Also In The News - part 3

[RobHawk]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Theresa May is not a centrist. 
 

She oversaw the deportation of people from green rush, she revoked the citizenship of people who’d lived in uk their whole life. Was a part of the home office that started the immigrant-scapegoating the Tories do now. She led the path towards hard Brexit when its been awful for the country and it still wasn’t enough for some Tories.

 

We shouldn’t forget all that. I’m not a Corbynite but I’d be very disappointed if someone like May was allowed in the Labour Party 

Look, I'm not fan of the t-bot, and I actually agree with your points BUT imo she's still probably closer to the labour party right now than she is the torys. 

 

For me, that's more of a comment on how far from center the torys are ATM. 

 

And it's still a HUGE statement for starmer if she does come over but I also understand people's concerns. Its surely just too big of a opportunity to turn down, if it is indeed May who they are speculating over

[Daggers]

2 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Rumoured to be T May. Not sure how I feel about it.

Feel happy, it absolutely isn't.

 

Think Essex MPs.

[Daggers]

It's clearly going to be a Bad Enoch/Field Marshall Penfold Francois ménage à deux.

[RoboFox]

32 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Feel happy, it absolutely isn't.

 

Think Essex MPs.

Mark Francois? 

 

Priti Patel?  

[Legend_in_blue]

The way in which Sunak conducted his business on Monday, putting the fate of the security of the country up against Starmer, in some sort of attempt to stoke up project fear in 2024, will not wash with people.  Pure desperation.  He's finished.

[Sampson]

7 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

The way in which Sunak conducted his business on Monday, putting the fate of the security of the country up against Starmer, in some sort of attempt to stoke up project fear in 2024, will not wash with people.  Pure desperation.  He's finished.

I would like to agree with you, but it’s been working for about 10 years now. I don’t have faith that a large proportion of the population won’t still fall for it.

 

I did laugh at his “the next 5 years will more dangerous than the last 30” though. Yeah, who do you think has been in government for the past 14 years sowing division anywhere they can to cause that?

[Daggers]

16 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

The way in which Sunak conducted his business on Monday, putting the fate of the security of the country up against Starmer, in some sort of attempt to stoke up project fear in 2024, will not wash with people.  Pure desperation.  He's finished.

It's OK. Following his seventh reboot focussing on security - in the week where they breached data security and let prisoners go free - he can have an eighth reboot of what a Sunak party stands for. Maybe he could go all in on lanyards seeing as that pissed on any message he was trying to get out yesterday and today.

[bovril]

11 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I would like to agree with you, but it’s been working for about 10 years now. I don’t have faith that a large proportion of the population won’t still fall for it.

 

I did laugh at his “the next 5 years will more dangerous than the last 30” though. Yeah, who do you think has been in government for the past 14 years sowing division anywhere they can to cause that?

I realise we're all scarred from the last decade and a half but they're not going to win the next election. People are worried that if they get sick they won't be able to get treatment. People can't afford groceries or medicine for their kids. And the government can't get out of it by promising to leave the EU (already tried it) or cut immigration (not happening). They're toast. They will spend the next few months salting the earth for the incoming Labour government. 

[Sampson]

Only feels like yesterday people were still talking about “the long peace” and “the end of history”. Feels like all that is the fantasy world of the 90s and 00s now.

[MPH]

7 hours ago, bovril said:

I realise we're all scarred from the last decade and a half but they're not going to win the next election. People are worried that if they get sick they won't be able to get treatment. People can't afford groceries or medicine for their kids. And the government can't get out of it by promising to leave the EU (already tried it) or cut immigration (not happening). They're toast. They will spend the next few months salting the earth for the incoming Labour government. 

 

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I have yet to here or see a plausible way out of this mess from Labour.. it’s going to take a lot of money to fix what needs fixing but, where is it all going to come from?

 

I’ll add, just declaring “ tax the rich” ( to the extent we would need to for the amount that is needed) is a bit naive and not very workable..

Edited 16 May 2024 by MPH

[Trav Le Bleu]

7 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I have yet to here or see a plausible way out of this mess from Labour.. it’s going to take a lot of money to fix what needs fixing but, where is it all going to come from?

 

I’ll add, just declaring “ tax the rich” ( to the extent we would need to for the amount that is needed) is a bit naive and not very workable..

The rich are very "mobile'.

[Sampson]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I have yet to here or see a plausible way out of this mess from Labour.. it’s going to take a lot of money to fix what needs fixing but, where is it all going to come from?

 

I’ll add, just declaring “ tax the rich” ( to the extent we would need to for the amount that is needed) is a bit naive and not very workable..

