L'pool /Spurs/W.Ham Why/where did it turn toxic

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26 minutes ago, SemperEadem said:

Yeah correct. 
It went up at notch after the Everton cup game (Singing one Boris Johnson etc) and the one game where phones in L1 were showing the logo of The Sun.

There was never that strong swell of feeling on our side prior to those games in my experience. Guess those games play into the twitter/politics stuff.

WTF. please tell me you're joking? 

[Dames]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

But doesn't every other bang average, run of the mill fanbase do it to them as well? I really doubt we're anything special.

 

I assume almost every club in the country has gone to Brighton and sung about holding hands, the same lot that come here every year and sing 'where were you when you were shit' and other such predictable muck.

 

Football fans are, with very few exceptions, almost universally predictable and unfunny with some of the absolute worst banter going.

A small section of our fans have been particularly bad during recent visits to Anfield and Goodison. 

 

That as well as the stuff on socials being amplified, we've got a very toxic fanbase on Twitter at the minute and a few of them have gone after the Hillsborough disaster among other things which has wound all the scousers up. 

[Bilo]

1 hour ago, Finnegan said:

 

But doesn't every other bang average, run of the mill fanbase do it to them as well? I really doubt we're anything special.

 

I assume almost every club in the country has gone to Brighton and sung about holding hands, the same lot that come here every year and sing 'where were you when you were shit' and other such predictable muck.

 

Football fans are, with very few exceptions, almost universally predictable and unfunny with some of the absolute worst banter going.

Definitely this. 

 

I doubt we're singing anything they don't hear from everyone who plays them between November and January.  Most football banter is either recycled or outright stolen anyway, especially in the age of social media where a chant can go viral before the game has finished.

 

Not as if Liverpool fans are wholly innocent towards us given the videos of some of theirs doing helicopter gestures after we beat them 1-0 in the league.

[Corky]

Can't stand Liverpool but loathe the Feed The Scousers nonsense. Given we, sadly, have Foodbank collections at our own ground, the sentiment of the chant could easily be chucked at us or any number of clubs currently.

 

Tottenham was a thing for about six months that is somehow still going on (why?) and I've not seen much West Ham stuff.

[Finnegan]

45 minutes ago, Dames said:

A small section of our fans have been particularly bad during recent visits to Anfield and Goodison. 

 

That as well as the stuff on socials being amplified, we've got a very toxic fanbase on Twitter at the minute and a few of them have gone after the Hillsborough disaster among other things which has wound all the scousers up. 

 

I'm not questioning that it happens I'm just saying they probably hear it from half the teams in the league, particularly as @Bilo says, in the winter. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Feed the Scousers is brain-dead as sin but we are a fanbase who've come up with such classics as 

 

YUKI ABE,

HE'LL EAT YOUR ****ING DOG

 

TUNCHEV, WOAH,

TUNCHEV, WOAH,

HE WAS A REFUGEE

NOW HE'S QUALITY

[Bilo]

11 minutes ago, Corky said:

Can't stand Liverpool but loathe the Feed The Scousers nonsense. Given we, sadly, have Foodbank collections at our own ground, the sentiment of the chant could easily be chucked at us or any number of clubs currently.

 

Tottenham was a thing for about six months that is somehow still going on (why?) and I've not seen much West Ham stuff.

The fact UFS do food bank collections just makes both sets look stupid frankly. 

 

It makes us look daft given the poverty that, sadly, exists in our city, and the Liverpool fans' kneejerk response that we're basically Thatcherite FC ring more than a little hollow.

[The Horse's Mouth]

We all know fake scousers, it was the same with united 10 year ago we just weren't in the same league, as for the chants it's very much apart of the region. I don't get the outrage over them honestly, bit of banter over a club who make who try and put politics into football. I do think with the amount of towns and villages in the Leicestershire area, fans from them probably loathe their Scouse not English stance and booing nation anthem 

 

Spurs thing has always been banter from what I can tell, some proper weirdos who still get riled up by that random fan on sky sports news but genuinely don't mind them, it's a fun game and we all hate harry Kane

 

Got no idea what you're on about with west ham, one of the few London clubs I actually like 

[Raj]

Liverpool= because every knob at school in the 80's "supported" them in the Dalglish era etc when they were good.

Akin to Man U too as above.

 

Spurs= Probably turned sour after the league cup final with the city woman being clobbered by some Spurs numpty and obviously  the 2 horse race incident  in which they came 3rd!

