Trav Le Bleu Posted 25 May 2024 Author Posted 25 May 2024 3 hours ago, westernpark said: Hislop is excellent- well my opinion until I saw his play at the curve. Very boring and I come from an acting dynasty (not my words but the words of IMDB). Wipers times it was called. Mr De Mille wants to know if you're ready for your close-up darling? 1
Trav Le Bleu Posted 25 May 2024 Author Posted 25 May 2024 46 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: Confirmation that Sunak is desperate to lose this election by saying he'll bring back national service, as he prioritises the thought and wishes of old white men and women who, of course, never did national service and would never have to do it themselves. Absolutely incredible that he's so desperate to crack the Reform UK vote so help candidates in marginal seats where the vote might be split. Would be very interested to know how he'll fund the army in enforcing this, and if there are enough prison places for non compliance. Indeed. Conservatives plan to bring back mandatory National Service https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo Way to lose the youth vote Rishi!
Brizzle Fox Posted 25 May 2024 Posted 25 May 2024 43 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: Confirmation that Sunak is desperate to lose this election by saying he'll bring back national service, as he prioritises the thought and wishes of old white men and women who, of course, never did national service and would never have to do it themselves. Absolutely incredible that he's so desperate to crack the Reform UK vote so help candidates in marginal seats where the vote might be split. Would be very interested to know how he'll fund the army in enforcing this, and if there are enough prison places for non compliance. The thing is he's already got the **** vote pretty much tied down anyway. At least it should encourage the young uns to register to vote...mandatory Maths to 18 then mandatory military service or compulsory volunteering (...how does that even work), then who knows what. The Tories really do hate young people. Also the military hate the idea of compulsory National Service anyway. Maybe just fund the regular armed forces properly? Tomorrow's manifesto pledge will probably be to bring back rationing and rickets...
Daggers Posted 25 May 2024 Posted 25 May 2024 15 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said: The Tories really do hate young people. FTFY 4
st albans fox Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Indeed. Conservatives plan to bring back mandatory National Service https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo Way to lose the youth vote Rishi! Interesting thought those who are able to vote are not affected by this do eighteen year olds care if their younger peers have to take on a year of pseudo military / social responsibility ?? The tories don’t have much support whatsoever in the 18/24 age group. I doubt this policy will affect anything down there. in the older age groups it might though. Look at the reform percentage. If sunak can get his hands on that then he’s got a chance of a hung parliament. Edited 26 May 2024 by st albans fox
Jon the Hat Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 10 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Indeed. Conservatives plan to bring back mandatory National Service https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo Way to lose the youth vote Rishi! It’s ok, he said it’s if they win the election.
Sampson Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 Mandatory military service for the British army in Northern Ireland definitely doesn’t sound like a recipe for disaster.
Alf Bentley Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: Interesting thought those who are able to vote are not affected by this do eighteen year olds care if their younger peers have to take on a year of pseudo military / social responsibility ?? The tories don’t have much support whatsoever in the 18/24 age group. I doubt this policy will affect anything down there. in the older age groups it might though. Look at the reform percentage. If sunak can get his hands on that then he’s got a chance of a hung parliament. Fair point. On the other hand, it would indirectly affect a lot of voting 40-65-year-old parents of kids under 18. Some might like the idea of their teenage kids doing military service for a year or "compulsory volunteering" for a weekend once a month......and might like the idea of seeing less of their kids. Others might want to see more of them, might want them to focus on studies/work or might worry that it wasn't the right thing for their kids if they have mental health or social integration difficulties. Also, given how little attention most people pay to politics - and how everything is distorted by social media - a lot of people will just register "compulsory military service for young people".
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 On 24/05/2024 at 19:53, purpleronnie said: Michael gove actually wrote this in his resignation letter. "I have always tried to be a voice for the overlooked and undervalued," - Michael Gove. To be fair to Gove and this isn’t something I’d have thought before working for the government. Senior civil servants will never say a bad word about him - he is apparently brilliant to work for and the most competent Tory by a country mile. 1
purpleronnie Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 22 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said: To be fair to Gove and this isn’t something I’d have thought before working for the government. Senior civil servants will never say a bad word about him - he is apparently brilliant to work for and the most competent Tory by a country mile. LOL. 1
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 29 minutes ago, purpleronnie said: LOL. That’s exactly what I thought but in terms of getting stuff done and knowing how to, he’s apparently a breathe of fresh air. I still think he’s a massive bell end but that’s apparently true of him, professionally. 1
Jattdogg Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 1 hour ago, Alf Bentley said: Fair point. On the other hand, it would indirectly affect a lot of voting 40-65-year-old parents of kids under 18. Some might like the idea of their teenage kids doing military service for a year or "compulsory volunteering" for a weekend once a month......and might like the idea of seeing less of their kids. Others might want to see more of them, might want them to focus on studies/work or might worry that it wasn't the right thing for their kids if they have mental health or social integration difficulties. Also, given how little attention most people pay to politics - and how everything is distorted by social media - a lot of people will just register "compulsory military service for young people". He wouldn't even vote for himself knowing his daughters would be in line for this.
