Soumare

[coolhandfox]

23 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Vestergaard most definitely is, but Soumare may well not be. Here lies the issue though, the club cannot allow Rodgers to recruit his own players and at the same time Rodgers then needs to work well with the players the club does recruit. There needs to be joined up thinking and it's a bit of a grey area on where the finger is being pointed for last summers disasters.

 

Rodgers seems more than happy to recognise when signings haven't worked out and either not play them or get rid, it's actually quite alarming how many this has happened to under him, not to mention the loan signings not then signed permanently.

 

Praet

Perez

Bennett

Ünder

Vestergaard

Soumare

I don't think you can stick those two one was an emergency and and the other was never going to be good enough to pay 22m for post loan, so why invest time in him once that is clear.

 

So for me that leaves Praet, Perez, Soumare and Vestgaard.

 

Perez has made a 100 appearance, and I think would have played more this season without injuries and niggles, he season never really going after the red at West Ham.   

Vesty has been a complete disaster and I have no problem with us making a quick decision.

Praet didn't want to be a squad player.    

 

No club get every signing right 

[An Sionnach]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

Did we sign him (Soumare) and expect him alongside Patson to take a season to acclimatise to the PL ? We’ve already decided that is too much work and looking to sell. We’ve been unbelievably poor in our recruitment last summer. Nearly as bad as 2016. 

You should not have believed the ludicrous hype that went on on here last summer. KDH, who cost nowt , has outperformed all the signings and most of the squad in fact. We cannot afford another summer of unproven , overrated under performers.

[Bluearmyfox28]

10 minutes ago, MPH said:

Well, we want players in  so the money and wages have to come from somewhere.  Can’t just add a bunch of players- not got the wage budget for it even if they are freebies.

 

 

But it is worth noting that we haven’t transfer listed them, we’ve just said we’d listen to offers. I doubt there’s huge movement behind the scenes to unsettled them and force them to move on./

Personally I think that’s just a smart way of giving ourselves a better hand in negotiations, to me it’s as good as being transfer listed.

[westernpark]

So we’ll be on the lookout for central midfielders regardless of Tielemans. I think it’s too soon on Soumare, I would argue this reflects badly on the manager and club rather than the player, especially after limited playing time over a season. Soumare,Praet, Tielemans and possibly Mendy to go. I hope we replace at least one of these with a bstard, who kicks anything that moves.

[Viva]

47 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Very disappointed in the decision to allow Soumare to leave. I can only imagine that he’s off the field troubles aren’t resolved by him staying. More money wasted by the club. 

Soumare has looked terrible. I’d be more than happy to take a loss on him and put that towards another player. 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

Just now, An Sionnach said:

You should not have believed the ludicrous hype that went on on here last summer. KDH, who cost nowt , has outperformed all the signings and most of the squad in fact. We cannot afford another summer of unproven , overrated under performers.

It wasn’t on here. It was Brendan. 
 

“Patson [Daka] and Bouba [Soumare], this is going to be a year of adaption for them: they’re going to be important players for us, of course, and make a really good contribution, but I’m relaxed on their development this coming season”

 

We’ve evidently given up on that. 

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 minute ago, westernpark said:

So we’ll be on the lookout for central midfielders regardless of Tielemans. I think it’s too soon on Soumare, I would argue this reflects badly on the manager and club rather than the player, especially after limited playing time over a season. Soumare,Praet, Tielemans and possibly Mendy to go. I hope we replace at least one of these with a bstard, who kicks anything that moves.

I would argue that we’ve been trying to ship Hamza out the past few windows too.

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 minute ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

It wasn’t on here. It was Brendan. 
 

“Patson [Daka] and Bouba [Soumare], this is going to be a year of adaption for them: they’re going to be important players for us, of course, and make a really good contribution, but I’m relaxed on their development this coming season”

 

We’ve evidently given up on that. 

The key is “make a really good contribution” Daka has had his moments and shown flashes that you can be patient with.

I personally don’t feel like Soumare has shown anything that makes me feel optimistic about his future at this club. 

[GingerrrFox]

Never really given a chance in his natural position. It would be a shame to see him leave as he is quite clearly talented. 

[pazzerfox]

Nobody will take either of them. 

[Guest StevieLynex]

7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

No club get every signing right 

We've spent alot of money getting quite a few wrong

[lanefox]

44 minutes ago, jonny_wright said:

Good riddance, only 2016 was a worse window than last summer, need to improve! last summer zero signings have made an impact in the first team

Daka?