 

Dont know if theres any real venom towards Arsenal,Wham etc so not sure why you referenced Wham.

 

Forest/Derby etc just because of locality.

 

Edited 31 May 2022 by Raj

[Dames]

21 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm not questioning that it happens I'm just saying they probably hear it from half the teams in the league, particularly as @Bilo says, in the winter. 

Good point about the winter and i’m sure we’ve played either or both of the scouse teams in and around December for years now? Its probably just the consistency from

our lot more than anything thats riled them up. No doubt at all other fans do it either. 

[ceredigion]

It's Northampton Town I can't stand. Delusional, glory-hunting fans supporting a tinpot team who think they have a god-given right to be in the Champions League year in year out because they were once top of the First Division for a week back in the 60s. Forever living in the past and talking about the great days of Frank Large and Roly Mills. The only thing they really care about is selling shirts in the Far East.

 

I bet half of them aren't even from Northamptonshire. All in all, a load of cobblers.

[He aint bald]

4 hours ago, Aus Fox said:

Spurs goes way back before 15/16 - there was always something there, but them hitting women in our end in the league cup final took it to a new level for me. Never liked Spurs, and I don’t think they’ve ever liked us much, but since being at Wembley that day I bloody hate them!

That final had an unpleasant atmosphere that went beyond regular football tensions of the time.

It wernt even the hooligan elements looking for each other.

It were half of their fan base acting as if we were in their home, walking on their grubby carpet in muddy northern shoes.  

The pox and great fires too lenient for them suburban numpties

 

Dont know nowt about toxicity though, must be a new thing

 

 

 

[fuchsntf]

16 minutes ago, Raj said:

Liverpool= because every knob at school in the 80's "supported" them in the Dalglish era etc when they were good.

Akin to Man U too as above.

 

Spurs= Probably turned sour after the league cup final with the city woman being clobbered by some Spurs numpty and obviously  the 2 horse race incident  in which they came 3rd!

 

Dont know if theres any real venom towards Arsenal,Wham etc so not sure why you referenced Wham.

 

Forest/Derby etc just because of locality.

 

Over the last few years, there were some downers, written on here...Then a small surge these few seasons,when Changing ground,then with Moyes pushing

them onto a better plain...

Its not the odd post, Why I thought I would Open this topic...it questioning  those surges & then consistent IMO OTT viral put downs of certain clubs or fans that

have repeated themselves over a few seasons now...

Ist Just how I See it ,& how it comes across...

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

My problem with Liverpool as a Leicester fan is Klopp (Strangely, if I weren't a Leicester fan, I'd love the guy: He has personality.)

 

He was absolutely graceless when we beat them in the title-winning season, and his targeting of Hamza was outrageous. Add in the fact that I feel like we have had a couple of good, surprising wins against his Liverpool - the win after Shakey was put in charge, February 21 and this past December -- and some just soul-crushing, season-redefining losses -- Boxing Day 2019, League Cup QF this year. 

 

I hadn't felt like there was a "thing" with Liverpool before Klopp, but I do now (add in the Rodgers connection, and it just grows.)

 

But the chants are foul, classless, and embarrassing.

[He aint bald]

28 minutes ago, Raj said:

Liverpool= because every knob at school in the 80's "supported" them in the Dalglish era etc when they were good.

 

Some big boy skinheads waving a Liverpool flag accosted me on a Brauny roundabout.  Asked me who I supported, I answered truthfuly.....

'Leicester and Liverpool, LEICESTER first'.  Got a friendly head rub

 

but yeah, I was ten and not so long passed rooting for  Scotland in a world cup , gotta give some leeway here Raj, cus I suspect most posters here have secret knob football pasts

 

[Vardinio'sCat]

People who drop the 'always the victims' line should recognise they are plowing a furrow heavily amplified by the one man s***show that is Boris Johnson.

 

I just think innocent fans, including children, being crushed to death because of the negligence of the authorities, is just not funny.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I shan’t speak about the obvious one

 

 Spurs have never bothered me, though the looks on the home ends’ faces immediately to my right when they first heard the ‘who came third in a two horse race’ chant were totally priceless 

 

Ive never really bothered about West Ham either, but started to dislike them after they attacked Symphony Rooms after the game before the helicopter crash. Oh and the ridiculous Del Boy caps they all wear now

 

 

Edited 31 May 2022 by The Year Of The Fox

[The Year Of The Fox]

5 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

People who drop the 'always the victims' line should recognise they are plowing a furrow heavily amplified by the one man s***show that is Boris Johnson.

