'm not sure if it'll get better than an FA Cup 5th place finish for many years to come for us (just being realistic). Looking at how other clubs in the league are strengthening.

 

I always get the sense if a Man City/Utd job comes up he'll be gone quicker than you can blink. Finding an appropriate replacement needs to be considered in advance as it's hugely important.

[Hollyfox]

If he goes, he goes. 

I sincerely hope he doesn't just yet but I'm still a bit unsure why either manc club would want him. 

They are elite clubs, and atm, I don't think he's an elite manager. 

A very good manager that does well at the clubs he's managed but has weaknesses which can make all the difference between success and failure. 

Some of his selections and in game decisions are baffling and he'll come under much greater scrutiny at one of those clubs. 

Especially after managing the scousers 😄

[BenTheFox]

I still think Man City will go for Luis Enrique after Guardiola. 

[The_77]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...you get the feeling Rodgers idea of football is not aligned to the players he has at his disposal!!!

A bit like comparing Classical music and Jazz, Rodgers wants a structured style of play while his players want to play an interpretation of the same tune.

   We could see a change somewhere down the line and our form picks up, that will only happen if a notable event comes about.

Something has to happen to break this impasse, and it will have to be something that shakes up this clubs coaches and playing staff. We are not going to relieve Rodgers of his role, the cost is excessive and at this time the availability of potential managers is almost zero. We may have to go through the motions until the end of season and things could become even more heated.

The first sentence of @sacreblueits442’s posts versus the following sentences of @sacreblueits442’s posts

Edited 8 November 2021 by The_77

[ARM1968]

Brendan’s problem is fear. Fear of looking bad and being judged as a less than stellar manager. It creeps into his decisions all the time and in turn creeps in to the players. 
 

Add in to that mix some out of form players and the whole squad knowing that the talismanic Tieleman’s is off in the summer and we’ve got an almost perfect storm. 
 

We also don’t look that well conditioned and it’s obvious that we are exceedingly poorly coached with regard to set pieces - at both ends. 
 

That being said, Brendan is one of the best managers we are likely to attract to the club. If he could just loosen up a bit and be a bit more adventurous and progressive we might all enjoy things a little more - him included. 

[Corky]

8 hours ago, Matt said:

Out of interest what was the consensus when there were Puel in v Puel out arguments?

 

I can’t really remember, it was quite a depressing time which I blanked out due to lack of enthusiasm, think I even took

abit of a hiatus from here during the time - by depressing I mean masked by boredom, frustration and as already mentioned, lack of enthusiasm, very much how I’m feeling now (hyperbole or not).

 

Were there stand out candidates? Was the point made - who could we get in? Was the pool of candidates low/lacking? Was Brendan perceived as ‘out of our reach’? Or we ‘should be careful what we wish for’?

 

Ultimately we ended up with Brendan and it seems we are having the same arguments, again, for very much the same reasons.
 

There are so many parallels that can be drawn and perhaps it’s something the club can look at as it seems this is the direction, the style of play the club have chose to go in which is massively sad to see personally because as I’ve said whoever comes in next I have a horrible feeling will probably have to meet this criteria of playing boring, negative, pOsSeSsIoN BaSeD fOoTbALl on repeat so whatever.    

 

Puel and Rodgers are completely different scenarios. Puel was disliked by the fans and, crucially, the players. When the players aren't on board then there's nowhere else to go but out the door.

 

Rodgers, to the best of our knowledge, hasn't fallen out with people and presently the problem is underwhelming league results and disappointment in Europe. Both of which have the potential to turn around.

 

We ended up with Rodgers because he is clearly a better manager and better fit than Puel. It has been proven, too.

 

People are fixating on the style of play too much. It is results that will determine Rodgers future. And I don't see the club changing anything right now.

[Bluetintedspecs]

1 hour ago, Jattdogg said:

Care to iron my clothes?

Only if you love me long time

[fuchsntf]

5 hours ago, Simoken said:

I cant believe what im reading in this forum, Its like people want to be miserable and already preparing for the worst. get a grip, i  said this in a post the otherday, i feel i have to repeat the message. Show some respect to a man that gave you the FA CUP, Communitity Shield and European football. We were championship fodder not too long ago, We are becoming ever so entitled and petty ever sincee we won the league. The expectations from a majority of our fans is embarrasing, Football is loved for its HIGHS and LOWS so for the love of god and the mental health of my fingers having to type this shit. support BR he derserves it this year and next regardless how bad it gets, hes a fantastic manager thats proved it already. This is slow progress to club improvement, and changing a manager will solve nothing, look at spurs/man utd and ourselves!!!!!

