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[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, LestaLad said:

Ffs.. Please no. Just hope we are one of the clubs exploring a move.

Hahahahaa they'll get Kokcu and Torino will get Vlasic and Praet will join Tielemans with nowhere to go. What a summer.

[Dusty]

29 minutes ago, turlo said:

their new shareholders are minted and want to invest. their FFP situation is also quite good due to a much lower wage bill than ours

Do they have a lower wage bill? A quick google search suggests they’re paying about £5m more a season than us, which is just under 10% more.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Dusty said:

Do they have a lower wage bill? A quick google search suggests they’re paying about £5m more a season than us, which is just under 10% more.

Surely this a consequence of having a large stadia and filling it, payments can be offset against future revenue I guess

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....the pointers have been, that it is the wages bill we are attempting to overcome!!!

Signing another midfielder with Youri still on the books is not going to help our position. Your assumption that the club believes Youri is going to stay, with no actual indication of what he intends to do, only points to us indulging him and the club not knowing where to turn.

 The combination of limited finance and excess wages, does not give the impression that we can afford to stockpile and have people in place, a season before they would be needed.

I said the club assumes he is leaving, not staying.

 

I have no idea why people think the club is broke...it's just not stupid with their money. We only have Youri's wages on the books for another year, and they aren't as high as they would be if he signed a new deal.

 

The club won't be held hostage on signing a midfielder this year waiting for a guy with only a year left on his contract and actively looking for a new club "to make up his mind."

[turlo]

3 minutes ago, Dusty said:

Do they have a lower wage bill? A quick google search suggests they’re paying about £5m more a season than us, which is just under 10% more.

From Swiss Ramble, who's figures are taken direct from the clubs accounts, our total wage bill has gone through the roof in recent years - these figures will include staff costs as well. 

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, turlo said:

From Swiss Ramble, who's figures are taken direct from the clubs accounts, our total wage bill has gone through the roof in recent years - these figures will include staff costs as well. 

 

 

Were we not talking about West Ham?  

[Dusty]

2 minutes ago, turlo said:

From Swiss Ramble, who's figures are taken direct from the clubs accounts, our total wage bill has gone through the roof in recent years - these figures will include staff costs as well. 

 

 

Yeah that is scarily high isn’t it. Would be interesting to see a breakdown of first team, u23s, u19s and staff to see where we’re spending it all. 

[turlo]

3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Were we not talking about West Ham?  

lt's on the graph. West Ham = 129m on wages vs us on 192m. West Hams cost of current squad is significantly lower than ours as well

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, turlo said:

lt's on the graph. West Ham = 129m on wages vs us on 192m. West Hams cost of current squad is significantly lower than ours as well

My bad, the post did not show a twitter link when I first looked, likely my suspect internet, but blimey thats a much bigger difference that I would expect

 

[Lambert09]

35 minutes ago, Dusty said:

Yeah that is scarily high isn’t it. Would be interesting to see a breakdown of first team, u23s, u19s and staff to see where we’re spending it all. 

george hirst is supposedly on over 10k pw… that is beyond criminal 

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Hahahahaa they'll get Kokcu and Torino will get Vlasic and Praet will join Tielemans with nowhere to go. What a summer.

“What I meant by refresh is the lads need a trip to Dubai” 

[hackneyfox]

54 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

george hirst is supposedly on over 10k pw… that is beyond criminal 

Choudhury allegedly on 62k a week, there is no excuse for that, at no point in his career has he looked anything better than a below average PL player. Whoever it was that was sniffing around when his contract was up for renewal we should have made them make an offer before deciding on his salary increase.

I'm all for paying our top players a good whack to keep the here but we pay far too much to some of our other players, Hurst & Choudhury being prime examples if the figures can be believed.

[An Sionnach]

9 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Choudhury allegedly on 62k a week, there is no excuse for that, at no point in his career has he looked anything better than a below average PL player. Whoever it was that was sniffing around when his contract was up for renewal we should have made them make an offer before deciding on his salary increase.

I'm all for paying our top players a good whack to keep the here but we pay far too much to some of our other players, Hurst & Choudhury being prime examples if the figures can be believed.

