Rodgers out? Being grateful versus being ambitious

[Foxxed]

I'm not suggesting these ideas can't co-exist: but they seem to be framed this way

Some say we should be grateful that we're playing a high level and we should support Rodgers.

Others say we the club should aim higher than our current level.

Is this how you see the fanbase split?

[Guest TamworthFoxes]

I see the fan base split in to 2 groups:

 

1) Those that are compos mentis, are not partially sighted/fully blind and can see we are going to be relegated 

2) Anybody who thinks Brendan should stay.

 

 

[Fox92]

7 minutes ago, TamworthFoxes said:

I see the fan base split in to 2 groups:

 

1) Those that are compos mentis, are not partially sighted/fully blind and can see we are going to be relegated 

2) Anybody who thinks Brendan should stay.

 

 

The two splits in the fan base are just Rodgers in and Rodgers out.

[Foxxed]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

The two splits in the fan base are just Rodgers in and Rodgers out.

Yeah but what are their reasons, is what I'm getting at. Some have suggested it's gratefulness verses ambition

[Stadt]

Sport's too meritocratic to be concerned about what people have done, it's about what they can deliver now or in the future. The longer Rodgers is here, the more the FA Cup win becomes something of a white elephant. If we're loyal to a man that has essentially dismantled all the good work done before him and takes us down; in the process risking the financial security of the club; we're idiots and we deserve it.

 

As soon as the trajectory of the club was consistently trending negatively under Rodgers - he should have been sacked.

[dmayne7]

24 minutes ago, Stadt said:

Sport's too meritocratic to be concerned about what people have done, it's about what they can deliver now or in the future. The longer Rodgers is here, the more the FA Cup win becomes something of a white elephant. If we're loyal to a man that has essentially dismantled all the good work done before him and takes us down; in the process risking the financial security of the club; we're idiots and we deserve it.

 

As soon as the trajectory of the club was consistently trending negatively under Rodgers - he should have been sacked.

Exactly this. Doesn't mean to say that you ignore all they've done in the past because that can be an indicator that things could well turn around and some loyalty is due but it's been on a downward trend for 2 years and painfully obvious for at least 15 months.

[Silva Fox]

I think it's a lot more complicated than that. I'm firmly in the Rodgers out camp but not just because I think we should be aiming higher.  I could accept our current predicament if I genuinely felt that he'd made the best possible fist of it with the resources he has at his disposal and we looked like we were going down with a fight. If that were the case I'd back him to get us promoted again.

 

What I can't accept, even after the highs of winning the PL (obviously not on his watch) and the FA Cup is the rapid decline in performances, players' fitness, style of football, tactics (lack of) squad togetherness and fighting spirit.   

 

Those who continue to back him seem either prepared to overlook all of his obvious weaknesses or somehow feel that the decline from our recent highs is just part of an inevitable cycle.

[Dahnsouff]

1 hour ago, Foxxed said:

I'm not suggesting these ideas can't co-exist: but they seem to be framed this way

Some say we should be grateful that we're playing a high level and we should support Rodgers.

Others say we the club should aim higher than our current level.

Is this how you see the fanbase split?

The only split in the fan base is those who understand context and those that don’t. 

[LcFc_Smiv]

1 minute ago, Silva Fox said:

I think it's a lot more complicated than that. I'm firmly in the Rodgers out camp but not just because I think we should be aiming higher.  I could accept our current predicament if I genuinely felt that he'd made the best possible fist of it with the resources he has at his disposal and we looked like we were going down with a fight. If that were the case I'd back him to get us promoted again.

 

What I can't accept, even after the highs of winning the PL (obviously not on his watch) and the FA Cup is the rapid decline in performances, players' fitness, style of football, tactics (lack of) squad togetherness and fighting spirit.   

 

Those who continue to back him seem either prepared to overlook all of his obvious weaknesses or somehow feel that the decline from our recent highs is just part of an inevitable cycle.

This is it. The major concerns for me are the regression of numerous players under him, a very concerning injury record that has hampered the development and careers of what should be some of our better talents. The football is tedious, slow and there is no fight or intent- no matter how much he or current players want to tell me otherwise in recent interviews. More than anything I have fallen out of love of watching my team under this manager, it isn't about thinking we are better than we are or being in a relegation scrap, it's about a man who has killed my love for the club.

[Dahnsouff]

Guess in my mind there are many issues we have, in no particular order

• Rodgers
• Recent recruitment 
• Recent contract renewals
• Global financial issues
• Misplaced loyalty
• The-what-next-conundrum

So this is why I was reluctant to make the binary choice, sorry.

Edited 21 March 2023 by Dahnsouff

[Guest Col city fan]

We had all this over Pearson and it was boring then too really.

Grown men on here claiming to have been crying when he got sacked (and then presumably crying when he got re-instated).

I think the difference is the strength of anti feeling toward Pearson at the time. Coming off the back of Ostrich gate, rugby tackling the opponent on the touch line and telling fans to ‘foad’. 

Then the miracle happened of course.

With Rodgers, the fan base seems more split. At games I’ve been told there’s little in the way of protest. And of course, we HAVE had success under Rodgers. I’m not sure they’d say at the moment but I’m sure a decent proportion on FT will still secretly be backing Rodgers.

The debate will go on till it just stops, either by relegation or safety or whatever. 

My opinion is he should have gone months ago. I can’t stand his bollox anymore.

[jayfox26]

I think what the op is basically trying to say in a diplomatic way is, who are the Rodgers supporters and why in gods name are you still backing him? 

[Daggers]

People who like Brendan Rodgers are:

People who like clappers

People who dance to goal music

People who buy half and half souvenirs scarves

People who queue to buy food at a match

People who read Top’s programme piece and reckon he wrote it

People who enjoy spitting at girls and threatening to hit them

 

Its a complex Venn diagram to be sure. 

