Ukraine

[Countryfox]

On the world news they are discussing how to get the mig  29s to Ukraine ..  fook me we might as well just tell Putin exactly what’s going on and how we intend to do it !?! 

[Heathrow fox]

Sanctions are a joke.They harm the wrong people.Have we not learnt our lesson.Meanwhile £1.75 a litre of diesel is common place.This is not one way traffic 

[yorkie1999]

5 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

I think Putin is totally to blame for all this ..  

ultimately, as a leader, yes, but it’s the intel that decides the outcome.

[yorkie1999]

4 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Sanctions are a joke.They harm the wrong people.Have we not learnt our lesson.Meanwhile £1.75 a litre of diesel is common place.This is not one way traffic 

And our government takes 55% of that. Maybe if they took a fixed amount it wouldn’t look they are profiteering.

[blabyboy]

11 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

The big thing is that Putin has the ability to destroy the world, if he’s going to do that there’s not a lot we can do about it, but is he prepared to do it, even it he faces defeat, so we, the west might as well supply Ukraine with our hardware cos he might push the button anyway. 
 Personally I don’t think Putin is to blame for all this, he’s not on the front line, so to speak, he can only act on the advise of those who surround him, if they tell a few porkies about nazis in Ukraine, how’s he to know it’s bollocks. It’s Putins advisers who are to blame, and that levrov bloke looks a right mean cvnt.

You are Igor Sechin and i claim my £5

[yorkie1999]

6 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

On the world news they are discussing how to get the mig  29s to Ukraine ..  fook me we might as well just tell Putin exactly what’s going on and how we intend to do it !?! 

Maybe that’s what we are doing

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, blabyboy said:

You are Igor Sechin and i claim my £5

Who’s he

[Adrian]

Bored of Putin..Bored of this war too..Bored of the news...everything is Shiite..tell me something I don't know 

 

😉

 

***all above comments are in jest..the author shares same sympathy for people of Ukraine ****

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

24 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

The big thing is that Putin has the ability to destroy the world, if he’s going to do that there’s not a lot we can do about it, but is he prepared to do it, even it he faces defeat, so we, the west might as well supply Ukraine with our hardware cos he might push the button anyway. 
 Personally I don’t think Putin is to blame for all this, he’s not on the front line, so to speak, he can only act on the advise of those who surround him, if they tell a few porkies about nazis in Ukraine, how’s he to know it’s bollocks. It’s Putins advisers who are to blame, and that levrov bloke looks a right mean cvnt.

I posted a link to the twitter thread below yesterday, but am doing so again because it seems to shed some light on this point. It apparently comes directly from somebody within the FSB and reveals just how fundamentally dishonest and haphazard the Kremlin's intelligence gathering really is. A long story short: the FSB were told to do some rudimentary analysis of what would happen if Russia did x, y or z, but were told not to worry about making it too thorough (as it was just theoretical a box-ticking exercise) and to ensure the conclusions were always positive for Russia. In other words, they were basically instructed to produce reports that would please Putin, not give him an honest assessment of the implications/risks of invading Ukraine. Hence why they've massively miscalcuated everything - from the ferocious resistance of the Ukrainians to the co-ordinated and firm response from other countries...

 

 

Edited 8 March 2022 by ClaphamFox

[Sol thewall Bamba]

 

This is really good.

[SpacedX]

20 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Sanctions are a joke.They harm the wrong people.

So do civilian targets in Aleppo, Grozny, the villages of South Ossetia and currently residential areas across the towns and cities of Ukraine. 

 

And regarding "sanctions" - there are no winners in the ensuing commodity war which has resulted from the illegal invasion of an independent state. 

Edited 8 March 2022 by Line-X

[blabyboy]

16 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Who’s he

Known as the Russian Darth Vader, very close friend to Putin

[Carl the Llama]

11 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Again, not a fan or supporter of Trump, but at least the bloke was able to maintain international relationships with people like Putin. No one abroad gives a **** now about the West with dumb and dumber running the two big superpowers. 

9 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Don't think that first sentence is really true considering one is president and the other isn't anymore. I couldn't possibly comment on whether it would or wouldn't have happened had he had a second term in office as we'll never know, but I do think Putin would have been more hesitant. It's no coincidence that he's done this at a time where there's a changing of the guard in Germany, the UK and USA are in political turmoil, with some very questionable political leaders/parties calling the shots, and France also could see quite a few changes lined up over the coming years. Let's not pretend Putin hasn't picked his moment. 

