What is a REASONABLE fee for us to demand for Fofana?

[Dahnsouff]

Chelsea will not want to be seen to pay a world record fee, after the damage it did to Maguire, both ability and mentally. It would make sense for Chelsea and Fofana should the bill be below 80m. If we can make that work for us (p/ex, etc) remains to be seen.

 

Anyway, feels like are just doing pretty apparent tapping up and it’s pretty disgusting.

[HybridFox]

He can and should be a £100m player.

 

But a world record fee plus realistic add-ons should start the negotiations. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

• Everyone can see he's going to be a world class defender
• We paid £30m to £35m
• St Etienne have a sell on fee
• Vestergaard and Amartey aren't good enough. Soyuncu is out of favour. Evans isn't reliably available for 30+ games. We already needed an additional CB this window anyway and we're not getting that. 
• The window closes in a week. We have hardly any time to find a replacement and may well have to overpay for one
• We don't want to sell. We don't need to sell. Fofana signed a 5 year contract in March
• Even if Chelsea sign him on a 4-5 year deal they can sell him to Real Madrid or Barcelona at his peak and get all their money back

All of that taken together and we'd be mad to accept anything less than £80m upfront cash and should be looking for a total package closer to £100m

[AS78UK]

I think if we can get 70m plus 20% sell on we are laughing.   Can see him being sold in the future by Chelsea for well north of 100m.  So a minimum fee for us off £77.5m once you factor the sell on.  

 

Imagine the current offer is more £65m rising based on Chelsea winning the premier league and Champions League etc. 

[John rayner]

9 hours ago, Scotch said:

Didn't Percy say that the last offer was £60m with a further £10m in (unrealistic) add ons? I think that's more of the issue. 

 

I would accept £70m straight fee. Another £5m in add ons and a player or two on loan with them doing the heavy lifting on wages. 

Agreed

[John rayner]

13 hours ago, StanSP said:

£90m.

IMO I would take 70 mill plus 2 players ,

[leicesterseddon]

2 hours ago, teblin said:

I think we’ll accept something where we get £70 million upfront and then potential to be £80 million with add ons and a sell on fee.

 

Hanging on for the extra £10 million now and letting someone potentially toxic stay at the club could have a lot bigger that a £10million effect on the club.

 

We need a centre back to be switched on and playing in our team, fofana isn’t going to be that now I don’t think, selling him will allow us to buy.

  
I see your point. My main opposition to selling now is that there isn’t enough time left to suitably replace him.

 

If Chelsea really wanted him, they’d have been bidding £70m+ early in the window and started a realistic conversation at that point. 

 

Had that happened I think we would have come to an agreement around £80m and both sides would have moved on. 
 

As it’s happened though, they are trying to lowball us and going about it in a terrible fashion.

 

[John rayner]

8 hours ago, Lichfieldfox. said:

Chelsea need to meet our valuation. Given the club have repeatedly said he's not for sale the offer has to be silly money for us to consider. Chelsea have offered Everton 60m for Anthony Gordon, now that's silly money for a player who cost them nothing and who has only played 52 games I the premier league, never played international or European football a dwould probably sit on the bench at best. 

If we don't  sell Fofona ,before the end of the transfer window ,will BR put him back in the squad ,or will WF doesn't want to play for us ,be kept in the under 21 team  ,the  situation is a mess ,it needs to be sorted ASAP ,

[LFEFox23]

Realistically the kids worth approx 40-50m...BUT he recently signed a new 5yr deal and we want to keep him.

 

So id be asking for 80m pounds with at least 70m paid upfront and 10m installments over the next 12 months, Also id be adding a 15-20% Sell on clause.

 

Only other option is player exchange if they cant afford it , Probs only two players that would come and id be interested in - 

 

Gallagher or CHO

 

But player exchanges are rare and very complicated.

 

 

[Foxdiamond]

2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Chelsea will not want to be seen to pay a world record fee, after the damage it did to Maguire, both ability and mentally. It would make sense for Chelsea and Fofana should the bill be below 80m. If we can make that work for us (p/ex, etc) remains to be seen.

 

Anyway, feels like are just doing pretty apparent tapping up and it’s pretty disgusting.

Hark back to when Spurs bought Jimmy Greaves for a quid less than 100,000 so not to break that barrier. So one pound below 80m

[Guest Col city fan]

I said possibly a week ago that 70m would be a realistic figure. And I think Chelsea will stop at 70m.

We all really rate Fofana, but he’s still raw and coming off the back of that horrendous leg injury.

Some of the figures banded about are fantasy. He wants out, Chelsea want him, we desperately need the money to strengthen.

The club needs to stop pissing about before it’s too late, sell him and do some decent bloody recruiting to get a replacement in.