[LCFCJohn]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

Guess in my mind there are many issues we have, in no particular order

• Rodgers
• Recent recruitment 
• Recent contract renewals
• Global financial issues
• Misplaced loyalty
• The-what-next-conundrum

So this is why I was reluctant to make the binary choice, sorry.

Agree with this. He is one problem of many, the rest won’t just go away by removing him. That said, managers carry the can for poor performances over a period of time, that’s football.

I suppose it comes down to whether you think he should be doing better with this squad. I think so. 

 

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

I'm still #backingbrendan despite whatever weird little assumptions the blob on here want to make about me about what I think on any other unrelated issue. I enjoy us scoring lots of goals rather than the Nuno 3-5-2 narcolepsyball we will be inevitably be playing should Brendan be sacked mid-season.

[Out Foxed]

3 hours ago, TamworthFoxes said:

I see the fan base split in to 2 groups:

 

1) Those that are compos mentis, are not partially sighted/fully blind and can see we are going to be relegated 

2) Anybody who thinks Brendan should stay.

 

 

anyone that doesn't want him gone needs their brain checking.

 

genuinely.

 

 

then again, seeing what people have allowed the government to get away with the last few years i probably shouldn't be surprised

[whoareyaaa]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Sport's too meritocratic to be concerned about what people have done, it's about what they can deliver now or in the future. The longer Rodgers is here, the more the FA Cup win becomes something of a white elephant. If we're loyal to a man that has essentially dismantled all the good work done before him and takes us down; in the process risking the financial security of the club; we're idiots and we deserve it.

 

As soon as the trajectory of the club was consistently trending negatively under Rodgers - he should have been sacked.

Exactly we only have the club to blame at this point, Rodgers has done everything possible to get sacked but somehow he is still here.

[Dahnsouff]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

Sport's too meritocratic to be concerned about what people have done, it's about what they can deliver now or in the future. The longer Rodgers is here, the more the FA Cup win becomes something of a white elephant. If we're loyal to a man that has essentially dismantled all the good work done before him and takes us down; in the process risking the financial security of the club; we're idiots and we deserve it.

 

As soon as the trajectory of the club was consistently trending negatively under Rodgers - he should have been sacked.

If that’s the case then why rag on Spurs for winning nothing, or celebrate any win as it’s only extremely short lived anyway, but I do see what you are saying. Only extremely minor defence I would give to him is, he had significant help in the mismanagement, which is quite galling.

[Corky]

This is a unique situation in our history. They seem to have given the club to Rodgers, even down to the layout of the training ground. Whether you liked or disliked Pearson, Puel, Sven, Sousa, Holloway or whoever, the club wasn't in thrall to them and made it clear that poor results would mean a change. 

 

That doesn't appear to be happening at this time. The owners have gone absolutely all in on this. Rodgers should have gone months ago, his influence is far too great but if you are given the power why not push it?

[Guest Col city fan]

Just now, Corky said:

This is a unique situation in our history. They seem to have given the club to Rodgers, even down to the layout of the training ground. Whether you liked or disliked Pearson, Puel, Sven, Sousa, Holloway or whoever, the club wasn't in thrall to them and made it clear that poor results would mean a change. 

 

That doesn't appear to be happening at this time. The owners have gone absolutely all in on this. Rodgers should have gone months ago, his influence is far too great but if you are given the power why not push it?

‘In thrall’? Explain Corky

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[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

This is a unique situation in our history. They seem to have given the club to Rodgers, even down to the layout of the training ground. Whether you liked or disliked Pearson, Puel, Sven, Sousa, Holloway or whoever, the club wasn't in thrall to them and made it clear that poor results would mean a change. 

 

That doesn't appear to be happening at this time. The owners have gone absolutely all in on this. Rodgers should have gone months ago, his influence is far too great but if you are given the power why not push it?

No amount of infatuation can exempt the club though.

[Le Renard]

19 minutes ago, Corky said:

This is a unique situation in our history. They seem to have given the club to Rodgers, even down to the layout of the training ground. Whether you liked or disliked Pearson, Puel, Sven, Sousa, Holloway or whoever, the club wasn't in thrall to them and made it clear that poor results would mean a change. 

 

I believe Rob Tanner made a similar point on Radio Leicester, it would take a lot of time and effort to unpick Rodger's influence at the club.  The club could feel Rodgers isn't the man to continue long-term, but they are unsure or can't get the right person for the job, either way, they just seem to be coming across like rabbits caught in headlights.

Edited 21 March 2023 by Le Renard

[weller54]

4 hours ago, Fox92 said:

The two splits in the fan base are just Rodgers in and Rodgers out.

I'm more Rodgers out out!

[Dan]

Sacking Ranieri actually protected his legacy a bit. Not sacking Rodgers has ruined his. Maybe I'll view it differently when he has gone but for now I just feel no sympaty / support towards the bloke at all.

[Beachyboy]

3 hours ago, LcFc_Smiv said:

This is it. The major concerns for me are the regression of numerous players under him, a very concerning injury record that has hampered the development and careers of what should be some of our better talents. The football is tedious, slow and there is no fight or intent- no matter how much he or current players want to tell me otherwise in recent interviews. More than anything I have fallen out of love of watching my team under this manager, it isn't about thinking we are better than we are or being in a relegation scrap, it's about a man who has killed my love for the club.

This "fallen out of love with watching my team" even when we lost every week in 2014, I had a sinking gutting feeling, now I just expect it and don't wanna watch the highlights or listen to the guy.

Edited 21 March 2023 by Beachyboy