Apparently Sancho signed a contract for 12.5 million a year , four times what Hamza gets. At no point this season has Sancho looked more than an average winger. Certainly not as good as Lookman.

[Phenom]

7 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Apparently Sancho signed a contract for 12.5 million a year , four times what Hamza gets. At no point this season has Sancho looked more than an average winger. Certainly not as good as Lookman.

Are you seriously comparing Sancho and Hamza? 

[hackneyfox]

12 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Apparently Sancho signed a contract for 12.5 million a year , four times what Hamza gets. At no point this season has Sancho looked more than an average winger. Certainly not as good as Lookman.

He looked a lot better towards the end of the season.

He was signed by Man U for 85m euros.

He previously played for Dortmund and scored 38 goals in 104 appearances.

 

I'd say that means that Choudhury should be on a lot less than 25% of Sancho's salary.

 

Not sure where there is any comparison between the two part from them being football players.

 

[Gerard]

24 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Apparently Sancho signed a contract for 12.5 million a year , four times what Hamza gets. At no point this season has Sancho looked more than an average winger. Certainly not as good as Lookman.

 

Sancho looked like a star in Germany with Dortmund, hence the move to a huge club, transfer fee and salary.

 

Hamza at his best here has never looked anything more than capable. If he really is on 60k a week we deserve what we get. No problem seeing our top players on mega money but paying a squad player that kind of money is reap what you sow.

[An Sionnach]

50 minutes ago, Phenom said:

Are you seriously comparing Sancho and Hamza? 

On value for money terms , yes.

[goose2010]

2 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

On value for money terms , yes.

 think i know the one i would rather have! 

 

 

[An Sionnach]

Just now, goose2010 said:

 think i know the one i would rather have! 

 

 

Sancho at 62k a week I would take a chance on.

[UHDrive]

7 hours ago, turlo said:

From Swiss Ramble, who's figures are taken direct from the clubs accounts, our total wage bill has gone through the roof in recent years - these figures will include staff costs as well. 

 

 

On a serious note we should be offloading players by now.

[FoxesWalk]

16 hours ago, turlo said:

From Swiss Ramble, who's figures are taken direct from the clubs accounts, our total wage bill has gone through the roof in recent years - these figures will include staff costs as well. 

 

 

That is pretty concerning tbh, based on last season we are massively overpaying for mediocrity, though our recent successes are to blame (thank?) for some of the big contracts we have been handing out over the last few seasons I guess 

[SafewayFox]

18 hours ago, turlo said:

their new shareholders are minted and want to invest. their FFP situation is also quite good due to a much lower wage bill than ours

Wow!

 

That graph is pretty damning and only heightens how much we have progressed as a club/expectations raised.

 

This summer might result in a couple of loans in before reviewing what happens when some big names contracts run out next season.

[UHDrive]

20 hours ago, turlo said:

lt's on the graph. West Ham = 129m on wages vs us on 192m. West Hams cost of current squad is significantly lower than ours as well

Makes me wonder how FFP is calculated at West Ham and whether it is different because they only rent the stadium out? 

 

They even had to ask for permission to colour the AstroTurf in their minging brown colour around the pitch 🤮

[turlo]

4 hours ago, FoxesWalk said:

That is pretty concerning tbh, based on last season we are massively overpaying for mediocrity, though our recent successes are to blame (thank?) for some of the big contracts we have been handing out over the last few seasons I guess 

If i remember rightly, our wage bill started to increase significantly in 19/20 season as we tried to strengthen the squad to get into Europe/compete in multiple competitions. This happened again last summer, with the squad players we brought in all earning around 70-80k/week. That coupled with renewing contracts of higher performing players and struggling to shift high earning deadwood, has resulted in our wage bill going through the roof. Would be interesting to see how much staff costs contribute to this, as we've recruited a lot on the none coaching staff side of things as well.

[coolhandfox]

When comparing our wage bill against others, be mindful that you may not be comparing apples with apples; we had an element of deferred salaries due to COVID causing account issues. 

 

Swiss Ramble post on us: LCFC wage bill shot up £35m (22%) from £157m to £192m, partly due to deferred salaries