Liverpool (H) *pre*-match thread

[Matt]

23 minutes ago, Corky said:

Liverpool also have millions of fans all around the country- they won't all be from staunch Labour-voting areas too.

 

 

They're all hollier than thou, preachy fuckers, who love playing the innocent victim though.

 

Every single one i've come across, to a man.

 

It's their mantra.

 

"This means more".

[trabuch]

For some reason I'm really looking forward to this match. Having also watched England getting smashed in the Ashes last night, I think I might have a masochistic streak.

[Corky]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

They're all hollier than thou, preachy fuckers, who love playing the innocent victim though.

 

Every single one i've come across, to a man.

 

It's their mantra.

 

"This means more".

To be honest I don't know why someone's voting criteria and opinion matters when supporting a football team but there you go.

 

I've got no idea who the people around me at the ground vote for and couldn't care less. This is where politics and football shouldn't mix.

[urban.spaceman]

I miss this lunatic.

 

 

 

[1972 Fox]

33 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Nothing will be made public

i expect there has been contact between klopp and Brendan to apologise. 

But Klopp is perfectly happy to moan in public when he feels aggrieved. Kane tackle, referees, injuries, too many games, TV scheduling, etc.

 

Double standards. Can't stand the bloke. Hypocrite and absolute bellend.

[st albans fox]

Just now, Blue Fox 72 said:

But Klopp is perfectly happy to moan in public when he feels aggrieved. Kane tackle, referees, injuries, too many games, TV scheduling, etc.

 

Double standards. Can't stand the bloke. Hypocrite and absolute bellend.

He moans in public to suit his agenda - its professional sport 

 

what is said in private between managers ……

[Finnegan]

49 minutes ago, ParkerPen said:

why do they think Leicester is tory supporters ?! have i missed something ?

 

Because they want to make it something that it isn't. 

 

As with everything involving Liverpool fans, they have to make the narrative make them special. They can't just be a football club. They think they're some Barcelona, mes que un club style, club of the Merseyside people. You know, "scouse not English!" as if being born in Liverpool makes you some sort of cultural goliath. 

 

The tragic reality for them is that whilst they're out there pretending to be the epitome of North Western working class identity, they represent the epitome of capitalism and greed, they're one of the European Super League, mega rich bully boy elite and this conflicts with their perception of self and creates an identity crisis. 

 

We're an especially significant conundrum for them because we're a club that can threaten them on occasion on the pitch yet at the same time we actually ARE the plucky underdog that they want to be. We really are the club of the people, doing it on a relative shoestring budget. Almost the whole country wanted us to win the league, almost the whole country desperately hoped they wouldn't. 

 

They can't hack it. So they need us to be some sort of villain. If they're the left wing valiant club of the people then we need to be the elite, nasty, bigoted Tory boys. Not based on any kind of evidence other than our fans copied the same boring predictable song about feeding scousers that everyone else sings and they latched on to it. 

 

It's really nothing to do with us, it's their fragile egos and insecurity trying to come to terms with how much of a joke they are. 

 

Edited 28 December 2021 by Finnegan

[mozartfox]

8 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

But Klopp is perfectly happy to moan in public when he feels aggrieved. Kane tackle, referees, injuries, too many games, TV scheduling, etc.

 

Double standards. Can't stand the bloke. Hypocrite and absolute bellend.

And German.

[Phil Bowman]

8 minutes ago, Matt said:

They're all hollier than thou, preachy fuckers, who love playing the innocent victim though.

 

Every single one i've come across, to a man.

 

It's their mantra.

 

"This means more".

Odd. Either you’re remarkably unlucky in who you meet, or we’re talking a very small sample size, or you’re seeing what you want to see.

I’ve found that scousers are, just like people from absolutely everywhere, a mixture. Some are idiots, some are absolutely brilliant, and most, just like most people everywhere, are perfectly nice enough if you’re perfectly nice enough to them and pretty much just want to get on with their lives and let everyone else get on with theirs.

[Phil Bowman]

2 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Because they want to make it something that it isn't. 

 

As with everything involving Liverpool fans, they have to make the narrative make them special. They can't just be a football club. They think they're some Barcelona, mes que un club style, club of the Merseyside people. You know, "scouse not English!" as if being born in Liverpool makes you some sort of cultural goliath. 

 

The tragic reality for them is that whilst they're out there pretending to be the epitome of North Western working class identity, they represent the epitome of capitalism and greed, they're one of the European Super League, mega rich bully boy elite and this conflicts with their perception of self and creates an identity crisis. 

 

We're an especially significant conundrum for them because we're a club that can threaten them on occasion on the pitch yet at the same time we actually ARE the plucky underdog that they want to be. We really are the club of the people, doing it on a relative shoestring budget. Almost the whole country wanted us to win the league, almost the whole country desperately hoped they wouldn't. 

 

They can't hack it. So they need us to be some sort of villain. If they're the left wing valiant club of the people then we need to be the elite, nasty, bigoted Tory boys. Not based on any kind of evidence other than our fans copied the same boring predictable song about feeding scousers that everyone else sings and they latched on to it. 

 

It's really nothing to do with us, it's their fragile egos and insecurity trying to come to terms with how much of a joke they are. 

 

Or it’s just nonsense, aimed at winding people up and getting a reaction. Good job nobody falls for it, eh?

[Md9]

Just need to get at them from the start who ever plays set the tone early with vardy going through someone hard but fair get every one on the same level. Need some fight didn’t look like any one looked that bothered when Ricardo got fouled the other game. Get in the reds face for a change make him make a decision against every one else we plays would love to nick a 1-0 90 mins shit house pen winner 

[urban.spaceman]

10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Because they want to make it something that it isn't. 