Alf Bentley Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 40 minutes ago, Jattdogg said: He wouldn't even vote for himself knowing his daughters would be in line for this. If it ever came to it, I'm sure his daughters would be safely whisked off to a penthouse flat in California to pursue an internship with a hedge fund. More realistically, I presume he knows it's never going to happen and has just proposed it as a means of stemming the flow of Tory pensioner votes to Reform UK. 1
Daggers Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 49 minutes ago, Jattdogg said: He wouldn't even vote for himself knowing his daughters would be in line for this. Children of the rich are never in line for things like this. In Colombia there’s a ball system. One colour drawn out means you get out of it. Rich families buy those balls from the poor. Los ricos. Los ricos nunca cambian. 1
Footballwipe Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 (edited) I just find it incredible that the conservative party, the one of small government, wants to tell adults how they must spend their time aged 18-19. It's just amazing. Then again this is also targeted at the voters who hate any type of government interference unless it "benefits" them. I know every generation does it, but the way people go on you'd think that all young people were prim, proper and impeccably behaved up until 2003 or something. We all know that's just not the case. Just like the culture war nonsense, this is a policy that solves absolutely fvcking nothing. This country needs change and so much reform for essential services and functions and yet we're talking about making 18 year olds work with old people for a year cos it'll make them better people? Piss off. Edited 26 May 2024 by Footballwipe 2
Dunge Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 44 minutes ago, Footballwipe said: I just find it incredible that the conservative party, the one of small government, wants to tell adults how they must spend their time aged 18-19. It's just amazing. Then again this is also targeted at the voters who hate any type of government interference unless it "benefits" them. I know every generation does it, but the way people go on you'd think that all young people were prim, proper and impeccably behaved up until 2003 or something. We all know that's just not the case. Just like the culture war nonsense, this is a policy that solves absolutely fvcking nothing. This country needs change and so much reform for essential services and functions and yet we're talking about making 18 year olds work with old people for a year cos it'll make them better people? Piss off. There is a massive irony that the policy is effectively going to be aimed at libertarians, who should really be first in line to ideologically protest it. And then an even greater irony that they’ll probably back it because it’ll show those wokeflakes what’s what. 2
Zear0 Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 11 minutes ago, Dunge said: There is a massive irony that the policy is effectively going to be aimed at libertarians, who should really be first in line to ideologically protest it. And then an even greater irony that they’ll probably back it because it’ll show those wokeflakes what’s what. Greatest irony was him claiming it'll be paid for by clamping down on "tax evasion".
Dunge Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 19 minutes ago, Zear0 said: Greatest irony was him claiming it'll be paid for by clamping down on "tax evasion". Maybe sending tax evaders to volunteer a year in the military would be the compromise we could all agree upon. 1
Corky Posted 26 May 2024 Posted 26 May 2024 They can't be arsed anymore. I'm sure a few who believe national service should never have been abolished (whilst never needing to do it) will applaud it because the brats need to show respect or something but most will see it for the pointless exercise it is.
Lionator Posted 27 May 2024 Posted 27 May 2024 https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/27/india-elections-pm-narendra-modi-claims-he-has-been-chosen-by-god this guy is an absolute weapon, if Putin or Xi were saying these things, we’d be hiding in the bunkers by now.
fox_up_north Posted 27 May 2024 Posted 27 May 2024 Funnily enough, years ago I used to teach 16-19 year olds and every year one of the "controversial topics" we'd discuss was the idea of some sort of national service. By and large, they were generally in favour - IF everyone from top to bottom and rich to poor took part.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 27 May 2024 Author Posted 27 May 2024 2 hours ago, Lionator said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/27/india-elections-pm-narendra-modi-claims-he-has-been-chosen-by-god this guy is an absolute weapon, if Putin or Xi were saying these things, we’d be hiding in the bunkers by now. Surely he means chosen by gods?
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