Late goals.

[Reginaldo]

8 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

He doesn't trust his bench. And let's be honest would you ? Last night there was no one on that bench that deserved to play because they were in form. No one where you would say oh it's harsh he has been left out. 

 

Hopefully a few will step in at the weekend and impress because currently I would only trust our starting 11. 

Agree 100% 

[foxinsocks]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

Its football, if you are only a goal up with a few minutes to go the opposition will go for it.  Sometimes it will work.  Even against Man City.

So get ready for it and take the heat from the game.

Edited 23 January 2024 by foxinsocks

[goose2010]

4 minutes ago, Lionator said:

part of that is due to the absences though. Say Daka will start when he comes back, Sensi comes in and Fatawu is back fit, you can bring on Cannon, Vardy, Mcateer, Yunus, Iheanacho. 
 

Although all we needed last night was legs not ability as it was our press which got us in a good position and closed Ipswich off. 

Yeah I totally agree the players we are missing (wilf, daka, fatawu) do challenge the first team but the others don't for me currently.

 

We were leggy in midfield and really the only thing you could have done is brought Doyle in and pushed Hamza inside but not sure who you bring off then probably Ricardo but not sure that really changes anything. 

 

 

[Fox92]

7 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Dont sit on 1 nil'ers and you wont have to worry as much.

We seem to be content on doing this which is a worry.

[Phenom]

34 minutes ago, goose2010 said:

He doesn't trust his bench. And let's be honest would you ? Last night there was no one on that bench that deserved to play because they were in form. No one where you would say oh it's harsh he has been left out. 

 

Hopefully a few will step in at the weekend and impress because currently I would only trust our starting 11. 

Even so, it’s one of the best benches in the division, maybe the best. 

[Nod.E]

4 hours ago, The_77 said:

It’s a big chunk but we also score plenty of late goals. 
https://www.soccerstats.com/table.asp?league=england2&tid=j

We’re the only side in the division to have a positive goal difference in every 10-minute segment.
 

Tonight stunk, we had plenty of opportunities to kill the game but let it slip out of our hands. We’ve mismanaged and been unlucky late in a few games but we haven’t capitulated. 
 

There are so many fans who can’t let themselves be happy or enjoy anything anymore and need to make this more of an issue than it really is. 

Big difference between first quarter of season and second quarter though, I bet.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 hours ago, Aleksz said:

Sheffield Wednesday was scandalous. But it’s took Ipswich two deflected goals, Coventry playing against 10 men, and Boro scoring a worldie of a free kick. 
 

And as the above poster says you take your chances and they don’t matter. 
 

I’m not too worried about it. Game is the game - we were all told and telling ourselves how crazy this league can be.

Exactly this. We can’t stop teams completely, and occasionally this will happen. All it takes is a cross or high ball into the box and we don’t get first contact. It happens. It happens to the Man City’s of this world, and it’s happened to us a few times. No surprise really.

 

I think people need reminding we are 7 points clear of 2, and 8 clear of 3rd. Yes the gap was bigger a month ago, but prior to that the gap was shorter as well. Just the natural ebb and flow and flux of football. People really need to stop panicking. 

[Nod.E]

33 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We seem to be content on doing this which is a worry.

Agree. People have said we still had chances, but they came out of nothing. They weren't a product of the football we were playing. They came from the ball breaking to us and a bit of individual quality. 

 

The body language and tempo of play as we approached minute 70 told me everything I needed to know last night. 

 

Most annoyed because I saw it coming and even thought to chuck money on Ipswich to score next, but for some unknown reason I didn't do it.

[Lionator]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Exactly this. We can’t stop teams completely, and occasionally this will happen. All it takes is a cross or high ball into the box and we don’t get first contact. It happens. It happens to the Man City’s of this world, and it’s happened to us a few times. No surprise really.

 

I think people need reminding we are 7 points clear of 2, and 8 clear of 3rd. Yes the gap was bigger a month ago, but prior to that the gap was shorter as well. Just the natural ebb and flow and flux of football. People really need to stop panicking. 

Last time we had a blip, we got a nice run of fixtures and got 12/12. No reason why we can’t do that again here. 

[goose2010]

34 minutes ago, Phenom said:

Even so, it’s one of the best benches in the division, maybe the best. 

Is it? A player is only as good as the manager thinks he is. If he doesn't trust them they may as well not be there. 

[AKCJ]

Think the major issue is the lack of depth in the squad.

 

Other Championship fans look at the names we have on the bench and think we've got some sort of super squad but look at the difference between our bench and Ispwich's last night.

 

Who on our bench has a point to prove or has a desperation to be in the starting 11 each week? I don't think we've got anyone that wants to take their spot for their own.

 

Granted our first 11 has been superb but beyond that it's slim, slim pickings.

 

Compare with Ipswich and it felt like every one of their subs was pissed off they didn't start the game and wanted to prove that they should have done.

 

[AKCJ]

45 minutes ago, Phenom said:

Even so, it’s one of the best benches in the division, maybe the best. 

Only on paper or by former reputation. The way I look at it is that anyone on the bench is either past it, doesn't care or is an academy lad there to fill numbers when he should be on loan.

