MPH Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 11 minutes ago, Lichfieldfox. said: Chelsea need to meet our valuation. Given the club have repeatedly said he's not for sale the offer has to be silly money for us to consider. Chelsea have offered Everton 60m for Anthony Gordon, now that's silly money for a player who cost them nothing and who has only played 52 games I the premier league, never played international or European football a dwould probably sit on the bench at best. I don’t mean to be a boblet but Fofana has only played about 40 premier league games for us, I think.. 1
halfpipe Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 14 minutes ago, Lichfieldfox. said: Chelsea need to meet our valuation. Given the club have repeatedly said he's not for sale the offer has to be silly money for us to consider. Chelsea have offered Everton 60m for Anthony Gordon, now that's silly money for a player who cost them nothing and who has only played 52 games I the premier league, never played international or European football a dwould probably sit on the bench at best. Fofana has less Premier League games, less youth international games, same amount of full internationals (zero!). And English players usually command a higher fee. I’m not disagreeing that Fofana is worth more than Gordon. but I question your reasoning. 1
Lichfieldfox. Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 11 minutes ago, MPH said: I don’t mean to be a boblet but Fofana has only played about 40 premier league games for us, I think.. I get that. The real issue is return on investment. Sell for 85m, gross 50m minus 7,5m to St Etienne leaves us just over 40m to buy a suitable replacement in next 10 days for a player who signed a 5 year deal 5 months ago after we rehabilitated him following a serious compound leg fracture. Everton offered a return of 60m for arguably currently an inferior player. Their fans want to keep him obviously as talented but they can buy a couple of decent players in positions they need ( centre forward). We are being stitched up by clubs with wealthy owners turning players heads trying to take our best players due our FFP position (self inflicted by a poor 2021 summer window). If the interest had come earlier in the window and price acceptable at least we would have time to get suitable replacements in. Feels like another Mahrez situation.
ACF Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lichfieldfox. said: I get that. The real issue is return on investment. Sell for 85m, gross 50m minus 7,5m to St Etienne leaves us just over 40m to buy a suitable replacement in next 10 days for a player who signed a 5 year deal 5 months ago after we rehabilitated him following a serious compound leg fracture. Everton offered a return of 60m for arguably currently an inferior player. Their fans want to keep him obviously as talented but they can buy a couple of decent players in positions they need ( centre forward). We are being stitched up by clubs with wealthy owners turning players heads trying to take our best players due our FFP position (self inflicted by a poor 2021 summer window). If the interest had come earlier in the window and price acceptable at least we would have time to get suitable replacements in. Feels like another Mahrez situation. It doesn’t leave us with 42.5m to invest. It leaves us with 78.5m. We’ve been lead to believe the problem with signing players at the moment isn’t money, it’s the number of players and their associated wages. Unless the club are going to starting pulling money out, or use it to balance books in other areas, all of the money is then available to reinvest into players, the 30m is sunk cost. Now, the club might decide the recruitment team can invest 80% of the fee received, but it’s not 80% of the profit. Edited 24 August 2022 by ACF
Sly Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 The Maguire transfer is a freak. When you consider “football inflation calculator”, that is online somewhere, Rio Ferdinand is worth something like £140m in todays money.
JimmyC74 Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 11 hours ago, coolhandfox said: If its straight cash 85m. This is the thing - is it a straight cash deal or cash plus player. We should entertain stage payments, if they want him pay-up and / or offer a player we would actually want.
taupe Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 Whatever the clubs agree. Reasonable is something decided between the negotiating parties. 1
Thebluefox85 Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 I wouldn’t accept anything and leave him in the reserves for the full 5years and destroy him! Souness made a good point on Monday on talkshite saying players holding clubs to ransom and refusing to play has to stop they have far too much power! No other sport profession can you just down tools because you want to move! Signed a contract literally 3months ago! Get your head down train and play if the club receive an offer that’s acceptable then You can move until that point be a professional! If you can’t then you should be fined and taken down disciplinary charges! Football really does stink sometimes! 1
Claudio Fannieri Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 £85m package with majority of cash up front, a good player on loan and a decent sell on %
Popular Post teblin Posted 24 August 2022 Popular Post Posted 24 August 2022 (edited) I think we’ll accept something where we get £70 million upfront and then potential to be £80 million with add ons and a sell on fee. Hanging on for the extra £10 million now and letting someone potentially toxic stay at the club could have a lot bigger that a £10million effect on the club. We need a centre back to be switched on and playing in our team, fofana isn’t going to be that now I don’t think, selling him will allow us to buy. Edited 24 August 2022 by teblin 5
Captain... Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 It's not about how much we're willing to accept, it's about how much are we willing to play hard ball and potentially ruin our season by letting this drag on for another week fostering uncertainty and discontent. Are we doing a Daniel Levy? Everyone knows he's a tough negotiator and we are getting that reputation with Mahrez and Maguire and now Fofana, our players may be for sale, but at our price. It's just whether all of this is worth the uncertainty and the negative impact on rebuilding and results on the pitch. 1
Dahnsouff Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 Maybe we won’t blink and an 85m offer arrives, but it’s a hell of a risk. The last offer from Chelsea was shocking, as they all have been, but if an offer arrived for 75m and was favourably structured without preposterous add ons, he should be sold
StriderHiryu Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 12 hours ago, lcfcbluearmy said: I voted 90m because of the time in the window if it had happened at the start 75-80 would have probably been fair I went for 80, but this is a really relevant point. Selling him now eve if he get a big fee doesn't help us. We have a worse squad with no time to find a replacement and every team in the world knowing we are sitting on a mountain of cash.
