Praet

[Guest]

The idea of keeping him around as a backup/rotation option is also contingent on him being happy with that role, which I think we can say with some certainty he isn't. Even if loaning him out again and paying some of his wages isn't exactly ideal, I can't see how it isn't preferable to keeping a player here who we don't really want and who doesn't really want to be here.

Edited 6 July 2022 by Guest

[SafewayFox]

28 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Would genuinely rather persist with Soumaré than Praet. 

 

We've got more chance of selling Praet, he's probably on higher wages and we know he isn't good enough. Anyone that had seen his stats knew he wasn't good enough before he even arrived. 

 

Soumaré still has the potential to put a difficult adjustment behind him and actually come good. 

Genuinely curious what Soumare has shown that he is an upgrade on Praet?

As the stats comment would be even more true for Soumare would it not? 

I apologise in advance for my broken record stance but Soumare and his lack of tracking runners itself is a hideous flaw in his game/football intelligence.

 

Selling Praet, Soumare with Hamza or Mendy and bringing in Bourigeaud/Kokcu would be an upgrade surely?

[LFox99]

44 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Bring him back into the fold, we could do with another CM and clearly can't afford anyone.

He doesn't wanna be here if he's not the main guy, which he won't be

[MPH]

I can see the headline now  “ forgotten midfielder  in from the cold and out to impress” when we don’t get any takers for him on our terms…

[desertfox2]

24 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Genuinely curious what Soumare has shown that he is an upgrade on Praet?

As the stats comment would be even more true for Soumare would it not? 

I apologise in advance for my broken record stance but Soumare and his lack of tracking runners itself is a hideous flaw in his game/football intelligence.

 

Selling Praet, Soumare with Hamza or Mendy and bringing in Bourigeaud/Kokcu would be an upgrade surely?

This is what I can't get my head around either. Rodgers doesn't see him playing like Ndidi and wants him box to box but he can't run and has scored 2 professional goals in his whole career of 158 games. 1 of which was in the French second division so shouldn't really count. He doesn't seem to be a massive provider of assists so what does he actually do or what did we see in him to sign him? All I can see is that he's basically a holding midfielder but we don't want him playing there and he won't with Ndidi. Who actually decided to sign him?

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, desertfox2 said:

This is what I can't get my head around either. Rodgers doesn't see him playing like Ndidi and wants him box to box but he can't run and has scored 2 professional goals in his whole career of 158 games. 1 of which was in the French second division so shouldn't really count. He doesn't seem to be a massive provider of assists so what does he actually do or what did we see in him to sign him? All I can see is that he's basically a holding midfielder but we don't want him playing there and he won't with Ndidi. Who actually decided to sign him?

....watching Soumare play he looks like a special player and someone we desperately needed in our team!!!

We have seen his goal contributions prior to coming here, but his game was not measured by these criteria, and it would be folly for us to see such statistics and then decide to use him as a box-to-box player to assist and give support to our forwards. Sheer madness.

  Perhaps the need to change his game and adapt to the pace was all too much at once, and he failed to meet the requirement of his manager, and adhere to the instructions that were given to him. There could be a disconnect between Rodgers and Soumare, it just seems that Rodgers does not understand what he brings, and the player has little faith he can progress under a manager who does not understand him.

[Finnegan]

10 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

Genuinely curious what Soumare has shown that he is an upgrade on Praet?

As the stats comment would be even more true for Soumare would it not? 

 

Here? Nothing. I'd say Praet has looked more positive in a city shirt so far of the two of them. But my point is that we've probably seen the best Praet can offer us while there's a very good case to be made that Soumaré's first season was stunted by a difficulty adjusting that maybe he could still yet overcome. 

 

Praet is a known quality and that quality is lacking. Soumaré could still potentially turn out to be decent. 

 

If Nigel Pearson had given up on Vardy the way it looks and feels like Rodgers gave up on Soumaré, we'd probably still be a Championship club. 

 

And look, maybe Soumaré isn't going to be good enough but given he was the starting midfielder for a Lille side that won the league in part owing to his solid ball progression stats and that he's racked up a fair few appearances for an extremely competitive French u21 side, it's fair to say at very least that we definitely haven't seen the best of him yet. 

 

Something that can also be said of Patson Daka, the integration of both of whom in to the side and their subsequent loss of confidence and form doesn't reflect brilliantly on Rodgers. 

[SafewayFox]

58 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Here? Nothing. I'd say Praet has looked more positive in a city shirt so far of the two of them. But my point is that we've probably seen the best Praet can offer us while there's a very good case to be made that Soumaré's first season was stunted by a difficulty adjusting that maybe he could still yet overcome. 

 

Praet is a known quality and that quality is lacking. Soumaré could still potentially turn out to be decent. 

 

If Nigel Pearson had given up on Vardy the way it looks and feels like Rodgers gave up on Soumaré, we'd probably still be a Championship club. 

 

And look, maybe Soumaré isn't going to be good enough but given he was the starting midfielder for a Lille side that won the league in part owing to his solid ball progression stats and that he's racked up a fair few appearances for an extremely competitive French u21 side, it's fair to say at very least that we definitely haven't seen the best of him yet. 

