Soumare

[Tanya]

Soumare has been awful though. Just so off the pace and completely unaware of what is going around him. He's not bad but not suited to the league. Best to cut our losses while his stock is still high back in France.

 

Last summer wasn't good, altho I have high hope for Daka and think Lookman is very solid. 

[Bluearmyfox28]

3 minutes ago, turlo said:

Possibly Mendy as well if his contract is running into its last year + Rodgers clearly wanted shot of him last summer. 

Possibly, I hope not personally.

 

I would hope the way Mendy has stepped up in Ndidi’s presence shows his importance to the squad & gained BR’s trust.

[kingfox]

When we signed him, a few posters including myself wondered where he’d fit. He is just a guy who’s a good ball carrier, nothing more. His defensive stats and attacking stats in Ligue 1 were non existent, that was proven to be the case with us too. The biggest annoyance I found with Soumare though was his laziness, the Arsenal home game always sticks out, a masterclass in jogging. 
 

His replacement needs to have more about them, someone who can carry the ball, but contributes at both ends of the pitch. 

[turlo]

22 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

You should not have believed the ludicrous hype that went on on here last summer. KDH, who cost nowt , has outperformed all the signings and most of the squad in fact. We cannot afford another summer of unproven , overrated under performers.

There's always going to be that risk when we buy younger players high potential from Europe or from the lower leagues. Vestergaard on the other hand we knew exactly what we were getting and should've known he can't play in a high line, which Rodgers uses. 

[slymunn]

5 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

In doing so your freeing up wages on Youri, Praet, Hamza & Soumare which I can imagine to be at least £200k a week.

 

Then you are also bringing in around £60m in fee’s… Youri £30m, Praet £10m, Hamza £10m, Soumare £10m.
 

Minus £25-£30m for Sangare that then leaves you with £30-£35m in transfer fee’s.

 

Then a couple of signings like Tarkowski and De Ketelaere to break even. 

[baldeagle]

23 minutes ago, StevieLynex said:

We've spent alot of money getting quite a few wrong

So have Man U 

[Tanya]

How much is the Belgian lad going to cost? The second striker-esque player we have been linked with?

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Tanya said:

How much is the Belgian lad going to cost? The second striker-esque player we have been linked with?

About 30m (Euros)

[hejammy]

Honestly I am fine with this, every time I have seem him play he does not seem capable in this league, Far too slow with and without the ball, takes too long to make decisions and gets caught in possession far too often. I am not sure that his personal problems will have much baring on these things. So for me it's a wise decision to let him go

[Bluearmyfox28]

9 minutes ago, kingfox said:

When we signed him, a few posters including myself wondered where he’d fit. He is just a guy who’s a good ball carrier, nothing more. His defensive stats and attacking stats in Ligue 1 were non existent, that was proven to be the case with us too. The biggest annoyance I found with Soumare though was his laziness, the Arsenal home game always sticks out, a masterclass in jogging. 
 

His replacement needs to have more about them, someone who can carry the ball, but contributes at both ends of the pitch. 

100% Soumare play style is somewhat of a luxury player who you give the freedom to do his thing without a specific role. 
 

1) Unless you are the top 6 you can not really afford to have this type of player.

 

2) he is no way near the quality to even be considered a luxury player.

[Bluearmyfox28]

9 minutes ago, slymunn said:

 

Then a couple of signings like Tarkowski and De Ketelaere to break even. 

I’m against Tarkowski personally, would prefer to attempt to find someone with similar traits to little Wes. I have seen a few people mention some lads from the Bundersliga.

 

I am personally worried about De Ketelaere also if we are bringing him in to play right wing. The only way I can see it being successful is if we play with inverted wingers and have our fullbacks push forward a lot more with Ndidi filling in.

[Haywood_6]

I don't think Soumare looks cut out for this league. Take a look at KDH compared to him. The difference is unbelievable. One is full of energy and the other just seems to wander through games. We had hopes but in the end him and Vestergaard were not suited to us from the beginning. It's the right decision to listen to offers and just try and get back what we can. 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

40 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

The key is “make a really good contribution” Daka has had his moments and shown flashes that you can be patient with.

I personally don’t feel like Soumare has shown anything that makes me feel optimistic about his future at this club. 

So I can criticise the recruitment (which is the point of my original posts). Its quite damming that we've had two who have come in and contributed quite negatively. One who (as expected) has shown flashes. One who has struggled with the pace of the league (which was again expected) but has failed so miserably the management have chosen to cut its losses after 1 year. 

 

As I said, really poor window. 

[Lesta Legend]

31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Show me a club that hasn't. 

 

It's about make as few as possible and when you do make one, getting as much back as possible

All clubs do make mistakes. 
 

As a club we’ve got a lot right which reflects in our on pitch success. 
 

