Has the club gone down a dead end? Have we been run poorly?

[Guest itude]

Yes, clearly it is, the deadwood is really really dead, that doesn't help

[Always Next Year]

English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish managers don’t have what it takes to manage a top team in the premiership, look at the so called big 6 and where there managers are from, not a home nations manager in sight.

[4everfox]

7 minutes ago, Always Next Year said:

English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish managers don’t have what it takes to manage a top team in the premiership, look at the so called big 6 and where there managers are from, not a home nations manager in sight.

Alex Ferguson is Scottish, and the greatest manager of all time. British managers are rarely the best in the business though, I'll give you that, but there has certainly been a few. 

[Vazman]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

From the athletic;

 

Leicester do not need to sell. Their issues in what has been a frozen transfer window so far have been around squad capacity. They have too many senior players. They have to make room before they can bring in new signings or risk being left with senior players on good wages being left out of the squad and unable to contribute, a prospect that makes no sense in any business model. Selling an asset doesn’t solve a problem.

That pretty much covers what 5 or 6 different Threads on FT have tried to ask and answer, a genuine question by the way, and concern for some, but answered elegantly by the Athletic, courtesy of Coolhand Fox👍🦊

[leicesterseddon]

We’ve been pushing the limits on wages for years. It was always going to be tough to maintain outside Europe.

 

You could argue that fixing things now rather than plunging headlong towards a Leeds-style crisis is actually a sign of being well run.

 

One thing that can’t be denied is that the recruitment last summer was abysmal.

 

 

[Webbo]

19 minutes ago, Always Next Year said:

English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish managers don’t have what it takes to manage a top team in the premiership, look at the so called big 6 and where there managers are from, not a home nations manager in sight.

You're forgetting all the foreign managers that have come here and died on their arse. 

 

The top clubs can't afford to take a chance on an up and coming manager, they have to buy off the shelf from leading foreign clubs. Nationality doesn't determine managerial competence. 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

From the athletic;

 

Leicester do not need to sell. Their issues in what has been a frozen transfer window so far have been around squad capacity. They have too many senior players. They have to make room before they can bring in new signings or risk being left with senior players on good wages being left out of the squad and unable to contribute, a prospect that makes no sense in any business model. Selling an asset doesn’t solve a problem.

So we don’t have the money to buy the players we want AND pay the dross to kick their heels. It’s a money problem not a numbers problem. 
 

Do people seriously think that if the money was there, we wouldn’t just go and get a sodding winger, even if that meant Hamza Choudhury kicking his heels for a year. Especially when it’s about £3m per position in prize money. 

 

If it was a numbers problem you could loan them out for a pittance and take the hit on wages. So again, it’s a money problem. 
 

So yes, selling assets could solve it, after all every player is an asset and that’s what we actively want to do. 

[Foxxed]

We banked on cash from Champions League football.

 

We’re now painfully transitioning to a more realistic wage bill.

 

We can sensibly rebuild using the academy in the long term.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

So we don’t have the money to buy the players we want AND pay the dross to kick their heels. It’s a money problem not a numbers problem. 
 

Do people seriously think that if the money was there, we wouldn’t just go and get a sodding winger, even if that meant Hamza Choudhury kicking his heels for a year. Especially when it’s about £3m per position in prize money. 

 

If it was a numbers problem you could loan them out for a pittance and take the hit on wages. So again, it’s a money problem. 
 

So yes, selling assets could solve it, after all every player is an asset and that’s what we actively want to do. 

You don't have to be skint to not want to waste money. 

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

You don't have to be skint to not want to waste money. 

Is it a waste to leave your squad short of players in a particular areas. As I said, with the prize money it’s cutting your nose off to spite your face. 
 

It’s quite clear it’s a money issue, wages, agents fees and player costs need slashing massively for the UEFA if we ever want to be allowed to compete in it. 

