Managers who go stale after the first two seasons

[SkidsFox]

Is this a thing? Thinking of managers like Mourinho and Rodgers...

If it is a thing, how do we avoid appointing someone in this category, or is it inevitable in today's game?

[KingsX]

There's no set number of seasons, it varies from gaffer to gaffer, but it's more or less inevitable these days.

 

The thing we need to avoid is five-year contracts for managers, especially ones that already have some time here under their belt.

[Fox92]

Just now, KingsX said:

There's no set number of seasons, it varies from gaffer to gaffer, but it's more or less inevitable these days.

 

The thing we need to avoid is five-year contracts for managers, especially ones that already have some time here under their belt.

Exactly. I said at the time it was a stupid decision to give him a 5 year deal based on half a season performance.

[Fox92]

10 minutes ago, SkidsFox said:

Is this a thing? Thinking of managers like Mourinho and Rodgers...

If it is a thing, how do we avoid appointing someone in this category, or is it inevitable in today's game?

 

There isn't enough time anymore. Managers might have got relegated but be given time to get the team back up again and aside from Burnley and Norwich in recent years it generally doesn't happen.

 

Also even fans don't give enough time. People calling for Potter make me laugh. His first two seasons at Brighton, rebuilding Brighton, including finishing 15th and 16th. Our fans wouldn't stand for that, they'd want him out. He's done very well to get Brighton where they are today but I don't think managers are given enough time to build generally. Maybe because there's to much money now. I don't know. But I think the days of 20+ years at one club ie Clough/Wenger/Ferguson are long gone.

 

Anyway, I'd add Tuchel to your list. He'll be gone soon.

Edited 5 September 2022 by Fox92

[whoareyaaa]

Warburton

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

Warburton

Yea and Hovis.

 

I posted about this in another thread. Look at his record - it goes south after year 2 for Rodgers when he transitions and builds his own team. It’s happened at Liverpool, Celtic to some extent and now here.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Every manager has a shelf life.  Some can be years, some less than a couple of seasons but unless you are Man Utd where Fergie could keep buying to rejuvenate the squad, players can only hear the same voice saying the same things for so long before they stop listening.  Once that happens, you are ****ed as a manager.

 

It is also why a lot of managers have new manager bounce as it brings something different to a player and revitalises them, whether a positional change, formation, whatever.

[KingsX]

57 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

There isn't enough time anymore. Managers might have got relegated but be given time to get the team back up again and aside from Burnley and Norwich in recent years it generally doesn't happen.

 

Also even fans don't give enough time. People calling for Potter make me laugh. His first two seasons at Brighton, rebuilding Brighton, including finishing 15th and 16th. Our fans wouldn't stand for that, they'd want him out. He's done very well to get Brighton where they are today but I don't think managers are given enough time to build generally. Maybe because there's to much money now.

 

This is why many of us figure Pearson is happy at Bristol City.  A club with just enough resources to allow him to mold and develop his squad at that level.  Good training center, and it's not prohibitive to bring up enough players from L1 or L2 to refresh your squad.  Owners willing to give the right manager time and space.

 

Outside of the Rich Six, PL clubs simply can't keep acquiring talent to make up for their mistakes.  Mistakes which are inevitable not only in recruitment, but in retaining only those (costly) veterans who still have fire in their bellies and miles left in their legs.

 

As @Ric Flair has said many times, our best hope is with the academy.  We should be going all-out recruiting the most promising British teenagers and 18-year-olds from elsewhere.  Isn't that a big reason why we built Seagrave?

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Exactly. I said at the time it was a stupid decision to give him a 5 year deal based on half a season performance.

No manager should get a 5-year deal.

 

At most, it should be a 2+1 in favour of the club.

[Nalis]

Pretty much every Chelsea manager since 2003

[Dan]

Tuchel.

[MalletFox]

It would be interesting to know what the average life cycle of a Premier League manager is.

 

I’ve always thought 3 years is about the average, but obviously there’s a whole heap of variables that would feed into it. And tbf, I have a tiny bit of acceptance of Brendan’s position as he needed a load of new players who weren’t sick to the back teeth of his methods!!

[Area88]

Peter Taylor with Leicester. Micky Adams with Leicester.

 

[volpeazzurro]

8 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

Warburton

? Why would you put a baker in charge of a football club?

 

Oh, cuz Rodgers doesn't use his loaf. No new signings, got a cob on! Clearly just after the dough now!

[HybridFox]

Ole

[Arriba Los Zorros]

Conte

[HybridFox]

Rafa these days too

[jim5000]

9 hours ago, KingsX said:

There's no set number of seasons, it varies from gaffer to gaffer, but it's more or less inevitable these days.

 

The thing we need to avoid is five-year contracts for managers, especially ones that already have some time here under their belt.

By the same measure, we need to accept that letting a successful manager go after two seasons might not be so bad. The only reason Rodgers is on his massive contract is because Spurs were sniffing about 18 months ago.

[CosbehFox]

Three years always the max for most. All goes back to Bela Guttman’s famous ‘the third year is fatal’ 

[damolcfc]

3 year contract is enough... don't be fooled into a bumper new contract again Top ffs.

Only man u and arsenal have really had long term management... but they were winning trophies! 

 

[NewEnglandFox]

It's part of the game. Only 20 of the 92 league managers have hit the 2 year mark. 14 hit the 3 year mark. When you need a refresh the easiest 1 guy to fire is the manager and you can do it at any time.

 

It's nothing personal. Brendan's been sacked before. And our next guy will likely have just been sacked in the last year.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_Premier_League_and_English_Football_League_managers

[Fox seen in Norwich]

Is Pardew still getting paid by Newcastle? He was given a 7 (SEVEN) yr contract by mr sports direct 😂

[Superjack]

Steve Cotterill was with us for two years and one month.

 

In his only full season he won us a league title and the tin pot cup.

 

To be fair, in the end I think he went mental rather than stale. 😂

[Sampson]

There was an episode of the Peter Crouch podcast with Patrick Bamford where he was talking about playing under Bielsa and said when you start, players end up throwing up from all the running because you’re afforded no rest. They players nickname it “murder ball”.

 

That’a what you have to do to compete these days in this high pressing game.

 

It’s no surprise in the modern game that players can only last a couple of years before they mentally and physically break down and are either always injured or just look bereft of fitness and confidence

Edited 6 September 2022 by Sampson

[foxinsocks]

10 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

? Why would you put a baker in charge of a football club?

 

Oh, cuz Rodgers doesn't use his loaf. No new signings, got a cob on! Clearly just after the dough now!

Hes a bit crusty.  But he like the dough.  Soon he will be toast.