Personally think Soumare has the talent there, he’s shown glimpses. Vesty was a complete waste of money. 
 

The club and BR need to get the next ones right and hope we can get rid of the ones we need to sell. 

[The_77]

I wonder how well most of us would do at 22, moving to a new country with a new language where we’re competing against the best in the world. I think we’d require a bit of patience. 

[Guest]

I was well excited with his little cameo in the Community Shield when he was bouncing Man City players around like he was a sixth-former playing against a bunch of toddlers. Every time I've seen him since he's looked absolutely miles off the pace.

[slymunn]

11 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I’m against Tarkowski personally, would prefer to attempt to find someone with similar traits to little Wes. I have seen a few people mention some lads from the Bundersliga.

 

I am personally worried about De Ketelaere also if we are bringing him in to play right wing. The only way I can see it being successful is if we play with inverted wingers and have our fullbacks push forward a lot more with Ndidi filling in.

I'm not saying it's who I would sign personally. Just two players we have had ongoing links to and could be the signings they make. 

 

Problem with two players similar to ittle Wes is them both doing the same thing...looks at him and Soyuncu together if that makes sense?

 

Tarks could be the rotation and injury cover for Evans/Fofana without weakening the team too much. Cant see us spending another 20 million on a defender when we already have our first choice ones at the club. 

[foxpleasure]

1 hour ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Rodgers isn't having him which is a shame as there's many at the club who think there's a player there.

Think I'd rather trust BR's judgement than some members of the catering staff. And anyway it looks like his off field issues are the deciding factor

[LFox99]

47 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

Would only likely cost you around £25m in transfer fee’s too.

PSV are holding out for 40m (Euros), so probably like £33m for Sangaré. Good luck getting him for 25

[Bluearmyfox28]

22 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

So I can criticise the recruitment (which is the point of my original posts). Its quite damming that we've had two who have come in and contributed quite negatively. One who (as expected) has shown flashes. One who has struggled with the pace of the league (which was again expected) but has failed so miserably the management have chosen to cut its losses after 1 year. 

 

As I said, really poor window. 

I agree with you overall, sometimes I think expectations on Daka was way too high in the first place and I think he’s had a good first season in terms of realistic expectations (10 goals, 3 assists in like 30 appearances)

 

He’s only 23 years old & this was his first season in one of Europe’s major leagues. The highest level he played in prior to this year was the Austrian Bundersliga.

 

 

[Bluearmyfox28]

17 minutes ago, slymunn said:

I'm not saying it's who I would sign personally. Just two players we have had ongoing links to and could be the signings they make. 

 

Problem with two players similar to ittle Wes is them both doing the same thing...looks at him and Soyuncu together if that makes sense?

 

Tarks could be the rotation and injury cover for Evans/Fofana without weakening the team too much. Cant see us spending another 20 million on a defender when we already have our first choice ones at the club. 

I guess to your last point, in comes down to the clubs trust in Evans longevity/injury record and realistically how long we have Fofana until some throws serious money at him.

[Bluearmyfox28]

9 minutes ago, LFox99 said:

PSV are holding out for 40m (Euros), so probably like £33m for Sangaré. Good luck getting him for 25

More than I expected but I can’t see them turning down £30m.

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Of course no club gets every signing right but we're not far off about 50/50 I'd stagger a guess at? We must do better than that, this is what we pride ourselves on as a way of competing with the big 6.

 

I don't mind Rodgers acknowledging when he realises a player isn't currently/ever good enough and acting but history also shows that binning players off less than a year in to bringing them in would have prevented many successful players both here and in the history of the PL from doing what they did. 

 

 

As build a better squad, it become harder to improve it, with limited funds.

 

I don't think our record is too bad, 

 

 

Patson Daka	JURY OUT
Boubakary Soumaré	JURY OUT
Jannik Vestergaard	MISS
Ademola Lookman	HIT
Timothy Castagne	HIT
Wesley Fofana	HIT
Cengiz Ünder	MISS
James Justin	HIT
Ayoze Pérez	SPLIT DECISION
Dennis Praet	SPLIT DECISION
Ryan Bennett	MISS

 

 

My biggest gripe we have never improve RW which would be the easy position to find someone better.  

 

 

[trickytrevbenjamin]

I was hugely excited by the signing of Soumare with his glowing rep from stats focussed journalists/sites. Most in the know seemed to think he would be a huge hit however he’s just looked completely lost and out of his depth bar a few moments of quality to me.
 

Surprised to see so many Twitter accounts disappointed we are happy to sell. Yes given another year he could improve but if not it could be another Adrien Silva (accept he was way older) experience of gradually losing value and paying him off etc. 

[AjcW]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

It's not a rebuild. It's a refresh, according to Brendan. So we're refreshing the rebuild.

Ahh nice! I look forward to January when we freshen up the refresh.