 

All of that isn't to say though that I don't agree that Trump certainly isn't the best man to be US President, and his response definitely could have been chaotic, just not sure Putin would have chosen to have done so with him in office, as a straight shootout between the US and Russia is more likely to go in favour of the former, or nobody if nuclear war was the road that both/either embarked on; where there is no winner. Like I said earlier in this post though, we'll never know. 

I think it's fair to say they expected similar success meddling in the 2020 election as they had in 2016 and with Brexit.  Putin imo underestimated just how poorly Trump was doing and just how many voters had been polarised against him, reckon he expected another 4 years at least of subservience from PUSA and this invasion was planned to happen slap bang in the middle of it when he could have relied on his man to question why Ukraine was forcing Russia to act instead of doing anything useful for humanity.

[MPH]

6 hours ago, Line-X said:

Very difficult to pull out due to the sheer complexity of their operations. McDonalds for example have over 200 restaurants throughout Russia and I believe that I'm right in saying that they are tendered out to a Middle Eastern franchise. 

 

We'll see what happens when their share prices starts to plummet though. 

 

if Coca Cola AND Pepsi are now suspending operations in Russia, whose  drinks are McDonald’s going to sell?

[MPH]

just seen that mds have now suspended operations…

[st albans fox]

Surely Russia can import stuff via ‘friendly’  countries such as China or Pakistan ? 

 

there will be a shortage but stuff like coke and Pepsi will become available at a higher price …..

 

I guess the low rouble will make any attempts to import rather than locally produced as is currently the case a lot more expensive. 

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, blabyboy said:

Known as the Russian Darth Vader, very close friend to Putin

It’s like Star Wars. All this alliance and the rebels stuff.

[yorkie1999]

35 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

if Coca Cola AND Pepsi are now suspending operations in Russia, whose  drinks are McDonald’s going to sell?

Thick shakes.

[Innovindil]

17 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Surely Russia can import stuff via ‘friendly’  countries such as China or Pakistan ? 

 

there will be a shortage but stuff like coke and Pepsi will become available at a higher price …..

 

I guess the low rouble will make any attempts to import rather than locally produced as is currently the case a lot more expensive. 

Just one more middle man to pay for luxuries.

 

Besides, the effect these companies pulling out will have goes far beyond the wallet. When you're trying to build a narrative that everything is going fine, to the point you're locking people up for speaking about it, every closed store, restaurant and oops we can't fulfil your order on a website tells its own story. Plus, it doesn't take the sharpest minds to connect bad things are happening AFTER the "special military operation" started.

[urban.spaceman]

 

[leicsmac]

3 hours ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

Strong move imo, even if they have done it via the US. They can't let Putin scare them with his words, he's even somewhat alluded to military action if other nations join nato, which is their own decision entirely. 

 

The more we pander to what Putin says will provoke escalation, whilst he's bombing innocent Ukrainians, the more he'll get his power trip imo

This is true.

 

What's also true is that if he isn't bluffing, the less pandering goes on the higher the risk of nuclear holocaust.

 

3 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Sanctions are a joke.They harm the wrong people.Have we not learnt our lesson.Meanwhile £1.75 a litre of diesel is common place.This is not one way traffic 

I'm repeating myself, but I'm curious as to what a decently strong response other than sanctions would be that wouldn't cause issues up to and including the downfall of civilisation.

 

51 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Black looks to have a strong game here, at a first glance.

[MPH]

3 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

The big thing is that Putin has the ability to destroy the world, if he’s going to do that there’s not a lot we can do about it, but is he prepared to do it, even it he faces defeat, so we, the west might as well supply Ukraine with our hardware cos he might push the button anyway. 
 Personally I don’t think Putin is to blame for all this, he’s not on the front line, so to speak, he can only act on the advise of those who surround him, if they tell a few porkies about nazis in Ukraine, how’s he to know it’s bollocks. It’s Putins advisers who are to blame, and that levrov bloke looks a right mean cvnt.

 

 

crikey, chap, but this is a clueless post.

[yorkie1999]

Those big planes that keep going over Leicester ain’t civilian.

[Trumpet]

4 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Those big planes that keep going over Leicester ain’t civilian.

Yes they are. FlightRadar24 will show you that.

[LCFCCHRIS]

6 hours ago, leicsmac said:

This is true.

 

What's also true is that if he isn't bluffing, the less pandering goes on the higher the risk of nuclear holocaust.

 

I'm repeating myself, but I'm curious as to what a decently strong response other than sanctions would be that wouldn't cause issues up to and including the downfall of civilisation.

 

Black looks to have a strong game here, at a first glance.

I'm just hoping there is method in the madness of all this dialogue about the planes. As another poster mentioned, possibly to throw Putin off the scent like a distraction. Otherwise, surely you just send them without all the media coverage