Here’s an idea - the world’s biggest trading block is right on our doorstep and countries historically get a huge boost of up to 20% to their economy for the first few years. How about we try and join it?

[Jon the Hat]

8 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I have yet to here or see a plausible way out of this mess from Labour.. it’s going to take a lot of money to fix what needs fixing but, where is it all going to come from?

 

I’ll add, just declaring “ tax the rich” ( to the extent we would need to for the amount that is needed) is a bit naive and not very workable..

They will tax everyone more.  No other solution without ripping up the funding models, especially for aged care and NHS.

[Daggers]

9 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I’ll add, just declaring “ tax the rich” ( to the extent we would need to for the amount that is needed) is a bit naive and not very workable..

Someone should tell Belgium, Finland, Sweden, Japan, Denmark and France. 

Imagine running successful economies and no one letting them know what a mistake they were making by implementing high tax bands on the rich. What idiots they are. 

[The Doctor]

9 hours ago, MPH said:

 

I agree with everything you are saying here, but I have yet to here or see a plausible way out of this mess from Labour.. it’s going to take a lot of money to fix what needs fixing but, where is it all going to come from?

 

I’ll add, just declaring “ tax the rich” ( to the extent we would need to for the amount that is needed) is a bit naive and not very workable..

I would like to propose my new economic theory. it's called pinata economics. very simple, we beat the rich with sticks until the money falls out of them

[st albans fox]

16 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I would like to propose my new economic theory. it's called pinata economics. very simple, we beat the rich with sticks until the money falls out of them

Are you a real doctor ?

[David Hankey]

21 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I would like to propose my new economic theory. it's called pinata economics. very simple, we beat the rich with sticks until the money falls out of them

I hope you never get rich.

[MPH]

41 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Someone should tell Belgium, Finland, Sweden, Japan, Denmark and France. 

Imagine running successful economies and no one letting them know what a mistake they were making by implementing high tax bands on the rich. What idiots they are. 

I think you missed what I was trying to say. That being with the amount of money that is needed to get us out of this mess we are in just simply ‘taxing the rich’ isn’t going to bring in enough money. 
 

Denmark is definitely I model worth following, but just upping the tax band to the level they use without proportional wage rises to compensate, it’s just not workable. We would see a huge rise in the cost of living a cross the board and this would hit those who definitely don’t need the cost of living to rise even another penny.

[MPH]

36 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

I would like to propose my new economic theory. it's called pinata economics. very simple, we beat the rich with sticks until the money falls out of them

 

theyd probably get more money from  squeezing their employees more and by raising the costs of whatever their companies sell.

 

 

 

my point really is that looking at the models of how other countries do things, with higher tax bands for the rich can be the aim, but we can’t just elect a new government and expect us to get to that place. It has to be a sustainable progressive transition. Taxing large corporate owners even more, in the short term, will only result in increased costs ( they’ll want to keep their profit margins) without an increase in wages  and that’s not what the average guy on the streets  needs right now.  It’s working in places like Denmark  et all because it’s happened  over a span of time that’s allowed the rest of the economy to move with it.

 

Handled wrongly, and suddenly Labour will be the band guys for crashing the economy and in 4 years here come ‘ new progressive Tories’ promising to fix the economy and people believing them.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, David Hankey said:

I hope you never get rich.

would you like a humour transplant? low rates with the Hollywood upstairs medical college certificate of approval 

[foxy boxing]

1 hour ago, David Hankey said:

I hope you never get rich.

The facts are the wealthy and the filthy rich are always looking for ways not to pay their fair share of tax. If they all did there would be no need for spending cuts and cuts to public services. Everyone should pay their way but there are those that break/ bend the rules to avoid paying less tax and it is mostly the wealthy and privileged.

[Sampson]

Can we just give the chimpanzees a go at running Earth instead? Humans have clearly ****ed it. 

[Tommy G]

6,500 teachers....good luck with that, noone wants to work in the profession and the pay is garbage. 

[st albans fox]

42 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

The facts are the wealthy and the filthy rich are always looking for ways not to pay their fair share of tax. If they all did there would be no need for spending cuts and cuts to public services. Everyone should pay their way but there are those that break/ bend the rules to avoid paying less tax and it is mostly the wealthy and privileged.

Define wealthy ?

 

[MPH]

9 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

6,500 teachers....good luck with that, noone wants to work in the profession and the pay is garbage. 

 

 

Its good to see he is talking about 'a decade of national renewal' and i hope this is something that everyone in the labour party, especially the economists understand, that what has been undone in 14 years cant be fixed over night. But yeah the 6,500 teachers, i dont think hes saying that they'll all be hired in the first year or two, but he's saying things like that will take a decade to fix, and i at least respect him for that..