OR, as I also said, tell him to stop fookin about, that he’s not going anywhere and to get his head down and play. 
Having him sulking in the reserves is no good for anyone and shows we are poor at man management.

Our club seems to be being run by fookin muppets at the moment. It’s all cloak and dagger, there’s no transparency and whilst our rivals are actively recruiting to try to stay in the division, we look to be doing nothing!

[Sunbury Fox]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

There is a point to consider here that's being overlooked a little bit and that's balancing the message we send with this transfer. 

 

Everyone is caught up saying fvck Chelsea and fvck Fofana, being aggressive and butt-hurt about it. Whilst it's important we aren't bullied and we show clubs with more money than us that we're still strong negotiators, it's also important we're reasonable. 

 

Players like Fofana come here hoping that we're a stepping stone, expecting that we'll let them go when the time is right. If we throw him in the reserves forever and deny reasonable bids for him then it hurts our image as a club that's willing to allow that. If that happens, expect way more Vestergaards and Bertrands in the future and far less Maguires, Fofanas and Kantes. 

 

Some pretty reliable sources have made it clear we've concluded 85 is reasonable. It seems fair and we should hold out for that but going back and demanding more if Chelsea match it now out of some sort of pride won't really help. Nor will letting him rot forever in the reserves however satisfying that might be. 

 

This is a good point but in this case Fofana signed a 5 year contract only months ago on the basis that we would be prepared to allow him to leave in summer 2023, if rumours are true. So the fact that he is now kicking off about not being allowed to move this summer surely reflects more badly on him than the club. If he really wanted to escape this summer he shouldn't have signed the massive new contract in the spring. If he hadn't, then he would be in a much stronger position to force a move now. 

[Finnegan]

Just now, Sunbury Fox said:

This is a good point but in this case Fofana signed a 5 year contract only months ago on the basis that we would be prepared to allow him to leave in summer 2023, if rumours are true. So the fact that he is now kicking off about not being allowed to move this summer surely reflects more badly on him than the club. If he really wanted to escape this summer he shouldn't have signed the massive new contract in the spring. If he hadn't, then he would be in a much stronger position to force a move now. 

 

Like I said, balance. I'm not suggesting we bend over for Chelsea but some of the more hard line stances being called for in here are just counter productive. 

[Hales]

At this stage of the window - no sale. I don't care the fee. We cannot find someone to replace him. He will have to get over himself and stop sulking like a petulant child. 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Hales said:

At this stage of the window - no sale. I don't care the fee. We cannot find someone to replace him. He will have to get over himself and stop sulking like a petulant child. 

Not convinced hubris and football transfers mix to be honest. I mean Chelsea have struck the critical blow (IT SEEMS) and turned his head (or at least his agents) and if he now has a total paddy and misbehaves further - what do we do?

1. Putting him in the u21s is ridiculous, it hurts the club far more than anyone else
2. His value is decreasing during such shenanigans
3. Any fines imposed would just lead to more misbehaviour

Due to the dynamic in player vs club power, the 5 year contract is worth little more than a stronger bargaining position, one we should now be using to maximise his fee 

[Clarkey123]

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[Bluearmyfox28]

£75m in cash and £10m in add ons I feel will be the price tag. Makes him the most expensive defender in the world (club sends a statement to future bidding clubs) & Wes gets his dream move.

 

would be higher if Wes hadn’t dealt with it the way he has which truthfully does bring the value down slightly due to the effect it could have on the squad having him around.

[mozartfox]

Boehly is hapless and clearly out of his depth.  If Marina was still there, she would have promised Rudders an happy ending and the deal would have been done for 50m weeks ago.

[sacreblueits442]

On 23/08/2022 at 20:00, An Sionnach said:

I am pretty sure some on here wanted him sold. The usual suspects who wanted money to spend on this mythical right wing saviour probably. However if he does go , we should spend every penny on our disfunctional defense.

....this mythical RW is so badly needed, at least, just bring in Sofiane Diop to play in the half-space on the right, to balance up the team!!!

Just watched Isak on YouTube, absolutely electric, scores different types of goals, and loves to shoot across the keeper, such a contrast to Daka and the impact he has on games. Our circumstances have taken away an opportunity to actually replace Vardy long-term, Daka does not create the space for himself or spins a defender to get in behind. Not sure what Newcastle has paid to secure him, but we really could have had a long-term threat upfront, that would have rivaled Vardy's output.

[sylofox]

On 23/08/2022 at 18:50, urban.spaceman said:

Chelsea's recent bid of £70m was knocked back immediately.

 

Are we being unreasonable? Greedy?

 

My thoughts are thus.

