Animal Rebellion

[Parafox]

Animal rights activists have poured out milk in two high-end London department stores in a protest against the use of dairy products.

Two activists from Animal Rebellion targeted Fortnum & Mason and Selfridges on Friday.

Animal Rebellion said that the man and woman involved were Steve Bone, a photographer from Thorpe-Le-Soken, Essex and Sofia Fernandes Pontes, a student from Madeira, Portugal.

[jonthefox]

I semi skimmed over this article this morning. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll get my coat.

[st albans fox]

31 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Animal rights activists have poured out milk in two high-end London department stores in a protest against the use of dairy products.

Two activists from Animal Rebellion targeted Fortnum & Mason and Selfridges on Friday.

Animal Rebellion said that the man and woman involved were Steve Bone, a photographer from Thorpe-Le-Soken, Essex and Sofia Fernandes Pontes, a student from Madeira, Portugal.

how much damage did they do? 
 

i mean how cruel is the dairy industry ??? On a scale of what goes on in wider food production, how bad is dairy ??

[Izzy]

Really expected the final sentence to be the punchline to a joke tbh 

[Parafox]

18 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

how much damage did they do? 
 

i mean how cruel is the dairy industry ??? On a scale of what goes on in wider food production, how bad is dairy ??

They milk cows twice a day. As they have for years and years, centuries even.

 

Thing is, imagine having your nipples sucked by a powerful machine twice a day. 

[Captain...]

20 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

how much damage did they do? 
 

i mean how cruel is the dairy industry ??? On a scale of what goes on in wider food production, how bad is dairy ??

Pretty bad when you consider what they have to do to get a constant milk supply. Without going into too much detail cows are mammals, like humans, think about what it would take to get a human to produce 60 litres of milk a day every day.

[FoxesDeb]

30 minutes ago, Parafox said:

They milk cows twice a day. As they have for years and years, centuries even.

 

Thing is, imagine having your nipples sucked by a powerful machine twice a day. 

Where is this happening? Asking for a friend 

[Jattdogg]

40 minutes ago, Parafox said:

They milk cows twice a day. As they have for years and years, centuries even.

 

Thing is, imagine having your nipples sucked by a powerful machine twice a day. 

Does this work on male genitalia? Asking for a colleague who works at sperm banks.

Edited 7 October 2022 by Jattdogg

[Wymsey]

Am sure such protesters have never met a dairy farmer before.

 

If they think cows are being abused when pulling out milk out of them, they're wrong - as, if the cows were unhappy, they wouldn't produce much milk at all (even if done via pulling machines); they'd reject getting any out.

 

They're well-cared for, generally speaking.

Edited 7 October 2022 by Wymsey

[Bryn]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

how much damage did they do? 
 

i mean how cruel is the dairy industry ??? On a scale of what goes on in wider food production, how bad is dairy ??

 

Pretty egregious. Mainly to do with forcing the cows to produce calves, which are then taken from them, so they continually produce milk. The calves are then either used as dairy cows or sent for slaughter.

[Daggers]

31 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Am sure such protesters have never met a dairy farmer before.

 

[dsr-burnley]

And they force cows to come inside for the winter and eat ample quantities of fodder instead of their "natural" way of life, which would be to hope the grass started growing before they starved to death; and they are slaughtered relatively humanely by law instead of being allowed their natural death, usually by starvation brought on by illness, injury causing immobility, or old age.  

 

Hardly any animals have comfortable lives and deaths in the wild.  It always ends horribly.  

 

And most wild female animals have a succession of babies, whether forced to or not.  Obviously in that case if they lose them early it's by natural selection, not by farmer's choice.

 

As for the milking machines nowadays, they almost all work automatically.  The cow comes to its place in the stall and the machine attaches itself to the udder and milks them.  Don't ask me how!  But the cow needn't come to be milked if it doesn't want to be.

[Scotch]

Such a weird protest though...

 

They bought a product that they are against the production of and poured it on another product that they are against the production of meaning that the dairy farms that they are protesting not only profited from the milk that they bought and the cheese that they ruined but from the replacement cheese that the stores would have had to purchase and the replacement milk that would have been ordered to account for their large purchase. 

[HybridFox]

While I respect people's views on what they choose to consume (I am a vegetarian personally), this is just wasting. 

 

For that bottle spilled on the floor, that's another order that will need to be made to replenish it. Counter-intuitive to what they are protesting against.

 

The best form of protest - don't buy it

Edited 7 October 2022 by TK95

[leicsmac]

4 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

And they force cows to come inside for the winter and eat ample quantities of fodder instead of their "natural" way of life, which would be to hope the grass started growing before they starved to death; and they are slaughtered relatively humanely by law instead of being allowed their natural death, usually by starvation brought on by illness, injury causing immobility, or old age.  

 

Hardly any animals have comfortable lives and deaths in the wild.  It always ends horribly.  

