Vestergaard

[The Horse's Mouth]

On 25/09/2024 at 10:03, An Away Move said:

Half decent? 🤣

He was excellent last season. I loved his redemption story. Finally played to his strengths by a manager who knew what he was doing. Feeling nostalgic for the latter already. 

Agreed

[MaidstoneFox]

20 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

Enzo requested it and the club were desperate to keep Enzo, so they agreed. Then Enzo buggered off. 

Even at the time though, 3 years seemed nuts and even more so now. He's already declined in performance from last year and he won't make the squad with a new manager even in the Championship. Realistically we will have to find a loan club for him in Europe and subsidise his wages. He obviously likes his London life as his family are there etc, but he is going to have to make some choices if he wants to actually play.

Edited 2 March by MaidstoneFox

[MaidstoneFox]

 

 

Quite a nice looking dog though. 

[volpeazzurro]

20 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

You have to laugh at this stage.

 

I’m far from a Jannik fan but find it interesting that news about “him leaving training pronto to travel” would have been the same last year yet never brought up.

 

All ironic really, I find this squad extremely unlikeable and it appears that they feel similar about each other, if players from the “leadership” group have had to be told about their time spent at Seagrave.

I too don't have a problem with it. I also would leave work pronto to either get home to my family or do something more interesting socially! The last thing I'd want to do is hang around gassing to work colleagues all the time as much as I liked them. Some people get wrapped up in football as being a fairytale existence just because it's their hobby and probably wish they could do it themselves. To the players it's invariably just a job that you get paid very well for. To be honest, I suspect training 5 days a week isn't actually very glamorous and at times it would certainly bore the pants off most people. Particularly if you live in London (a separate issue), it's no wonder you want to disappear ASAP. 

[sm1]

Looked good in the championship because teams sat back and let us dictate the play. No such thing will ever happen in the PL, and as such he'll always look shit. The same goes for Faes. 

[Dmitry]

How does one daily commute to a job that is 100+ miles away? Would it be fair to say that it is at least a 3+ hours door-to-door round-trip?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

2 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

How does one daily commute to a job that is 100+ miles away? Would it be fair to say that it is at least a 3+ hours door-to-door round-trip?

I'm sure I read somewhere that Kasper, who lived in the Manchester area, used to employ someone to drive him in a van while he kipped in the back.

[BKLFox]

It’s often said on here that when a manager finally plays to his strengths then he is good but what exactly is his strength? Is it that he can ping a pass from the halfway line because if so is that a strength or a weakness of the opposition?

 

For me he’s 1 of the worst CBs in premier lge history let alone our worst CB.

He can’t play in a high line against 90% of premier league opposition & he doesn’t come away with 7+ in a low block, he telegraphs his passes, he can’t head a ball in either box despite being the tallest player on the pitch, he bends like a piece of paper in a tackle please can we stop suggesting a manager should play to his strengths because the only strength he has is being able to dust the corners of a high room!

[kenny]

1 hour ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

I'm sure I read somewhere that Kasper, who lived in the Manchester area, used to employ someone to drive him in a van while he kipped in the back.

He did. Its the most sensible way of commuting that far as a wealthy footballer.

[Tielemans63]

Here's a thought: if he sees out his latest contract, he'll have 'earned' circa £18m+ from the club. Add in his transfer fee, and this absolute disaster of a signing will have cost us easily £35m inc. signing on fees......for one okay season in the Championship.

 

For me, this has to make him, pound for pound, one of our worst ever signings. Easily.

 

 

Edited 2 March by Tielemans63

[john ridley]

To be honest we're  full of our worst ever signings at the minute  ,it's hard to find good value. 

[HarryDee8]

Surely he can't play again after that performance

[Craig]

19 minutes ago, HarryDee8 said:

Surely he can't play again after that performance

 

[Nalis]

5 hours ago, Tielemans63 said:

Here's a thought: if he sees out his latest contract, he'll have 'earned' circa £18m+ from the club. Add in his transfer fee, and this absolute disaster of a signing will have cost us easily £35m inc. signing on fees......for one okay season in the Championship.

 

For me, this has to make him, pound for pound, one of our worst ever signings. Easily.

 

 

I'd probably agree but he has some stiff competition from the last few years.

[Big Blue Maff]

He is absolutely ****ing crap , 1st class shit , WOEFULL

[cropstonfox]

Too slow and very poor in the air. 

Absolute disaster signing by Rogers and his substandard team.

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Let's be honest, with the system that Cooper & Ruud are so adamant to play none of our defenders are going to be good enough at this level. Granted the opposition was of a lesser standard last year, but we played with our left back (Doyle or Justin) as a 3rd centre back who rarely crosses the half way, allowing some cover for Faes and Vestergaard. Now we have Kristiansen who just bombs forward like a headless chicken and has no positional sense, evident for West Hams 1st, Arsenals 2nd, Brentfords 2nd goals just in the last 3 weeks.