[AjcW]

So a quarter of this rebuild is rebuilding what we tried to rebuild last summer?

 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

1 minute ago, pazzerfox said:

Nobody will take either of them. 

There'll be plenty of willing takers back in France for Soumare, most definitely. Probably on a loan with an option to buy similar to Praet at Torino.

[Shane]

So we’re losing 4 central midfielders this summer? Soumare, Tielemans, Praet and probably Choudhury.

 

Doesn’t leave us with much depth. Brendan did say we need to sign 2 midfielders this summer, so lets just hope we get it right.
 

We cannot afford to sign some Vestergaard esque flops in midfield.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

5 minutes ago, AjcW said:

So a quarter of this rebuild is rebuilding what we tried to rebuild last summer?

 

It's not a rebuild. It's a refresh, according to Brendan. So we're refreshing the rebuild.

[Ric Flair]

13 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I don't think you can stick those two one was an emergency and and the other was never going to be good enough to pay 22m for post loan, so why invest time in him once that is clear.

 

So for me that leaves Praet, Perez, Soumare and Vestgaard.

 

Perez has made a 100 appearance, and I think would have played more this season without injuries and niggles, he season never really going after the red at West Ham.   

Vesty has been a complete disaster and I have no problem with us making a quick decision.

Praet didn't want to be a squad player.    

 

No club get every signing right 

Of course no club gets every signing right but we're not far off about 50/50 I'd stagger a guess at? We must do better than that, this is what we pride ourselves on as a way of competing with the big 6.

 

I don't mind Rodgers acknowledging when he realises a player isn't currently/ever good enough and acting but history also shows that binning players off less than a year in to bringing them in would have prevented many successful players both here and in the history of the PL from doing what they did. 

 

 

[Bluearmyfox28]

3 minutes ago, Shane said:

So we’re losing 4 central midfielders this summer? Soumare, Tielemans, Praet and probably Choudhury.

 

Doesn’t leave us with much depth. Brendan did say we need to sign 2 midfielders this summer, so lets just hope we get it right.
 

We cannot afford to sign some Vestergaard esque flops in midfield.

I think In terms of depth were losing 3 as Praet was already as good as gone imo.

 

Hamza I think we can afford to lose (I feel like he’s only been kept for the homegrown quota) we need to sign another midfielder who can play CDM if required but offer more in terms of driving forward (Sangare) & another No.8/10 like Eriksen.

 

would leave us with:

 

CDM - Ndidi, Mendy, Sangare

No.8 - KDH, Sangare, Eriksen

No.10 - Maddison, Eriksen

 

[coolhandfox]

Just now, StevieLynex said:

We've spent alot of money getting quite a few wrong

Show me a club that hasn't. 

 

It's about make as few as possible and when you do make one, getting as much back as possible

[Happy Fox]

Eriksen and Sangare and we are good to go imo

[Shane]

1 minute ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I think In terms of depth were losing 3 as Praet was already as good as gone imo.

 

Hamza I think we can afford to lose (I feel like he’s only been kept for the homegrown quota) we need to sign another midfielder who can play CDM if required but offer more in terms of driving forward (Sangare) & another No.8/10 like Eriksen.

 

would leave us with:

 

CDM - Ndidi, Mendy, Sangare

No.8 - KDH, Sangare, Eriksen

No.10 - Maddison, Eriksen

 

Looks good that. Would love Sangare!

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

Eriksen and Sangare and we are good to go imo

Would only likely cost you around £25m in transfer fee’s too.

[turlo]

8 minutes ago, Shane said:

So we’re losing 4 central midfielders this summer? Soumare, Tielemans, Praet and probably Choudhury.

 

Doesn’t leave us with much depth. Brendan did say we need to sign 2 midfielders this summer, so lets just hope we get it right.
 

We cannot afford to sign some Vestergaard esque flops in midfield.

Possibly Mendy as well if his contract is running into its last year + Rodgers clearly wanted shot of him last summer. 

[Kinowe Soorie]

Ponderous.

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 minute ago, Shane said:

Looks good that. Would love Sangare!

In doing so your freeing up wages on Youri, Praet, Hamza & Soumare which I can imagine to be at least £200k a week.

 

Then you are also bringing in around £60m in fee’s… Youri £30m, Praet £10m, Hamza £10m, Soumare £10m.
 

Minus £25-£30m for Sangare that then leaves you with £30-£35m in transfer fee’s.