 

And most wild female animals have a succession of babies, whether forced to or not.  Obviously in that case if they lose them early it's by natural selection, not by farmer's choice.

 

As for the milking machines nowadays, they almost all work automatically.  The cow comes to its place in the stall and the machine attaches itself to the udder and milks them.  Don't ask me how!  But the cow needn't come to be milked if it doesn't want to be.

This is a point that needs to be made more often. The "natural" world is often a really, really brutal place.

 

Exhibit A: https://massivesci.com/notes/parasitic-flatworm-mind-control-mimicry-spooky-animals/

 

Humans can be inventively cruel, but Mother Nature most often has us beat in terms of scale and creativity.

Edited 8 October 2022 by leicsmac

[ozleicester]

7 hours ago, st albans fox said:

how much damage did they do? 
 

i mean how cruel is the dairy industry ??? On a scale of what goes on in wider food production, how bad is dairy ??

 

5 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Am sure such protesters have never met a dairy farmer before.

 

If they think cows are being abused when pulling out milk out of them, they're wrong - as, if the cows were unhappy, they wouldn't produce much milk at all (even if done via pulling machines); they'd reject getting any out.

 

They're well-cared for, generally speaking.

 

So very very cruel.... watch this at your own risk

edit actually deleted the vid link coz it is horrific.... suffice to say dairy animal torment is cruel in the extreme

Edited 8 October 2022 by ozleicester

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

Not that I know a great deal on the subject but I saw them cover milking on How It's Made once (so this is probably Canadian practice), but the setup was basically a large heated shed with automated milkers, and the cows would actually go to the machines when they wanted milking, and would wander off when they were done. Looked as humane as you could imagine, apparently the cows feel pressure when needing milking and being milked gives the same relief as having a piss

Edited 8 October 2022 by Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

Not that I know a great deal on the subject but I saw them cover milking on How It's Made once (so this is probably Canadian practice), but the setup was basically a large heated shed with automated milkers, and the cows would actually go to the machines when they wanted milking, and would wander off when they were done. Looked as humane as you could imagine, apparently the cows feel pressure when needing milking and being milked gives the same relief as having a piss

As lovely as that sounds, think about why they feel that pressure. A machine designed to extract as much milk as possible will stimulate more and more milk production. Naturally a cows milk supply will adjust to the needs of the calf. 

[Fazzer 7]

I just hope these pair are given prison sentences and an invoice for the damage. They always choose soft targets, why don’t they go protest at a halal slaughter house, or even a conventional one. 
Why do the store security just allow them to carry on,without intervention, is it through fear of being prosecuted or something? 

Edited 8 October 2022 by Fazzer 7

[Parafox]

12 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Pretty bad when you consider what they have to do to get a constant milk supply. Without going into too much detail cows are mammals, like humans, think about what it would take to get a human to produce 60 litres of milk a day every day.

Cows have 4 nipples and huge udders in order to produce milk for their calves as they have done for ever. We exploit that for our own needs

[jammie82uk]

7 hours ago, Scotch said:

Such a weird protest though...

 

They bought a product that they are against the production of and poured it on another product that they are against the production of meaning that the dairy farms that they are protesting not only profited from the milk that they bought and the cheese that they ruined but from the replacement cheese that the stores would have had to purchase and the replacement milk that would have been ordered to account for their large purchase. 

There was no buying of products, there never is when these protests happens, this is a repeat of the same protest they did 2 months ago 

[Captain...]

Just now, Parafox said:

Cows have 4 nipples and huge udders in order to produce milk for their calves as they have done for ever. We exploit that for our own needs

Exploit is the right word, there is a natural process that they have evolved to meet the needs of their calves, then a lot of man made intervention including hormones, selective breeding, enforced pregnancy and mechanical milking which over the years has lead to unnaturally high yield cows. If freed now to lead a natural life most dairy cows would suffer great discomfort.

 

For full disclosure I do drink milk, although not as much as I used to and use oat milk where possible. I do so knowing that the dairy industry is horrendous.

[MrsJohnMurphy]

TBH I don't know why this protest is needed, more and more people are moving to dairy free alternatives, my Mrs who isn't vegetarian or vegan, only now has milk in tea or coffee, cereals porridge etc she uses almond or oat milk

 

Dairy usage must be at an all time low in this country

[st albans fox]

I like full fat milk with my cereal

 

i like clotted cream with my scones 

 

I like cream cakes

 

i like milk chocolate 

I like cheese 

 

I'm clearly a very bad person 

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

As lovely as that sounds, think about why they feel that pressure. A machine designed to extract as much milk as possible will stimulate more and more milk production. Naturally a cows milk supply will adjust to the needs of the calf. 

Naturally, they wouldn't be there in the first place, which makes me wonder, do these animal rights activists eat honey, the poor humble bee forced to produce a sweet sticky substance just so someone can come along and steal it.