[Nod.E]

15 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Last time we had a blip, we got a nice run of fixtures and got 12/12. No reason why we can’t do that again here. 

I'm confident we will. 

 

I think people are worried most about this rearing its head next season more than anything else. 

 

Yes we'll have different players, but we'll have the same manager and that's the route of it all. 

 

Add to that the idea that there will be more tight games in the Prem, it's cause for concern. Would be nice to see us work on it and become more comfortable with a slender lead this season.

 

I understand teams will attack when they're in the game, but there are moves we can take to;

 

a) disrupt their flow

b) maintain a threat

c) panic less

d) keep playing for longer

 

I don't think the people that talk about an inevitable fight back expect all out attack from around the 65th/70th minute, but that's what we invite at the moment. We play half the second half like it's the final 10 minutes, so it's no surprise we're being beaten down eventually.

Edited 23 January 2024 by Nod.E

[Sunbury Fox]

Obviously we're going to let in the odd late goal but in the table above it is interesting to see that only 4 teams have conceded more than us in the last 10 minutes of games. Moreover, all of the goals we've conceded in that period have come in the last 13 games, which is a worrying trend given that we didn't concede a single goal in minutes 80-90 in the first 15 games. I had thought that our possession based game was all about wearing teams down so how is this happening so often now?

[VictorFox]

At least we won’t have to worry about hanging on to 1-0 leads next season

[Raj]

I'm not a stat man, but how many late goals (Apart from the WBA game i attended) have WE had??

That for me would be a worrying thing that we are not able to get late goals- says alot about mentality.

[sm1]

15 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Obviously we're going to let in the odd late goal but in the table above it is interesting to see that only 4 teams have conceded more than us in the last 10 minutes of games. Moreover, all of the goals we've conceded in that period have come in the last 13 games, which is a worrying trend given that we didn't concede a single goal in minutes 80-90 in the first 15 games. I had thought that our possession based game was all about wearing teams down so how is this happening so often now?

Its a worrying trend, about 40% of goals we've conceded have been in the last 10mins. I think the Ipswich game is the perfect example why. They sat back, let us have the ball and we looked great. Second half, they started pressing us high and we were all over the place. More and more teams are pressing us high, unlike early in the season, and all of a sudden Faes and Vesty look vulnerable. 

[davieG]

50 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

I had thought that our possession based game was all about wearing teams down so how is this happening so often now?

Maybe because we are worn down so many of this team have played a lot of games and it's seemingly getting worse what with the African and Asian tournaments, injuries and recalls.

[Matt]

LCFC have conceded late in each of the last five games they haven’t won.

 

Boro (a): 83

Sheff Wed (a): 90+3

Ipswich (a): 90+3

Coventry (a): 79, 88, 90+4

Ipswich (h): 89

 

10 points dropped in the last 10 minutes of those games.

[goose2010]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

LCFC have conceded late in each of the last five games they haven’t won.

 

Boro (a): 83

Sheff Wed (a): 90+3

Ipswich (a): 90+3

Coventry (a): 79, 88, 90+4

Ipswich (h): 89

 

10 points dropped in the last 10 minutes of those games.

how many points  have we won from scoring in the last ten minutes though? 

 

Without looking into it off the top of my head you have

Cov (h) +2 points

Cardiff (h) +2

QPR (A) +2

West Brom (A) +2

Rotherham (A) +2 

 

Think i am right in saying that we didn't concede a goal in the last 10 minutes until the boro game. 

 

This season for every negative there is likely to be a positive so its not worth looking for doom and gloom. 

 

 

[Lad1966]

In most of these games, goals came from a shot from outside the box. In all of the games, except cov, we should have killed the game off, we weren’t clinical enough. That’s the real problem for me.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

LCFC have conceded late in each of the last five games they haven’t won.

 

Boro (a): 83

Sheff Wed (a): 90+3

Ipswich (a): 90+3

Coventry (a): 79, 88, 90+4

Ipswich (h): 89

 

10 points dropped in the last 10 minutes of those games.

That is horrific. How have we gone from being so good in the last 15/20 to so bad?

Edited 23 January 2024 by Sol thewall Bamba

[RonnieTodger]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

I'm not a stat man, but how many late goals (Apart from the WBA game i attended) have WE had??

That for me would be a worrying thing that we are not able to get late goals- says alot about mentality.

We’ve scored a lot when the game is already done. Off the top of my head, the important ones we’ve scored were:

 

KDH v Coventry

Casadei v Cardiff

Winks v WBA

McAteer v Rotherham was late-ish. 

[AKCJ]

2 hours ago, Raj said:

I'm not a stat man, but how many late goals (Apart from the WBA game i attended) have WE had??

That for me would be a worrying thing that we are not able to get late goals- says alot about mentality.

League high 17 goals scored after 75th minute.

 

https://www.soccerstats.com/timing.asp?league=england2

[whoareyaaa]

If a team is losing 1 nil they are going to throw as many men forward in the last 5 minutes and as we pass it around it’s a lot of pressure on the back line and keeper.

 

maybe we should try and get it further upfield and out the danger zone if we are leading one nil with not long to go we are inviting pressure for no reason other than to stick to our style