 

Something that can also be said of Patson Daka, the integration of both of whom in to the side and their subsequent loss of confidence and form doesn't reflect brilliantly on Rodgers. 

Totally see that logic.

 

I just can’t see Soumare kicking on as he has too many flaws in his game that are required in a fast paced PL game.

 

As for Rodgers, I’m trying to be positive about him as has been successful in 2/3 seasons with us - before the Rodgers fan club jump down my throat….last season cannot be called a success when finished where our wage bill is placed, we bombed out of the FA cup to Forest and the football overall was turgid - not even mentioning the obvious set piece flaws that weren’t a problem according to the man himself for most of the season.

 

Every single one of us wants to start the season playing the high pressing/tempo football with us pushing at the top….another start like last season would see here/KP getting toxic pretty quickly wouldn’t it?

[dbtcity]

 

[mozartfox]

4 minutes ago, dbtcity said:

 

Just pay up the fee and all of his wages, or Fuchs off. This is becoming boring.

[MPH]

19 hours ago, MPH said:

I can see the headline now  “ forgotten midfielder  in from the cold and out to impress” when we don’t get any takers for him on our terms…

 

8 minutes ago, dbtcity said:

 

 

[indierich06]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

Except if you read the article, the 'club' mentioned is Torino 

[MPH]

8 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

Except if you read the article, the 'club' mentioned is Torino 

 

I was joking anyway- I don’t trust anything from sport witness!

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

26 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

Just pay up the fee and all of his wages, or Fuchs off. This is becoming boring.

Theyre about to sell Bremer so this will be sorted soon imo.

[JimJams]

To Inter? Meaning they might not want Cags. Doh!

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

3 hours ago, dbtcity said:

 

 

[Scotch]

I would 100% have him back in the understanding that he would be rotating/competing with KDH.  

[LFox99]

5 minutes ago, Scotch said:

I would 100% have him back in the understanding that he would be rotating/competing with KDH.  

Well, we know he doesn't want to do that

[Pliskin]

Get him gone. He is an average footballer and will be able to recoup some money for us…..

[Dahnsouff]

11 minutes ago, Scotch said:

I would 100% have him back in the understanding that he would be rotating/competing with KDH.  

Two way street, not servitude

[Sly]

He doesn’t want to be here and wants to play football. I’d imagine that’s partially to do with a certain international football competition that is occurring just before Christmas. 
 

If Tielemans leaves, he’s our next best midfielder to fill that slot. 
 

Let us be realistic though, he goes not improve our first 11.

[desertfox2]

21 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....watching Soumare play he looks like a special player and someone we desperately needed in our team!!!

We have seen his goal contributions prior to coming here, but his game was not measured by these criteria, and it would be folly for us to see such statistics and then decide to use him as a box-to-box player to assist and give support to our forwards. Sheer madness.

  Perhaps the need to change his game and adapt to the pace was all too much at once, and he failed to meet the requirement of his manager, and adhere to the instructions that were given to him. There could be a disconnect between Rodgers and Soumare, it just seems that Rodgers does not understand what he brings, and the player has little faith he can progress under a manager who does not understand him.

What attributes does he have that are good enough to be a starting player in the Prem for a team hoping to break in to the big 6? What did he do in France that made us really want to sign him? I didn't watch him much at Lille so it's possible that I'm missing something and I hope so. All I can see so far are some attributes of a holding player tackling, interceptions etc. Nothing to suggest he can create or score goals and he can't run so that's the box to box role gone unless he has spent the summer on a treadmill. What are you seeing that looks like a special player and someone we desperately need in the team? It's a game of opinions and it seems we are watch different games. 

[Scotch]

59 minutes ago, LFox99 said:

Well, we know he doesn't want to do that

Ofcourse he doesn't but quite honestly, that's the attitude that's got him in a situation were a mid table Seria A side are humming and hawing about paying a modest fee for him. 

 

If he had stayed here last year and fought for his place, he would probably have KDH's spot in the side. 

Edited 7 July 2022 by Scotch
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[sacreblueits442]

39 minutes ago, desertfox2 said:

What attributes does he have that are good enough to be a starting player in the Prem for a team hoping to break in to the big 6? What did he do in France that made us really want to sign him? I didn't watch him much at Lille so it's possible that I'm missing something and I hope so. All I can see so far are some attributes of a holding player tackling, interceptions etc. Nothing to suggest he can create or score goals and he can't run so that's the box to box role gone unless he has spent the summer on a treadmill. What are you seeing that looks like a special player and someone we desperately need in the team? It's a game of opinions and it seems we are watch different games. 

....he does not do the box-to-box, does not supply assists or goals, we knew that when we picked him up, we knew what he offered!!!

Attempting to play him, in a way that he does not, is a judgment call that is wrong. As I said before there are certain criteria you should not be judging him on. He will more than likely go back to France and be a star.

[LFox99]

Can't wait to see how they'll still act all broke