 

As with everything involving Liverpool fans, they have to make the narrative make them special. They can't just be a football club. They think they're some Barcelona, mes que un club style, club of the Merseyside people. You know, "scouse not English!" as if being born in Liverpool makes you some sort of cultural goliath. 

 

The tragic reality for them is that whilst they're out there pretending to be the epitome of North Western working class identity, they represent the epitome of capitalism and greed, they're one of the European Super League, mega rich bully boy elite and this conflicts with their perception of self and creates an identity crisis. 

 

We're an especially significant conundrum for them because we're a club that can threaten them on occasion on the pitch yet at the same time we actually ARE the plucky underdog that they want to be. We really are the club of the people, doing it on a relative shoestring budget. Almost the whole country wanted us to win the league, almost the whole country desperately hoped they wouldn't. 

 

They can't hack it. So they need us to be some sort of villain. If they're the left wing valiant club of the people then we need to be the elite, nasty, bigoted Tory boys. Not based on any kind of evidence other than our fans copied the same boring predictable song about feeding scousers that everyone else sings and they latched on to it. 

 

It's really nothing to do with us, it's their fragile egos and insecurity trying to come to terms with how much of a joke they are. 

 

They are quite literally one of the most sinister entities in world football. 

[Guest Kopfkino]

My only interest tonight is how angry can we make the big odious German bully boy. Not one for hoping players get hurt but a Warnock style end up with six players on the pitch and a camera permanently on Klopp would make for entertaining telly.

[Adrian]

If I had to guess schmikes real thinking id say he's ready for a change of club. To me he looks bored of this play it out from the back stuff, having to keep golf chipping passes to castagne and Thomas that inevitably go out of play. It's like groundhog day

 

 

Sorry bit off topic  but I'm trying to say I'd like to see WARD given rest of season

Edited 28 December 2021 by Adrian

[woollett the bullet]

4 hours ago, Haywood_6 said:

If the service wasn't so slow, they wouldn't. The blame lies with the club on that.

Personally would prefer to miss a half time pint, than 15 mins of the game. 

A pi$$ though is entirely different 

[Bert]

Can see the team being 

 

Kasper 

 

Castagne Amartey Wilf Vestergaard Thomas 

 

Tielemans Soumare KDH

 

Maddison

 

Vardy 

 

Would like to see 

 

Kasper 

 

Castagne Wilf Amartey Thomas 

 

Tielemans KDH 

 

Perez Maddison Lookman 

 

Vardy 

[Matt]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

To be honest I don't know why someone's voting criteria and opinion matters when supporting a football team but there you go.

 

I've got no idea who the people around me at the ground vote for and couldn't care less. This is where politics and football shouldn't mix.

Oh 100% agree with you there.

 

It's all a load of bollocks (Politics), they're all as bad as each other, the points scoring amongst parties is laughable, again the hollier than thou attitude amongst them, irony being alot of people 'into' politics take the piss out of footballs fan allegiances, however staunch political supporters are alot of worse than anything you could compare football fans to.

 

Why Politics has managed to worm itself into the game is beyond me but it's a sign of the times I suppose.

 

My point in the original response to you were separate to the politics points you've made, it's just my opinion based on their support.

 

26 minutes ago, Phil Bowman said:

Odd. Either you’re remarkably unlucky in who you meet, or we’re talking a very small sample size, or you’re seeing what you want to see.

I’ve found that scousers are, just like people from absolutely everywhere, a mixture. Some are idiots, some are absolutely brilliant, and most, just like most people everywhere, are perfectly nice enough if you’re perfectly nice enough to them and pretty much just want to get on with their lives and let everyone else get on with theirs.

I certainly haven't met the millions Corky talks of, however I have and do work in Liverpool a fair bit and around the midlands where i've come across a fair few, obviously it's still a small sample and i'm not saying it goes for all of them, but the opinion people have of the, Scouse or not, is exactly how every single on them come across.

 

They're the hollier than though, preachy, self pity brigade who are offended for offended sake, they thrive on it.

 

Offended by everything, Ashamed of nothing.

[weller54]

Who are we going to lose to injury today I wonder?... pretty much nailed on it will be a hamstring after playing a couple of days ago!!

Can't see Vards lasting 90 minutes as he was carrying an injury from the Cup game!!😢

[mozartfox]

David Coote on VAR duty tonight.  So Kloppers has got that sewn up.

[Blanchflower78]

Gotta feeling well see around 25k in there tonight. Loads deciding to watch at home or got covid

[Fox92]

23 minutes ago, Bert said:

Can see the team being 

 

Kasper 

 

Castagne Amartey Wilf Vestergaard Thomas 

 

Tielemans Soumare KDH

 

Maddison

 

Vardy 

 

Would like to see 

 

Kasper 

 

Castagne Wilf Amartey Thomas 

 

Tielemans KDH 

 

Perez Maddison Lookman 

 

Vardy 

Vardy okay to play? I assumed Kelechi would start.

[Bert]

11 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Vardy okay to play? I assumed Kelechi would start.

I would say so. I think they saved him for tonight. But hey, I could be very wrong. Just an assumption. 

[turlo]

34 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Who are we going to lose to injury today I wonder?... pretty much nailed on it will be a hamstring after playing a couple of days ago!!

Can't see Vards lasting 90 minutes as he was carrying an injury from the Cup game!!😢

Castagne hamstring injury is odds on. 

[Spudulike]

I was an impressionable 15 year old when I went to Villa Park for that FA Cup semi-final against Liverpool in '74. When we play them I still look around as I walk past the away turnstiles for that filthy scumbag that blew his nose on my mates City scarf. And some wonder why I've grown up holding a grudge against that snotty, filthy, spitting club. 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

Backed us can't leave us 15/2 at home it's a daft price even if I am. Expecting them to batter us 5 2.