Domestic Football is being squeezed out.

[Pliskin]

By 2030 football will be more like the NFL I think. 
 

The super league is inevitable, at some stage there will be an NFL style league housing the worlds “best” teams. The previous super league was just to test the water in my opinion, and with the gulf nations and America becoming more prevalent within our leagues, it’s only a matter of time before it happens with the money available.  
 

It won’t remain the same forever and major changes are bound to happen at some point. I bet the same things were being said following the premier leagues inception?

[lcfc278]

1 minute ago, Pliskin said:

By 2030 football will be more like the NFL I think. 
 

The super league is inevitable, at some stage there will be an NFL style league housing the worlds “best” teams. The previous super league was just to test the water in my opinion, and with the gulf nations and America becoming more prevalent within our leagues, it’s only a matter of time before it happens with the money available.  
 

It won’t remain the same forever and major changes are bound to happen at some point. I bet the same things were being said following the premier leagues inception?

I doubt it, the PL was essentially a glorified rebrand of an existing league, admittedly it pumped a lot of money in to teams with the new TV deal from Sky, but essentially it didn't destroy English football. There's teams who were in the PL for the first few years that aren't now and vice versa.

 

An NFL-style European Super League will be the end of the English game as we know it, it will become a closed-shop, there will never be an even playing field again as teams with money now will never be caught up with financially. If it does happen you'll have 2 factions, those following the mickey-mouse super league football and those following all of the other English teams minus the clown show hopefully.

[Gamble92]

The 2 extra champions league 'league phase' games are really awkardly planted in January too. Before you'd have the group done by Christmas and then the knockout draw. It's all about greed. It will dilute it and make it less enjoyable but hey there's about £4m extra for each team. That's what counts.

 

The more money is the incentive, the more they lose what makes football great. If they keep pushing for more and more they'll realise one day they don't have the same product to sell any more. 

 

 

[davieG]

The Gulf Nations will want to set up their own World Super league as they and others have done in other Sports. It'll be down to how FIFA and UEFA respond and as those two are battling each other for supremacy and seemingly hate each other I can't see them having a combined opposition and strength to compete against the richer Gulf Nations.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, filbertway said:

This did occur to me after suggesting it. Nobody wants to watch Man U v Scarborough, but everyone wants to watch Scarborough v Man U.

 

However hosting that game at home is probably worth 100k max (with the majority coming from TV). You play Man U away, you're probably looking at at least 500k if not more.

 

For the clubs it's winning the lottery, however it will remove one of the main things that actually makes the competition great. 

Plus Scarborough seeing their team at Old Trafford. Eliminates this possibility if you introduce this.

 

I'm hesitant to compromise at all because this constant compromise has over time contributed to the imbalance we see in the game today. But if I did, I would scrap replays if the two teams are in the same league. Frankly nobody wants a replay against a team they're playing in the league already. Could you be arsed playing Middlesbrough a fourth time. Settle that on the day.

[RonnieTodger]

Absolute shit. The two legged semi finals are great. 

[fuchsntf]

9 hours ago, Sly said:

I’d keep it the same personally. 
 

The elite squad have reserve players that all levels above non league. They’ve been hoovering up talent for years.
 

If anything it enhances the chances of giant killing though, which is good for the game. 
 

 

This type of post, is for me hitting the correct notes,that All people conveniently miss…

All PL top clubs,have their 28 players plus quality cache of Academy & U21s…

 

Often theoretically capable of fielding 3 different high quality secelections,over any given…

2 game week, 6 game month,over long periods. 
No reason to accompany their type of struggles…which are small compared,with any club

down the leagues & chain,below bottom top 12 of the PL..

Other countries fair maybe better or worse according to their own club,& their FAs in built organisational /financial securities,

and triggers.

 

I believe we played Man.city more times in QFs only a few years ago…Though Foxes fans,we’re too ready to moan about our

incompetence of commitment or star showing in these games…Those selected  MC sides ( plus other top clubs),(2-3rd choice)

were despite our jump in improvement…they were alround better than us…it was no coincidence we stumbled at those moments…

 

Depends on small clubs approach and a type of balanced greed & keeping to the romance of the game…

I Would do What they do in Germany…In all  cup competitions, the lower drawn club in a tie,gets automatically home advantage,

if not in the same league…

[davieG]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

This type of post, is for me hitting the correct notes,that All people conveniently miss…

All PL top clubs,have their 28 players plus quality cache of Academy & U21s…

 

Often theoretically capable of fielding 3 different high quality secelections,over any given…

2 game week, 6 game month,over long periods. 
No reason to accompany their type of struggles…which are small compared,with any club

down the leagues & chain,below bottom top 12 of the PL..