 

All 4 centre halves have glaring weaknesses at this level, and none are good enough to play in a pair, particularly with our full backs lack of any cover, which is why I'm bemused at successive managers not adopting a back 3/5, particularly when we are rolling out Ayew and Reid as our wide options. 

 

Both Coady with Wolves and Vestergaard with Denmark have proved they can play in a back 3 competently enough, just bizarre that our coaching staff can't see what we see from the stands given they analyse every goal and surely see recurring patterns.

[deep blue]

Just now, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Let's be honest, with the system that Cooper & Ruud are so adamant to play none of our defenders are going to be good enough at this level. Granted the opposition was of a lesser standard last year, but we played with our left back (Doyle or Justin) as a 3rd centre back who rarely crosses the half way, allowing some cover for Faes and Vestergaard. Now we have Kristiansen who just bombs forward like a headless chicken and has no positional sense, evident for West Hams 1st, Arsenals 2nd, Brentfords 2nd goals just in the last 3 weeks.

 

All 4 centre halves have glaring weaknesses at this level, and none are good enough to play in a pair, particularly with our full backs lack of any cover, which is why I'm bemused at successive managers not adopting a back 3/5, particularly when we are rolling out Ayew and Reid as our wide options. 

 

Both Coady with Wolves and Vestergaard with Denmark have proved they can play in a back 3 competently enough, just bizarre that our coaching staff can't see what we see from the stands given they analyse every goal and surely see recurring patterns.

Watched Calvin Bassey today.  Competent Prem CB - fast, solid, good positioning & awareness; and he chips in with the odd goal.  It sucks to see him with Fulham as compared with the dross we have at CB.  Castagne had a solid game too.

[Deeg67]

Pretty much revisionist history to call his Championship season "OK". He was absolutely integral to Enzo's scheme and the performance perceptibly dipped when he wasn't playing. Obviously that's because he could thrive in a situation where we dominated possession and his main role was to be a deep-lying playmaker, and not defending, and that will never happen in the PL. But that doesn't diminish his 23-24 season in the slightest.

[LCFCJohn]

5 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

Pretty much revisionist history to call his Championship season "OK". He was absolutely integral to Enzo's scheme and the performance perceptibly dipped when he wasn't playing. Obviously that's because he could thrive in a situation where we dominated possession and his main role was to be a deep-lying playmaker, and not defending, and that will never happen in the PL. But that doesn't diminish his 23-24 season in the slightest.

Because he could pass the ball out?

 

Even though we won the league (just), we lost 11 games, a huge number particularly with how we started the season, and conceded 41 goals, nearly 1 per game at 0.89. For context, Leeds this season are on 22 from 35 so 0.62.

 

He might have been good at the playing out side, but we were pretty poor defensively considering quality available last season and Vestergaard and Fae for that matter were central to that.

[ClaphamFox]

20 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Because he could pass the ball out?

 

Even though we won the league (just), we lost 11 games, a huge number particularly with how we started the season, and conceded 41 goals, nearly 1 per game at 0.89. For context, Leeds this season are on 22 from 35 so 0.62.

 

He might have been good at the playing out side, but we were pretty poor defensively considering quality available last season and Vestergaard and Fae for that matter were central to that.

This seems to get overlooked sometimes. We conceded a lot of goals for a team that won the division. By Championship standards our defence was ok, not great, and was considerably poorer than the one we’d been relegated with the previous season. Our failure to improve the defence last summer is the main reason we’re going down. 

[john ridley]

He's  been poor in all his time here ,seems also to have abit of an attitude, and not in a positive  way .Yet another one can't wait to see the back of.

[Foxy DK]

6 hours ago, Deeg67 said:

Pretty much revisionist history to call his Championship season "OK". He was absolutely integral to Enzo's scheme and the performance perceptibly dipped when he wasn't playing. Obviously that's because he could thrive in a situation where we dominated possession and his main role was to be a deep-lying playmaker, and not defending, and that will never happen in the PL. But that doesn't diminish his 23-24 season in the slightest.

It’s very hard for many people to keep two thoughts in their heads at the same time. He was very good last season, he’s very bad this season.

[LCFCJohn]

2 minutes ago, Foxy DK said:

It’s very hard for many people to keep two thoughts in their heads at the same time. He was very good last season, he’s very bad this season.

Or maybe people can see that because he was good at the playing out side it doesn’t mean he was ‘very good’ at defending. 

[LCFCJohn]

45 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

This seems to get overlooked sometimes. We conceded a lot of goals for a team that won the division. By Championship standards our defence was ok, not great, and was considerably poorer than the one we’d been relegated with the previous season. Our failure to improve the defence last summer is the main reason we’re going down. 

Glad it’s not just me!

 

I think partly it was also down to the set up but often we got punished time again down our right from leaving so much space, Bristol City, Millwall and Plymouth away in quick succession come to mind.

 

And Vestergaard and Faes, same issue, probably thought they were too good for that level.