Rudkin

[Aus Fox]

You have to also wonder, if Rudkin by your firms metrics is the second or third most successful DoF, why have other bigger clubs not come in for him?

 

[iancognito]

7 hours ago, Product of 84 said:

It was a terrible time. I had my whole family with me for the Brentford game. It felt like we were simply going through the motions to the inevitable relegation. 

 

However, can you compare the two? 

 

Norwich are a club I'd suggest are a similar size to Leicester yet we are comparing two very different leagues.

Our losing run was towards the end of the season, theirs at the beginning. 

Most 'experts' felt Norwich would have a strong season not many predicted Leicester too in the Premier League.

 

I just think we have to be patient. 

This sort of thing is what I see all over Facebook. "I've been there through the tough times" "I'll support them whatever league they're in" "remember Levein, that was worse than this" "be careful what you wish for, it's not exactly Martin George".

 

Comparing this club to what we were in the 80s or 90s is insanity. It's barely even the same sport these days, the money involved, the marketing, the exposure around the world. We could be bottom of this league below Sheff Wed and some of these mentally ill psychopaths would still insist on Top staying and be careful the next guy could be worse. It's Stockholm Syndrome. King Power have taken their brains hostage and the zombies are blaming their brains for being in the wrong place.

 

Our fanbase is utterly lost.

[wattolcfc]

13 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

For which club were you tasked with this? Hopefully you’ve told them John is the best in the business and to go all out to get him 🙏

[Product of 84]

12 minutes ago, iancognito said:

This sort of thing is what I see all over Facebook. "I've been there through the tough times" "I'll support them whatever league they're in" "remember Levein, that was worse than this" "be careful what you wish for, it's not exactly Martin George".

 

Comparing this club to what we were in the 80s or 90s is insanity. It's barely even the same sport these days, the money involved, the marketing, the exposure around the world. We could be bottom of this league below Sheff Wed and some of these mentally ill psychopaths would still insist on Top staying and be careful the next guy could be worse. It's Stockholm Syndrome. King Power have taken their brains hostage and the zombies are blaming their brains for being in the wrong place.

 

Our fanbase is utterly lost.

I'm sorry but I'm not lost or mentally ill. My brain is free thinking and my own. I simply have a different opinion to you. 

 

And yes I do remember Levein. And I am careful what I wish for. 

 

I also remember success that I couldn't even of dreamed of. And due to remembering that success I'm prepared to wait and see. I'm prepared to allow the people who brought us that success the time to turn our current mess around. 

 

I'd also much rather have owners who roll the dice than sit and watch us simply survive season after season in the Prem. 

[Thefox81]

10 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

I'm sorry but I'm not lost or mentally ill. My brain is free thinking and my own. I simply have a different opinion to you. 

 

And yes I do remember Levein. And I am careful what I wish for. 

 

I also remember success that I couldn't even of dreamed of. And due to remembering that success I'm prepared to wait and see. I'm prepared to allow the people who brought us that success the time to turn our current mess around. 

 

I'd also much rather have owners who roll the dice than sit and watch us simply survive season after season in the Prem. 

Its been 4 years of decline. How long are you willing to give them? 10 years? 20?

[john ridley]

14 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

I'm sorry but I'm not lost or mentally ill. My brain is free thinking and my own i simply have a different opinion to you. 

 

And yes I do remember Levein. And I am careful what I wish for. 

 

I also remember success that I couldn't even of dreamed of. And due to remembering that success I'm prepared to wait and see. I'm prepared to allow the people who brought us that success the time to turn our current mess around. 

 

I'd also much rather have owners who roll the dice than sit and watch us simply survive season after season in the Prem. 

They've  rolled the dice and lost.We are not going to get better with these 2 in charge .Your wasting  your time thinking any thing other will happen. 

Edited 11 November 2025 by john ridley

[RedSoxUK]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

You have to also wonder, if Rudkin by your firms metrics is the second or third most successful DoF, why have other bigger clubs not come in for him?

 

They're going bankrupt, allegedly.

[LCFCJohn]

41 minutes ago, Product of 84 said:

I'm sorry but I'm not lost or mentally ill. My brain is free thinking and my own. I simply have a different opinion to you. 

 

And yes I do remember Levein. And I am careful what I wish for. 

 

I also remember success that I couldn't even of dreamed of. And due to remembering that success I'm prepared to wait and see. I'm prepared to allow the people who brought us that success the time to turn our current mess around. 

 

I'd also much rather have owners who roll the dice than sit and watch us simply survive season after season in the Prem. 

Sorry to break it to you, but anybody who brought us the success left the club a long time ago. Vardy was the final one. 

[Dan]

11 hours ago, Aleksz said:

In addition to your post - this bit of research came out this week.

 

 

I don't follow, where is the so called best in the business on this list?

[Dan]

14 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

You would think a top club would come in for him then no?