Other countries fair maybe better or worse according to their own club,& their FAs in built organisational /financial securities,

and triggers.

 

I believe we played Man.city more times in QFs only a few years ago…Though Foxes fans,we’re too ready to moan about our

incompetence of commitment or star showing in these games…Those selected  MC sides ( plus other top clubs),(2-3rd choice)

were despite our jump in improvement…they were alround better than us…it was no coincidence we stumbled at those moments…

 

Depends on small clubs approach and a type of balanced greed & keeping to the romance of the game…

I Would do What they do in Germany…In all  cup competitions, the lower drawn club in a tie,gets automatically home advantage,

if not in the same league…

I think in this instance it's less about having enough players with out over playing them, they have shown they don't care about that but having sufficient dates to fit it all in and we know that FIFA and UEFA have the power over the FA and EFL so their competitions are the ones that are continually sacrificed.

[MPH]

5 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

I don't disagree but how many teams does that occur within the third round? Be lucky if we get one occasion every year. The immediate thoughts of Exeter and Burton at Man U are a decent time ago now. 

 

Instead you have a load of poorly attended games on a January midweek - not every lower league team are lucky enough to get a decent draw. I'd imagine league 1/2 clubs lose money if they were to host a replay against most teams outside of the PL. Give you an example for the 4th Qualifying Round, I bet Chelmsford lost money from their trip up to Whitby in the week for their replay. 

 

Easy to get into the romance etc. but look at the replays from last year in the Third Round. 

 

WBA 4-0 Chesterfield - 12,638 - worth mentioning if it the original game went to extra time, Chesterfield were in a strong position. 

Accrington Stanley 1-0 Boreham Wood - 1,940

Wigan 1-2 Luton - 5,668 

Wolves 0-1 Liverpool - 30,948 

Swansea 1-2 Bristol City - 10,030

Leeds 5-2 Cardiff - 34,465 

 

Let's face it if the money was really there - especially seen the gate receipts rule change, the clubs would be putting up more of a fight. 

 

You forget as well for the lower league clubs - Christmas/New Year is their busy time of the year too and combined with call-offs/pitch maintenance, it's a run on their players as well. 

 

 

 

 

Well it wont happen at all if its scrapped will it? They are planning on scrapping 4th round replays too.

 

 

Maybe if they are concerned about too much football they should stop expanding the Euro competitions that the top clubs get into instead of  the games that can change the trajectory  of the small clubs for a couple of seasons...

Edited 20 October 2023 by MPH

[BKLFox]

On the money side i guess the pyramid funding down to the lower leagues has been boosted & therefore those smaller clubs don't have to rely on ticket receipts by taking a Prem club to a replay at the prem ground which historically was their 'money shot'.
What is lost is the romance of the big day out for the club, players, fans & that really is the shame in all this.

[Pita]

Leaving as it is and let the smaller clubs make some money and a name for themselves 

[Winchesterfox]

7 hours ago, Pliskin said:

By 2030 football will be more like the NFL I think. 
 

The super league is inevitable, at some stage there will be an NFL style league housing the worlds “best” teams. The previous super league was just to test the water in my opinion, and with the gulf nations and America becoming more prevalent within our leagues, it’s only a matter of time before it happens with the money available.  
 

It won’t remain the same forever and major changes are bound to happen at some point. I bet the same things were being said following the premier leagues inception?

The super league may happen but it isn't inevitable for the same reason it failed last time.  Most fans don't want it, and so governments just need to threaten to legislate against it to kill it.  

 

[Chrysalis]

Complete nonsense move, the clubs moaning about this also have squads they can utilise for games they feel are too much for them.  Its a squad game, and they have forgotten that.

[Corky]

All for the benefit of six clubs. Ridiculous.

[ajthefox]

Real shame this, and so ridiculous that replays are being axed at the expense of more European games that nobody is asking for.

 

Replays are part of the history and the tradition of the FA Cup and this is just another cynical money grabbing swipe at that in favour of ££££££ 

[davieG]

4 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Real shame this, and so ridiculous that replays are being axed at the expense of more European games that nobody is asking for.