 

I just think innocent fans, including children, being crushed to death because of the negligence of the authorities, is just not funny.

Of course, there are many other occasions where they’ve played the victim without any references to Hillsborough 

[Supergray22]

I think this is mostly a personal thing and if you asked that question to most people you may get three different answers. On average they are probably the three who crop up the most. It will change over time of course. I can see forest creeping up the table already!

[MattFox]

Been a fair bit of aggro when West Ham have been at the KP of the past few years

 

Probably only second to Villa

 

Not sure what started it though

[CosbehFox]

5 hours ago, Finnegan said:

I don't think you should take Football Twitter as an accurate depiction of how the average Joe football fan feels. 

 

Good example for me this is Sunderland. 

 

Back around the early to mid 2010s I used to hate Sunderland fans, they were so obnoxious, entitled, seemed to have this obsession with sneering at us and comparing themselves to us because they thought they were this massive club with a massive stadium and we were scruffy little tinpot Leicester. They seemed intimidated by our progress under Pearson and Vichai and always seemed to be comparing our squads and making out our players were all rubbish. 

 

Really came to a head while we were surging up the table in the "Great Escape" and title winning seasons while they were nose diving towards a collapse that would see them end up in League One. 

 

I had them pegged as some of the most arrogant, delusional fans in the country. 

 

Then I went to Sunderland away in April 2016. We were on the finishing straight, really closing in on the title and starting to believe. Not only were their fans superb to us, really friendly, chatty, welcoming before the game but after we beat them two nil and piled on their relegation woes whilst deliriously celebrating another step towards a title that must have inspired envy in some of them, they stood up and applauded. 

 

Didn't just applaud us in the ground, as our coaches pulled out of the Stadium of Light and started heading home they were in the streets, outside pubs, chip shops, bars, all the way out of the city they stood and applauded as the coaches went by. I've never seen anything like it, it was completely nuts. 

 

It's really stuck with me that and it always reminds me of the same thing - Internet trolls do not represent the majority. Football social media is toxic af in general, its full of fragile, easily triggered kids. Look at the Do They Mean Us threads on here. An embarrassment of fans obsessing over what other people think of their football club. It's bonkers. 

 

We don't have any rivalry with West Ham or Liverpool and even the Spurs stuff fades every year in reality. It's just muppets on the Internet. 

I’ve had similar experiences with Sunderland fans. Had Everton fans literally pay for a taxi for us and then buy us a drink. I hate Man U but I know one lad who goes home and away; he’s probably the most wisest opinion on football. I’ve had a Villa fan after we lost to them in Carabao semi praise us to the hilt. I’ve met a Man City who says they have cheated their way to success. 
 

All individuals at the end of the day. Nuance doesn’t exist on social media. 

Edited 31 May 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[Foxdiamond]

3 hours ago, davieG said:

When I started going in the 60s there was no segregation and fans would even applaud a great bit of football from the opposition.

 

I remember standing in the Popular Side (East) and being mixed in with Liverpool fans there was great 'banter' and trying to out sing each other there was genuine rivalry but absolutely no animosity. Even used to go in there with girlfriend

 

But society has changed for many with it becoming less polite, more aggressive and more of an I'm all right jack attitude I think this is reflected in sport where money is king and has such a massive affect on the success of teams so the tribalism has got more intense and angry.

 

Having said that I think it's a minority and as seems to happen especially with the internet minorities can have a massive impact on the way life appears to be headed.

 

I think this is correct.  A bit depressing. There is a unhealthy rabid attitude fed by social media added to the nutter element all clubs have. I know decent fans of all these clubs. As much as football matters to us all we all know it does NOT matter. When a team becomes a direct rival the ante goes up. 

[Plastik Man]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

I think it is due to the signs on the M1 reading The North & Leicester at one point.

This is what I understood it to refer to. 

[Koke]

Liverpool fans keep calling us Tories. I like Liverpool as a city and LFC are not toxic flag saluting nationalist cvnts like Chelsea fans, so I respect them. 

 

Who hates West Ham? They're just competing with us for European places. I got nothing but positive vibes towards West Ham.

 

The Spurs thing has run its course. They're just another club to me, like Brighton is.

[Bert]

5 hours ago, Scotch said:

Ayr, that's the forum I found. Like I said, no one seems to know for sure. 

Yeah it’s all down to the sign on the motorway that says “and Leicester”.