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

You have to also wonder, if Rudkin by your firms metrics is the second or third most successful DoF, why have other bigger clubs not come in for him?

 

Organisations are full of people who stick around and are over promoted because they know the place and are supposed to be a “safe pair of hands”. If you look at his path at the club that is him. Started off as a volunteer coach…

 

Very rarely works imo as organisations need new ideas which you don’t often get from lifers.

[Product of 84]

1 hour ago, Thefox81 said:

Its been 4 years of decline. How long are you willing to give them? 10 years? 20?

The rest of this season. It's actually massive. We've got to survive the points deduction, survive the Championship. Sell/allow the high earners to leave and begin the recovery.

 

Then I want to see a promotion push with financial backing. 

[Dan]

9 hours ago, 87fox said:

I can understand your sentiment but I believe it's mistaken. We aren't of a comparable size to Norwich:

 

Premier Leagues 1 - 0

FA Cups 1 - 0

League Cups 3 - 2
Major honours 7 - 2

 

Seasons in top tier 57 - 27

Seasons in third tier 1 - 29

 

~47% of our history we've been in the top tier

~28% of their history they've been in the top tier

7 consecutive league home defeats, but they also scored 5 goals in those games, and picked up 9 points on the road
9 consecutive league home defeats, we scored 0 goals in those games, and in that time picked up just 3 points on the road

Our run was way, way worse.

We're still sinking to new lows, now lower than when King Power took over, but people are still clapping the players off the pitch.

Honestly quite surprised by some of this  - they're smaller than I thought they were. Their support and their stadium does a lot of heavy lifting for them.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

14 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

Like Rodger’s with Puel, Rudkin profited hugely in his role by what previous people had done. I think Rudkin became DoF in 2015, so he literally had had bog all to do with the title win in that role. The structures had been in place for years. We did have a period where we had quite a good years after that, but if his role sees benefits in the long term those good years were perhaps not all down to him (and more to do with the structures put in place when he came in). Fast forward to now when he’s been in the role 10 years, look what has happened. He’s squandered the best situation and footing the club had ever been on, at a time when it was the most lucrative to be taking advantage of being a top side. We’re now a basket case - that’s his legacy.

[Chelmofox]

15 hours ago, Globalfox said:

We were recently asked to assemble data for a hiring campaign for a major sporting director. Since we assembled a ton of data  to build the job metrics, hiring strategy and KPI’s we decided to look at where Jon Rudkin fits and if there is a reason Top May not seem keen to move him. Now you have to eliminate the style of football and emotion. The facts are that in English foot ball 

over his tenure Rudkin is the second or third most successful Director of Football. Only Man City’s recently departed DOF is better. remember in his tenure only 4 teams other than Leicester won the EPL, only 5 teams other than Leicester won an FA Cup, yes we have had two relegations but also two promotions. On transfers income in to income out is not the big loss we perceive it’s about 15 million euro per season he has been in charge. Considering the heights we strove to reach is not that bad and for our revenue capacity is better than many. Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. Cold facts are that his resume is quire good. I can hear the howls coming but would someone else have delivered more? Has he run out of steam or has the club hit a natural ceiling? For an incoming DOF if you told them 3 trophies, two promotions, two top five finishes and a European cup quarter final in 20 years would you get someone who can deliver on what in comparison is not a high salary. To be honest we think we would struggle to find a candidate.

This is like doing a review of Lehman Brothers just before if went bust, and gleefully pointing out that they are still a massive success because they used to be one of the highest profile investment banks.  You cannot only measure the success, but also the steps that have directed us to the rot we sit in now. 

 

You have made the mistake of taking his start date ( December 2014), and attributing all the initial success to him. What could he have masterminded so quickly that led to the great escape? What measures has he done that highlight extreme competency in the role (taking into account he inherited a structure that won the title).  Indeed, 'the cold hard facts' as you state point to him overseeing the dismantling of the structures that lead to that success.  Overseeing crazy power being handed to Rodgers which gutted so much of our infrastructure, handing out crazy contracts to poor players, crippling our finances, overseeing players running down contracts just to name a few.

 

Icing in the cake is Wages is the big downfall and we wonder is there another element at play. So basically , you highlight an error so severe, that its crippled the club over the last few years, and will continue to do so for years to come. But are willing to write it off as 'likely someone elses error'. You could have said of Lehman Brothers 'Cashflow is a downfall, but there could be another element at play'.  Nonsense. 

 

Sure you mean well, but hope i never have to use your data services.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Product of 84 said:

The rest of this season. It's actually massive. We've got to survive the points deduction, survive the Championship. Sell/allow the high earners to leave and begin the recovery.

 

Then I want to see a promotion push with financial backing. 

You won’t cause the poor financial performance legacy of previous years kills our FFP headroom for at least another season after this 

[orangecity23]

Best in the business dof learned so much from the previous errors of spending £20 million on soumare with no resale value to be recouped, that last season he went out and did the same thing and picked up Skipp, a player even worse, with worse ability, and with even less resale value (essentially zero).