 

Replays are part of the history and the tradition of the FA Cup and this is just another cynical money grabbing swipe at that in favour of ££££££ 

..and it’s more £££££ going to the rich European clubs who’ll inevitably be involved in more European matches.

[Leicesterpool]

Football is moved and changed to suit the top six. Everyone else in the football system just seem to make the numbers. I'm pretty share most football fans love the prospect of the replays the idea of non league club holding a premier club in 90 minutes get another bite of the cherry by having a replay. Which means more money for the lower league club and possible tv revenues from that. What we are seeing is just make sure the top six clubs are looked after, make sure 4 of the big six reach the semi finals. 

[ParkerPen]

Money Talks

[Nod.E]

While it is about money, there is an element of democracy here, perhaps surprisingly.

 

Being on a team's forum isn't going to be a representation of the full pie of football fans. 

 

Casual fans will represent a larger number than dedicated fans, and I don't think casuals are tuning in to midweek domestic replays.

 

I mean, I don't and I wouldn't call myself a casual fan.

 

Understand that small clubs lose out but I'm struggling to find any other losers here.

 

Also, I can't help but feel the League Cup, for example, has lost its appeal a little. Would a league cup played between clubs excluding the top X number of clubs have more appeal? I think it probably would. Your Championship and League One sides have a much bigger chance of winning a more prestigious trophy which makes for a more interesting spectacle.

 

I do agree that any progress towards anything representing NFL/Super League should be concerning for English football fans, but I'm not sure that's what this represents.

 

I'd like to think there is too much money and prestige in the existing set up for a breakaway super league to ever form. You've got to think as well that unlike with golf's LIV, it's not as easy as convincing individuals to move over. You have clubs with boards, and more importantly fans who would fiercely oppose such a move.

 

So it becomes a question of whether clubs would be happy to leave their fans and established competition behind for more money. I'd call that a risky move. No guarantee the new league succeeds, and at some level at least the fans *are* the club.

 

In saying all of that, when you consider where we are thanks to FFP, it's as good as a closed shop anyway. Will the EPL/football league proposition start to feel like the League Cup if it doesn't already? Will it be more entertaining as a fan of a club outside the top 6 to feel like you can 'win football' by topping the English league system? The response from other fans when we won the thing would suggest to me it would. 

[mozartfox]

I can see qualification for the Bass Shield being binned off.  This will harm Derby big time. Get it done.

[davieG]

2 hours ago, Nod.E said:

While it is about money, there is an element of democracy here, perhaps surprisingly.

 

Being on a team's forum isn't going to be a representation of the full pie of football fans. 

 

Casual fans will represent a larger number than dedicated fans, and I don't think casuals are tuning in to midweek domestic replays.

 

I mean, I don't and I wouldn't call myself a casual fan.

 

Understand that small clubs lose out but I'm struggling to find any other losers here.

 

Also, I can't help but feel the League Cup, for example, has lost its appeal a little. Would a league cup played between clubs excluding the top X number of clubs have more appeal? I think it probably would. Your Championship and League One sides have a much bigger chance of winning a more prestigious trophy which makes for a more interesting spectacle.

 

I do agree that any progress towards anything representing NFL/Super League should be concerning for English football fans, but I'm not sure that's what this represents.

 

I'd like to think there is too much money and prestige in the existing set up for a breakaway super league to ever form. You've got to think as well that unlike with golf's LIV, it's not as easy as convincing individuals to move over. You have clubs with boards, and more importantly fans who would fiercely oppose such a move.

 

So it becomes a question of whether clubs would be happy to leave their fans and established competition behind for more money. I'd call that a risky move. No guarantee the new league succeeds, and at some level at least the fans *are* the club.

 

In saying all of that, when you consider where we are thanks to FFP, it's as good as a closed shop anyway. Will the EPL/football league proposition start to feel like the League Cup if it doesn't already? Will it be more entertaining as a fan of a club outside the top 6 to feel like you can 'win football' by topping the English league system? The response from other fans when we won the thing would suggest to me it would. 

If there were no top x number in the League cup it would lose it's entry to the Europa League at best it would be demoted to the Conference 

As for the Super League I don't believe there was any thought by the participants of leaving their domestic leagues this was as well as and probably in place of one or more of UEFAs competitions.