Sunbury Fox Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 5 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: I went for 80, but this is a really relevant point. Selling him now eve if he get a big fee doesn't help us. We have a worse squad with no time to find a replacement and every team in the world knowing we are sitting on a mountain of cash. We have to rinse Chelsea for every possible penny of their dirty money. Aside from the lack of time left in the window making it hard for us to get in a replacement, we hold all the aces here: The rat signed a 5 year contract only months ago. Chelsea are utterly desperate for a CB, it seems. And won't want to be seen to be rebuffed by little old Leicester. Time is now firmly against Chelsea as well. I can't see Fofana refusing to play if he is still here after the window closes as that will kill any chance he has of making the France WC squad. 1
StriderHiryu Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 1 minute ago, Sunbury Fox said: We have to rinse Chelsea for every possible penny of their dirty money. Aside from the lack of time left in the window making it hard for us to get in a replacement, we hold all the aces here: The rat signed a 5 year contract only months ago. Chelsea are utterly desperate for a CB, it seems. And won't want to be seen to be rebuffed by little old Leicester. Time is now firmly against Chelsea as well. I can't see Fofana refusing to play if he is still here after the window closes as that will kill any chance he has of making the France WC squad. I agree with you whole heartedly. Despite the many problems the club has, I trust their judgement on this as they have a proven track record. Even if it means we lose a lot on Fofana because he puts up a sulk and doesn't play for the rest of the season, from a business standpoint, we can't be seen as pushovers, and need to set a message to the rest of the players.
Finnegan Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 (edited) There is a point to consider here that's being overlooked a little bit and that's balancing the message we send with this transfer. Everyone is caught up saying fvck Chelsea and fvck Fofana, being aggressive and butt-hurt about it. Whilst it's important we aren't bullied and we show clubs with more money than us that we're still strong negotiators, it's also important we're reasonable. Players like Fofana come here hoping that we're a stepping stone, expecting that we'll let them go when the time is right. If we throw him in the reserves forever and deny reasonable bids for him then it hurts our image as a club that's willing to allow that. If that happens, expect way more Vestergaards and Bertrands in the future and far less Maguires, Fofanas and Kantes. Some pretty reliable sources have made it clear we've concluded 85 is reasonable. It seems fair and we should hold out for that but going back and demanding more if Chelsea match it now out of some sort of pride won't really help. Nor will letting him rot forever in the reserves however satisfying that might be. Edited 24 August 2022 by Finnegan 2
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 £80 million in used notes in Tesco carrier bags at Leicester Forest East services. Kante can bring it in his mini and take the sulking twat once Rudkin has counted the readies and ensured there are no roubles amongst it.
jonthefox Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 In a way you have to admire top in this. All the commotion going on with this and yet he's refusing to budge on the fee. Shades of his old man i reckon.
Bordersfox Posted 24 August 2022 Posted 24 August 2022 6 minutes ago, Finnegan said: There is a point to consider here that's being overlooked a little bit and that's balancing the message we send with this transfer. Everyone is caught up saying fvck Chelsea and fvck Fofana, being aggressive and but hurt about it. Whilst it's important we aren't bullied and we show clubs with more money than us that we're still strong negotiators, it's also important we're reasonable. Players like Fofana come here hoping that we're a stepping stone, expecting that we'll let them go when the time is right. If we throw him in the reserves forever and deny reasonable bids for him then it hurts our image as a club that's willing to allow that. If that happens, expect way more Vestergaards and Bertrands in the future and far less Maguires, Fofanas and Kantes. Some pretty reliable sources have made it clear we've concluded 85 is reasonable. It seems fair and we should hold out for that but going back and demanding more if Chelsea match it now out of some sort of pride won't really help. Nor will letting him rot forever in the reserves however satisfying that might be. Agree on £85m being fair but I don't think in this situation the optics are bad for the club if we keep him for one more season if we.conclude it's too late to get a decent replacement in. Given his injury, new contract signed very recently and some talk of an agreement to listen to reasonable offers next summer it's Fofana who is coming across as a bit of a dick here. Any player that thought twice about coming to us because we ask for one more season out of Fofana under the circumstances is not really a player with an attitude I'd want at the club. We are a selling club, we do have a track record of selling our best players and I don't think one player acting silly buggers shortly after signing a new contract is going to put other good, young players off. I actually think it's more important reputationally to make sure we don't sell for less than around £85m. Thanks for the sh1thousery Chelsea but as much as you try and unsettle our players the price is what we've quoted. No way we don't play him if he stays surely, that's just people fantasising on a forum isn't it?
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