[fuchsntf]

 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Let's be honest, there is no one who would come here, who is better than Brendan. 

 

We have had a good time since Claudio arrived, but our chances of staying in this situation, are I feel, now over. As I said recently, it will take a huge injection of cash to keep us at the top, and that of course won't happen. It would be extremely naive, to think we can hang on to our best players, come the summer, so sadly, we should brace ourselves for slipping backwards. J V is slowing down a bit now, and where do we find another gem like him?

[Hollyfox]

8 minutes ago, DANGEROUS TIGER said:

Let's be honest, there is no one who would come here, who is better than Brendan. 

 

We have had a good time since Claudio arrived, but our chances of staying in this situation, are I feel, now over. As I said recently, it will take a huge injection of cash to keep us at the top, and that of course won't happen. It would be extremely naive, to think we can hang on to our best players, come the summer, so sadly, we should brace ourselves for slipping backwards. J V is slowing down a bit now, and where do we find another gem like him?

It certainly will be a tough act to follow, a few players might see their futures elsewhere and the Goat situation is on the horizon, sadly 😔. 

 

 

But the prem is an extremely attractive place to be for top managers, and Leicester will be a great gig for an established or up and coming coach. 

 

We pay well, we have brilliant owners, have a superb squad, have an infrastructure which is impressive and is ongoing, have recent history of winning trophies. 

 

I think they'll be plenty of interest. 

 

 

[JamboFox1884]

5 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

..  he would jump at the chance, it is the perfect opportunity for him!!!

  Never did like him and hope him or Lampard are not on any short list. 

Would be interesting to see how Vardy Maddison and Tielemens would work with Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard 😃

[JamboFox1884]

6 hours ago, Simoken said:

I cant believe what im reading in this forum, Its like people want to be miserable and already preparing for the worst. get a grip, i  said this in a post the otherday, i feel i have to repeat the message. Show some respect to a man that gave you the FA CUP, Communitity Shield and European football. We were championship fodder not too long ago, We are becoming ever so entitled and petty ever sincee we won the league. The expectations from a majority of our fans is embarrasing, Football is loved for its HIGHS and LOWS so for the love of god and the mental health of my fingers having to type this shit. support BR he derserves it this year and next regardless how bad it gets, hes a fantastic manager thats proved it already. This is slow progress to club improvement, and changing a manager will solve nothing, look at spurs/man utd and ourselves!!!!!

Well said spot on 😃👍

[sacreblueits442]

1 minute ago, JamboFox1884 said:

Would be interesting to see how Vardy Maddison and Tielemens would work with Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard 😃

....please, please no....I do not want either of these people at the club, please no...!!!

[JamboFox1884]

2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....please, please no....I do not want either of these people at the club, please no...!!!

😂

[Matt]

1 hour ago, Corky said:

Puel and Rodgers are completely different scenarios. Puel was disliked by the fans and, crucially, the players. When the players aren't on board then there's nowhere else to go but out the door.

 

Rodgers, to the best of our knowledge, hasn't fallen out with people and presently the problem is underwhelming league results and disappointment in Europe. Both of which have the potential to turn around.

 

We ended up with Rodgers because he is clearly a better manager and better fit than Puel. It has been proven, too.

 

People are fixating on the style of play too much. It is results that will determine Rodgers future. And I don't see the club changing anything right now.

 

I’m not really debating who’s the better manager or better fit, I’m saying the same issues I had then I have now, nothing has much changed in that regard, I’m still have the same arguments, debates and am truly fed up with it as I’m sure everyone else is.

I think the keys point/questions I raised in my post have been missed or misunderstood (I think this is case in @StanSP regarding that post in particular instead opting to go straight for the jugular), the points/questions I raised were genuine, no witch-hunt, no agenda (buzzword from the past - a word very often used under Puel) or reasons for or against Rodgers involved simply when there were constant calls for Puel out/when he eventually got sacked what was the general consensus I genuinely can’t remember:

 

9 hours ago, Matt said:

Were there stand out candidates?

Was the point made - who could we get in?

 

Was the pool of candidates low/lacking/uninspiring?

 

Was Brendan perceived as ‘out of our reach’?
 

Or that we ‘should be careful what we wish for’?

 

Edited 8 November 2021 by Matt