Bryn Posted 27 May 2022 Posted 27 May 2022 Never want to see Vestergaard play for the club again. Soumare has potential but hasn't settled, fine with him going, we should recoup our money.
Kinowe Soorie Posted 27 May 2022 Posted 27 May 2022 5 minutes ago, ceebeefox said: Another foreign flop. We need to pick out the cream of the championship which , pace wise is akin to the premier league and bring on our own stars. The talent is there if you look for it but we seem to be more keen on lesser leagues abroad for scouting. I agree with this to some extent, but it’s probably the fees involved. Better value in France… if they can settle in here!?
Popular Post smudger63 Posted 2 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 2 June 2022 2 minutes ago, Lcfc-1992 said: I wouldn't loan him, i just can't see the point. Its like Praet, what have we really got out of that, his value has gone down because he has one year less on his contract, and the club we loaned him too basically want us to give him to them for next to nothing. For me we either give Soumare another 12 month and see if he improves or we sell him and add funds to the transfer kitty, and hope to get an improved replacement. 13
Popular Post st albans fox Posted 2 June 2022 Popular Post Posted 2 June 2022 9 minutes ago, smudger63 said: I wouldn't loan him, i just can't see the point. Its like Praet, what have we really got out of that, his value has gone down because he has one year less on his contract, and the club we loaned him too basically want us to give him to them for next to nothing. For me we either give Soumare another 12 month and see if he improves or we sell him and add funds to the transfer kitty, and hope to get an improved replacement. Bouba with three years left or four years left doesn’t affect his value if he goes to France for a year and under performs then we struggle to sell him if he goes to France for a year and does well then we either give him another opportunity to settle here or we sell him for more than we’d get now. nothing is risk free I’d be tempted to take the loan option if we can be sure he will be somewhere that he will feel settled praet’s value hasn’t really changed hes missed a good few months of the season due to injury and he simply hasn’t performed as a £23m player should. That’s why his value is still short of what we want. 5
JimmyC74 Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 Loaning him back to a club in France or elsewhere abroad may help him regain his confidence but won’t help him acclimatise in the Premier League. We will get a loan fee but, we probably would need to cover a % of his wages and any future sale fee would be further reduced as we would be a year closer to contract expiry. If we have no option then loan him out, but if Brendan doesn’t believe in him (which appears the case) we better look to sell him now. Target someone ready to compete for a starting position and improve the first eleven.
BKLFox Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 I’m split on a loan, if he goes out whilst good for him to rediscover his mojo it probably means we don’t sell 1 of the midfielders we planned to due to cover so holds up the restructure but if he stays but not a starter when does he get his chances? Top has said without Europe he would like us to do well in the cups. I think maybe a loan till January get some games in his legs then 2nd half of season back to us he will play due to ours and other teams internationals burning out from the W Cup
volpeazzurro Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 23 minutes ago, smudger63 said: I wouldn't loan him, i just can't see the point. Its like Praet, what have we really got out of that, his value has gone down because he has one year less on his contract, and the club we loaned him too basically want us to give him to them for next to nothing. For me we either give Soumare another 12 month and see if he improves or we sell him and add funds to the transfer kitty, and hope to get an improved replacement. The problem is if nobody actually wants to buy him. Also, if he stays, he takes up a valuable squad place. 1
smudger63 Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 3 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: The problem is if nobody actually wants to buy him. Also, if he stays, he takes up a valuable squad place. I do know what you mean, but he was highly thought of in France before coming to us, so I expect there will be some interest from there, all be it we would have to take a loss on what we paid for him. I just don't see the point in loaning him out, we would probably end up paying some of his wages anyway, and as it's unlikely he would get a move to another Premier league club, he wouldn't be getting any more experience that may make him an asset to us in the future. It is a tough one, because as you say, to keep him would be to use up a squad place though. One way or another I think it's clear in any case that he has no future here. 1
iancognito Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 On 27/05/2022 at 09:47, ceebeefox said: Another foreign flop. We need to pick out the cream of the championship which , pace wise is akin to the premier league and bring on our own stars. The talent is there if you look for it but we seem to be more keen on lesser leagues abroad for scouting. It's a bit strong to call him a flop. the guy's had problems adapting to the culture and pace of the game, it happens. And it's not like we haven't had a lot of success with lesser leagues abroad over the years.Knockaert, Mahrez, Kante, Ndidi, Okazaki and Fuchs were all bargains. Players like Maguire and Maddison cost more than all those put together. You're right, the talent is there but the clubs know they've got talent and charge a premium, this is why a lot of Prem managers go foreign instead of British. The value for money is so much better.There's no problem going for foreign players if your recruitment team has done it's job properly - players like Slimani, Inler and maybe Musa were always going to be quare pegs in round holes. 1 1
UHDrive Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 2 hours ago, st albans fox said: Bouba with three years left or four years left doesn’t affect his value if he goes to France for a year and under performs then we struggle to sell him if he goes to France for a year and does well then we either give him another opportunity to settle here or we sell him for more than we’d get now. nothing is risk free I’d be tempted to take the loan option if we can be sure he will be somewhere that he will feel settled praet’s value hasn’t really changed hes missed a good few months of the season due to injury and he simply hasn’t performed as a £23m player should. That’s why his value is still short of what we want. He needs to be sold outright. No loans that could potentially undercut a future sale prices dependant on his performances. Regardless of personal issues he chose to sign the contract and to move to the Premier leugue. My opinion is that the club make it clear to him and his reps that its a one way exit and if they can't make a deal work then sitting on the bench isn't going to help him but that that's what what will happen.