 

The financial situation will never improve, because nothing has been learnt. Our best assets will continue to be sold below their worth, to fill the neverending financial black hole. This is because every time we do get some money to spend, we continue to chuck it away on absolute shite and dig the hole bigger again.

[Pita]

16 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

Best in the business dof learned so much from the previous errors of spending £20 million on soumare with no resale value to be recouped, that last season he went out and did the same thing and picked up Skipp, a player even worse, with worse ability, and with even less resale value (essentially zero).

 

The financial situation will never improve, because nothing has been learnt. Our best assets will continue to be sold below their worth, to fill the neverending financial black hole. This is because every time we do get some money to spend, we continue to chuck it away on absolute shite and dig the hole bigger again.

Spot on 👍

[jim5000]

11 hours ago, Spudulike said:

In what way are Norwich of a similar club size to LCFC? 

 

Stadium, history, following, income, provincial location. We've had a good run recently, but absolutely Norwich are a club of a similar size. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

8 hours ago, iancognito said:

This sort of thing is what I see all over Facebook. "I've been there through the tough times" "I'll support them whatever league they're in" "remember Levein, that was worse than this" "be careful what you wish for, it's not exactly Martin George".

 

Comparing this club to what we were in the 80s or 90s is insanity. It's barely even the same sport these days, the money involved, the marketing, the exposure around the world. We could be bottom of this league below Sheff Wed and some of these mentally ill psychopaths would still insist on Top staying and be careful the next guy could be worse. It's Stockholm Syndrome. King Power have taken their brains hostage and the zombies are blaming their brains for being in the wrong place.

 

Our fanbase is utterly lost.

Martin George was an excellent chairman and continually got it right when it came to identifying managers. Did an excellent job of rebuilding the club after the Pleat years and laid the foundations of a good few years of relative success for our club at the time, supported by Brian Little, Mark McGhee and Martin O’Neill. 

[Spudulike]

8 hours ago, jim5000 said:

 

Stadium, history, following, income, provincial location. We've had a good run recently, but absolutely Norwich are a club of a similar size. 

Stadium: smaller

History: not even close

Following: less capacity

Income: who knows?

Provincial location: tick

[bmt]

12 hours ago, Product of 84 said:

I'm sorry but I'm not lost or mentally ill. My brain is free thinking and my own. I simply have a different opinion to you. 

 

And yes I do remember Levein. And I am careful what I wish for. 

 

I also remember success that I couldn't even of dreamed of. And due to remembering that success I'm prepared to wait and see. I'm prepared to allow the people who brought us that success the time to turn our current mess around. 

 

I'd also much rather have owners who roll the dice than sit and watch us simply survive season after season in the Prem. 

I'm gonna put it out there the Levein years were more fun than the last season and a half

[CosbehFox]

8 hours ago, jim5000 said:

 

Stadium, history, following, income, provincial location. We've had a good run recently, but absolutely Norwich are a club of a similar size. 

My wife is from a Norwich supporting family - they regularly concede we are a bigger club. Even said it when I first met them as we beat them as a Championship club and they were PL in that famous Cup game a few years back. 

[87fox]

9 hours ago, jim5000 said:

 

Stadium, history, following, income, provincial location. We've had a good run recently, but absolutely Norwich are a club of a similar size. 

	Leicester	Norwich
Years in Premier League	18	10
Top tier seasons	57	27
2nd tier seasons	64	43
3rd tier seasons	1	29
4th tier seasons	0	0
% in top tier	46.72 %	27.27 %
Titles (Tier 1)	1	0
Titles (Tier 2)	8	5
FA Cup wins	1	0
FA Cup runner up	4	0
League Cup wins	3	2
League Cup runner up	2	2
Community Shield wins	2	0
50-year average attendance	21,311	20,418
Stadium capacity	32,259	27,244
50-year average placing	21.62	22.84
England caps (whilst at club)	179	16
Top-tier points (all-time)	2,813	1,256

[john ridley]

18 minutes ago, 87fox said:

	Leicester	Norwich
Years in Premier League	18	10
Top tier seasons	57	27
2nd tier seasons	64	43
3rd tier seasons	1	29
4th tier seasons	0	0
% in top tier	46.72 %	27.27 %
Titles (Tier 1)	1	0
Titles (Tier 2)	8	5
FA Cup wins	1	0
FA Cup runner up	4	0
League Cup wins	3	2
League Cup runner up	2	2
Community Shield wins	2	0
50-year average attendance	21,311	20,418
Stadium capacity	32,259	27,244
50-year average placing	21.62	22.84
England caps (whilst at club)	179	16
Top-tier points (all-time)	2,813	1,256

Can that information be got up for Leicester v Coventry,all I hear at work is how great Cov are and what their  gonna do in the Premier League  next season .