[smudgerfox]

I think if you go back over the past five years or so - we have nearly always been short of quality and numbers at centre back and we haven’t recruited to the position well at all (Fofana and Evens apart of course). I think Wes Morgan’s last season was a high risk - he never looked capable of playing ten games on the bounce. The arrival of Ryan Bennett suggested we’d abandoned our careful scouting and recruitment in favour of sticking a pin blindfold on a wall chart. I refuse to believe anyone watched him play and thought he’s the man for us. If they did they really should have been sacked. Benkovic proved to be a waste of money too and Amartey was only ever a last ditch, versatile option who’s now become our third choice, Ideally you’d want an under 21 option which wouldn’t eat up a squad place , but our strategy seems to be to loan out young players until they’re 22/23 which means they have to earn a full senior place when they’re deemed ready. The loss of little Wes without us acquiring a reasonable quality replacement would leave us with a relegation defence. 

 

 

[Jattdogg]

Tell you what we need. Where's the Open Letter thread? Shocked we havent decided to write the ownership on this!

[Webbo]

12 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Is it a waste to leave your squad short of players in a particular areas. As I said, with the prize money it’s cutting your nose off to spite your face. 
 

It’s quite clear it’s a money issue, wages, agents fees and player costs need slashing massively for the UEFA if we ever want to be allowed to compete in it. 

So it's for FFP, doesn't mean we don't have the money, we're just not allowed to spend it. 

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

So it's for FFP, doesn't mean we don't have the money, we're just not allowed to spend it. 

Riiiiiight.

[Webbo]

Just now, Babylon said:

Riiiiiight.

Is it financial fair play or not? Do you know whether King Power are out of money or are unprepared to invest anymore? 

 

You're guessing just the same as the other conspiracy nuts. You know no more than anyone else. 

[CosbehFox]

It’s still salvageable if they admit the problem now. 
 

On and off the pitch. There’s been an ambition to progress ‘larger’ but in the process they’ve forgotten a bit of what was left behind 

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, cruzFOX said:

It all feels like the club is constipated!

there I said it ! 🥴

That’s just full of shit!

[Scotch]

Regardless of wether or not you think it's a numbers problem, a wages problem or a FFP problem... It gets sorted next year. 9 players (IIRC) out of contract. Many of them surplus to requirement and on huge wages. It will reset all those issues. 

 

I think we just need to accept that this year will be a transition year and we might need to be happy with lower mid table. 

[Vardinio'sCat]

No, I think covid has been the biggest factor in mucking up our model.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

4 hours ago, goose2010 said:

i wonder if all these threads would have started if we had won on Sunday....

We didn't though. And why? 🤔

[phoneticerror]

[Samilktray]

You only have to look at that new third kit to gauge how this football club is being run 

[goose2010]

14 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

We didn't though. And why? 🤔

Because Brentford scored 2 the same as us. 

[Vestan Pance]

49 minutes ago, Scotch said:

Regardless of wether or not you think it's a numbers problem, a wages problem or a FFP problem... It gets sorted next year. 9 players (IIRC) out of contract. Many of them surplus to requirement and on huge wages. It will reset all those issues. 

 

I think we just need to accept that this year will be a transition year and we might need to be happy with lower mid table. 

It may reset the wage issue but we will still have to purchase players to replace those that will leave for free. I wouldn't like to guess how much 9 players capable of playing in the Premier League will cost, but F#rest may have an idea, and of course that expenditure will also fall under the FFP microscope.

Edited 9 August 2022 by Vestan Pance

[Chrysalis]

Agree with Babylon, we know what the new wages rules are, its been explained on here what that limit includes, we know we close to that limit and upcoming years the limit will be lower, no speculation needed there, these are all facts.

 

In regards to the Athletic, what is their source?  Because I agree with Babylon again, if money was no object, then you do what Man City do and work your way round the problem by spending money.  The only way this makes sense is there is some kind of budget limitation whether it be for regulation reasons or lack of willingness/ability to spend.