SafewayFox Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 It’s such a tough situation as if those 3 clubs are all French - bar PSG who won’t want him, which ones could afford his wages? I honestly fear that he’ll get loaned to a couple of different clubs over the next two years - fall in love with one and go back their with us matching his wages until it runs out and only get 8/10m for him. Such an important learn for Rodgers/recruitment team to identify a position and key attributes enhance the team not one that offers the ability to drive with the ball but not a lot else.
LFox99 Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 6 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: bar PSG who won’t want him, which ones could afford his wages? Lyon, Monaco would be obvious candidates with the likely outgoings they'll have in their respective midfield departments. No clue who the 3rd might be
Guest Lcfc82 Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 Loaning him out is a waste of time if we don’t rate him just get him gone and try and recoup some of the money spent on him.
CosbehFox Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 I see we are using some waffle chatter of a Twitter account as gospel 2
Aus Fox Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 1 hour ago, Lcfc82 said: Loaning him out is a waste of time if we don’t rate him just get him gone and try and recoup some of the money spent on him. I think we do rate him though, that’s why we don’t want to get rid yet. If he can go somewhere he’s comfortable for a year, regain his love of playing, get support for the personal problems he’s had and come back in a year ready to give it another go. The lads only 23, returning to us with another year of maturity and resolving his offfield issues could see us have the player we’ve seen glimpses of and thought we were getting. I think we just need to be patient with this one
Grebfromgrebland Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 I think the real reason he's out the door is that he wasn't Brendan's choice to buy in the first place. As he didn't hit the ground running his Leicester career was as good as over. 1
Bordersfox Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 14 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said: I think the real reason he's out the door is that he wasn't Brendan's choice to buy in the first place. As he didn't hit the ground running his Leicester career was as good as over. He hit the ground strolling and he's been strolling ever since. Clearly a talented lad but he's either extraordinarily one paced or just doesn't give a sh1t. You might be right about him not being Rodgers choice. I still hope he comes good.
Stadt Posted 2 June 2022 Posted 2 June 2022 Any loan would have to include an obligation to buy. Even if we only paid half of his wages for a year that's probably c. £2.5m whilst rumbling around for Nantes. Cut our losses on him.
funkyrobot Posted 3 June 2022 Posted 3 June 2022 16 hours ago, iancognito said: It's a bit strong to call him a flop. the guy's had problems adapting to the culture and pace of the game, it happens. And it's not like we haven't had a lot of success with lesser leagues abroad over the years.Knockaert, Mahrez, Kante, Ndidi, Okazaki and Fuchs were all bargains. Players like Maguire and Maddison cost more than all those put together. You're right, the talent is there but the clubs know they've got talent and charge a premium, this is why a lot of Prem managers go foreign instead of British. The value for money is so much better.There's no problem going for foreign players if your recruitment team has done it's job properly - players like Slimani, Inler and maybe Musa were always going to be quare pegs in round holes. You’re being too kind to the lad. Irrespective of the reasons for his poor season, he’s been a flop. He wasn’t even in the squad for the last few games. A massive disappointment and we saw very little of the talent that he showed playing in France.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 3 June 2022 Posted 3 June 2022 On 27/05/2022 at 09:47, ceebeefox said: Another foreign flop. We need to pick out the cream of the championship which , pace wise is akin to the premier league and bring on our own stars. The talent is there if you look for it but we seem to be more keen on lesser leagues abroad for scouting. Are you saying we should only buy English Players as these will be more successful? Cos that's what you're implying.
SafewayFox Posted 3 June 2022 Posted 3 June 2022 14 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Are you saying we should only buy English Players as these will be more successful? Cos that's what you're implying. Whilst I don’t agree with the phrase another foreign flop. I do feel looking in the Championship is clearly something we have done well previously look at how our recognised two best players this season came from - Madders (cost less than Soumare from Norwich) KDH (that Luton loan steered him into the path he’s currently on IMO) A player who is smashing it in the Championship is worth looking at as less of a gamble when taking external factors such as adapting to England etc is what I hope the poster meant.
Supergray22 Posted 3 June 2022 Posted 3 June 2022 13 hours ago, majaco said: Luton!!!!!!!! That might not be a bad idea 😀
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