Bluearmyfox28 Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 5 minutes ago, chapero82 said: If Stowell kept us up then I Bet Kingpower would give it them full time like they did Shaky Even though this comment was probably a bit tongue in cheek, this genuinely worries me about any short term replacement. The owners getting attached very quickly it seems in the past.
sheffield_fox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 (edited) Having read Wilder suggested, my 2 cents as a Sheffield United fan-in-law is that he's tactically astute in games but an absolute liability at picking signings. Definitely not who we'd want in charge over the summer. With regards to De Zerbi, in fairness, he's managing a very talented and cohesive squad that was assembled by Potter. Albeit with the support of the clearly very astute Brighton board of directors. We need someone who can do that and any other manager we'd take would also come with the question over how much of their past success could be attributed directly to their actions. Edited 3 April 2023 by sheffield_fox
FoxyJim1987 Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 26 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: It also has to be considered that the man that replaced him has pushed them on. So was Potter underachieving a little at Brighton with the group of players at his disposal? Or maybe it’s just very fortunate that they replaced a “talented” manager with a even more talented manager. Surely the groundwork was done by Potter. He brought in those players like Trossard, Mitoma, Alexis, Gross etc and took them from relegation candidates to a mid table attractive side. De Zerbi wouldn't have hit the ground running without that framework set up by Potter. 2
Fox92 Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 2 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said: Having read Wilder suggested, my 2 cents as a Sheffield United fan in law is that he's tactically astute in games but an absolute liability at picking signings. Definitely not who we'd want in charge over the summer. Don't think he was tactically astute at Middlesbrough.
dylanlegend Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 2 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said: Having read Wilder suggested, my 2 cents as a Sheffield United fan in law is that he's tactically astute in games but an absolute liability at picking signings. Definitely not who we'd want in charge over the summer. Carbon copy of Rodgers then
CrispinLA in Texas Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 2 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: Surely the groundwork was done by Potter. He brought in those players like Trossard, Mitoma, Alexis, Gross etc and took them from relegation candidates to a mid table attractive side. De Zerbi wouldn't have hit the ground running without that framework set up by Potter. They've got a hands on owner and recruitment as been superb........ don't know who gets the credit
MPH Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 48 minutes ago, Wortho said: I realise how long he's been there. He took Middlesbrough took the bottom three so it's a no from me. Surely we have to aim higher than Wilder fgs!!! Oh I agree with you. But you can’t write him off after two games was the point I was making. 1
TrentFox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 20 minutes ago, Nod.E said: Like the theory but by all accounts he wasn't liked within the camp when here. Not that being liked is the benchmark for success, I just think it could be a recipe for disaster. Interesting. I’ve never heard that before 😳🤔
sheffield_fox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: Don't think he was tactically astute at Middlesbrough. Fair point tbf. I agree I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. 1
st albans fox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 2 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: Surely the groundwork was done by Potter. He brought in those players like Trossard, Mitoma, Alexis, Gross etc and took them from relegation candidates to a mid table attractive side. De Zerbi wouldn't have hit the ground running without that framework set up by Potter. Imo, de zerbi plays potter ball thirty yards higher up the pitch potter’s brighton were wonderful playing pretty patterns but they only ended up around the centre circle as an end game - I would think he’s seen where he was going wrong now.
MPH Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 33 minutes ago, Ian S said: 5 games and won 1, not the sort of new manager bounce we need. FWIW, i was never suggesting we go for him.
ClaphamFox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 19 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: 6 games isn’t a huge sample size when comparing the opposite number over 20 Potter's overall win rate with Brighton was 31.1%. Rodgers' win rate with us was 45.1% 1
Stinkenzo Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 5 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Don't think he was tactically astute at Middlesbrough. Unlike Cambiasso who has been tactically astute everywhere he's managed
MPH Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Potter's overall win rate with Brighton was 31.1%. Rodgers' win rate with us was 45.1% but what has Rodgers win rate been over the last two seasons? you can’t really judge a manager on what he did 4 seasons ago… Edited 3 April 2023 by MPH
ARTY_FOX Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 55 minutes ago, Danny280995 said: Potter most likely candidate, knows the league, has good style of football What does having managed in the league have to do with it?
Foxes BC Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 I think Graham Potter is very similar to Rodgers in his demeanour on the touchline. Another manager who likes his team to pass the ball around. Not sure he would be successful.
HankMarvin Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 10 minutes ago, FoxyJim1987 said: Surely the groundwork was done by Potter. He brought in those players like Trossard, Mitoma, Alexis, Gross etc and took them from relegation candidates to a mid table attractive side. De Zerbi wouldn't have hit the ground running without that framework set up by Potter. Graham Potter explains Brighton's decision-making process in transfers and the risks involved Graham Potter is a very astute manager in a tactical sense but the 46-year-old has admitted he does not really lead the way when it comes to Brighton signing players However, while he is a very astute manager in a tactical sense, the 46-year-old has admitted he does not really lead the way when it comes to the club signing players. But how involved does Potter get in transfer dealings? "The clue is in the job title, I am the head coach and my responsibility is to the team and players we have - that is 20 plus players," he explained at a recent fans' forum. If then I have the responsibility to look around the world for other players and recommend players then clearly I am not going to have much of a life, that's for sure, and not do it very well, is the other thing. "My job is to try to put a team on the pitch that is clear in terms of what we are trying to do, so that the guys in the recruitment department can align what they are looking for with the team that we have; so that it becomes clearer on how do we strengthen, what do we need to do, what are we looking for, what particular attributes we are looking for and what people we are looking for. "And then it is to support the club in making the right decision." 1
Stinkenzo Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 2 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said: What does having managed in the league have to do with it? Long term nothing, at this stage in 19th it should be considered to have a bit of importance
Happy Fox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 Substance over style should be the short term aim we need the points to stay up, so a short term appointment makes sense, play Nacho and Vardy upfront reintroduce Cags to the team. 1
ClaphamFox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 2 minutes ago, MPH said: but what has Rodgers win rate been over the last two seasons? you can’t really judge a manager on what he did 4 seasons ago… No, you can't. But this season Potter's win rate with Chelsea was only 38.7% - I suspect whoever Chelsea in next will immediately improve upon that. I don't think we were wrong to sack Rodgers. Far from it - his time was clearly over. But I think it's worth bearing in mind that Potter's record at Brighton wasn't necessarily as good as some people seem to think, and this has become even more clear since Brighton have actually improved since he left.
Nod.E Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 30 minutes ago, hejammy said: Really? I'm surprised? Is this based on facts or just a guess? Was mentioned in Vardy's book. Can't remember specifics but general sense of him rubbing people up the wrong way. Arrogance etc.
FoxesWalk Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 (edited) People vastly overestimate the role managers have in player recruitment in the modern game. Back in the era of Wenger, for example, it was common place for managers to do a lot more than just coach, but it is no longer the case in many clubs. Edited 3 April 2023 by FoxesWalk 1
FrankieADZ Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said: People vastly overestimate the role managers have in player recruitment in the modern game. Back in the era of Wenger, for example, it was common place for managers to do a lot more than just coach, but it is no longer the case in many clubs. thats why i think hes best to call some of them a head coach more than a manager 2
ARTY_FOX Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 4 minutes ago, Stinky said: Long term nothing, at this stage in 19th it should be considered to have a bit of importance Not at all. Wether someone has managed in this particular league has absolutley zero bearing. I also don't think making a permanent appointment now is any good either. That ship has sailed. A caretaker to see the season out and assess when we're safe.
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