 

We view him as a genuine generational talent. I.E the potential to be genuine world class.

 

Only 2 players have cost more than £70m - VVD and Maguire, who both got their big moves at 27 and 26 respectively.

 

At Fofana's age VVD was still playing for Groningen and Maguire was in League One with Sheffield United.

 

At 21 Fofana is an FA Cup winner and has played in a European Semi Final.

 

We paid £35m for him 2 years ago and St Ettienne have a 15% sell on fee.

And he signed a 5 year contract in MARCH.

 

Personally I think anything less than £90m is insulting.

We've not refused a 70m bid yet.

 

It was at best 60m with incentives that may never happen.

[An Sionnach]

7 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....this mythical RW is so badly needed, at least, just bring in Sofiane Diop to play in the half-space on the right, to balance up the team!!!

Just watched Isak on YouTube, absolutely electric, scores different types of goals, and loves to shoot across the keeper, such a contrast to Daka and the impact he has on games. Our circumstances have taken away an opportunity to actually replace Vardy long-term, Daka does not create the space for himself or spins a defender to get in behind. Not sure what Newcastle has paid to secure him, but we really could have had a long-term threat upfront, that would have rivaled Vardy's output.

I have always acknowledged Riyad Mahrez"s ability even though I am no fan of his personality. However the damage he has done to some of our fans thinking seems endless. This left footed right winger thing goes on and on. Some are obsessed with playing two wingers , when our strikers are not suited to playing on their own. Vardy's days are nearly over and the hope that Daka could replace him playing a similar way are fading. The other main factor is wide men who cannot defend , Barnes can't and another wide man who doesn't would be a bad move. We need power up front ,especially at set pieces but centrally not wide.

[Sean2000]

On 23/08/2022 at 18:50, urban.spaceman said:

Chelsea's recent bid of £70m was knocked back immediately.

 

Are we being unreasonable? Greedy?

 

My thoughts are thus.

 

We view him as a genuine generational talent. I.E the potential to be genuine world class.

 

Only 2 players have cost more than £70m - VVD and Maguire, who both got their big moves at 27 and 26 respectively.

 

At Fofana's age VVD was still playing for Groningen and Maguire was in League One with Sheffield United.

 

At 21 Fofana is an FA Cup winner and has played in a European Semi Final.

 

We paid £35m for him 2 years ago and St Ettienne have a 15% sell on fee.

And he signed a 5 year contract in MARCH.

 

Personally I think anything less than £90m is insulting.

Let's not forget they haven't even bid £70m. The last bid was £60m + £10m in add ons which, it's reported, are 'highly conditional' - basically not likely to be achieved.

 

When you think of it like that....

[sacreblueits442]

4 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

I have always acknowledged Riyad Mahrez"s ability even though I am no fan of his personality. However the damage he has done to some of our fans thinking seems endless. This left footed right winger thing goes on and on. Some are obsessed with playing two wingers , when our strikers are not suited to playing on their own. Vardy's days are nearly over and the hope that Daka could replace him playing a similar way are fading. The other main factor is wide men who cannot defend , Barnes can't and another wide man who doesn't would be a bad move. We need power up front ,especially at set pieces but centrally not wide.

...looking at how Rodgers  started out with us, we defended from the front!!!

  If we look to press the opposition  we take away the threat to our backline, and it also helps playing mobile centre half's if you intend to play a high line, high press type of game.

  As soon as Barnes is injured every thing that has been worked on, planned and other training areas are set aside because one player becomes injured.

  The team is not balanced, that is down to the manager and how he sees things, we are not spoilt by the Mahrez effect, we have had wingers through the ages like Len Glover, who was the one player that I wanted to see. Guppy has been a revelation with his wing play, " Sharkey" in another sense has been  a stalwart playing out of position linking up with Vardy, this club has been built with wing play, Mahrez was not the first.

 If we had a player like Tete on the right, he would be supporting and supplying our striker. The fact that our forwards cannot play upfront as a lone striker,  is down to recruitment and joined up thinking,  we can't build a team to compensate for scouting mistakes.

[Grebfromgrebland]

9 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....this mythical RW is so badly needed, at least, just bring in Sofiane Diop to play in the half-space on the right, to balance up the team!!!

Just watched Isak on YouTube, absolutely electric, scores different types of goals, and loves to shoot across the keeper, such a contrast to Daka and the impact he has on games. Our circumstances have taken away an opportunity to actually replace Vardy long-term, Daka does not create the space for himself or spins a defender to get in behind. Not sure what Newcastle has paid to secure him, but we really could have had a long-term threat upfront, that would have rivaled Vardy's output.

Isak was around £60m. He better be good. Daka was around £20m. You get what you pay for usually.