Swansea (H) Post-Match Thread

[DerbyshireFox]

Comfortable, could have been six or seven without playing particularly well. Probably says more about the quality of the opposition. I can see why he’d like to bring in someone like Sensi. Some of the runs KDH and Daka were making, only for the ball to go backwards. Still feels very much a work in progress, but if/when we do go on to be promoted, serious work will be needed in the summer. Another 3 points closer to where we want to be. 

Edited 31 January 2024 by DerbyshireFox

[Lillehamring]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

The goal was Faes and Doyle's fault, poor marking.

Nah, it was way more than that - right from the start, they took it short and we only had mavididi (i think) covering - it was a train wreck.  Faes isn't as good as vesty playing in the middle. no one picks up the guy at the back post, even then we had chance to block it, clear it - anything.  it was all wrong, way more than just poor marking.

[Lillehamring]

3 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I’m pretty relieved we didn’t pay the 20m man city wanted in the summer. I really don’t see much between nelson and him 

he could have had two more assists if we had strikers who can finish

[gurru991]

1 hour ago, ozleicester said:

Did you switch it off at 85 mins and go out to the kitchen to beat the tea rush?

That is damn funny  !!

[bmt]

5 hours ago, Jakemoore said:

Watched on a stream with no sound the entire way through. Felt like I was there. 
 

Good win. 

[Pliskin]

Odd game. We seemed to just coast through most of it, and upped it when we needed to.

 

 

Most impressive thing about the game was Daka accidentally assisting two goals after an initial sublime one… he’s a bit like that one lad at school who joins in with the footie, can’t play at all, all arms and legs yet somehow manages to tackle anything and score about 100 goals a break time because balls just keep bouncing off him.

 

Thought Praet was dreadful, other than that everyone was fairly steady. 
 

It was a bit like going to Tesco to do your big shop, nothing exciting, forgot a few things so had to do a mad dash to grab them, and then just manage to get the job done. Wouldn’t say it was entertaining, but it’s 3 points.

[AmyLGK]

After the first 10 mins I thought "well, this is going to be 100 nil"... Then we stopped playing....

 

Like Dash from the Incredibles who has super speed but his dad tells him he can only win his school races by a bit to ensure no one finds out he's super human.... 

 

We're either ridiculously good and Enzo is like "don't let anyone know, just win by a bit"....

 

Or

 

Well, I've no idea! What is the game plan here! Why be able to cut through teams with such ease going forward but then forget they can do that and pass it around in defence and lose it so the other team has a chance to score 🤷‍♀️ maybe the games are just drill sessions and it'll all be sped up and be played properly in the prem 🤷‍♀️ I hope so, otherwise we're going to get destroyed in that league 🤦‍♀️

 

I'm so confused as a supporter right now! 10 points clear... Yet we can be quite shit! 🤣 I feel bipolar 🤣

Edited 31 January 2024 by AmyLGK

[Guppys Love Child]

8 hours ago, Pita said:

Teams have worked out our style of play and adjust to it. We need to mix it up more

Totally agree with you and with ARM1968's original post.

 

We are boring to watch,  but as soon as anyone voices that we get the following " but we're top of the table, but we are winning, but it's affective, blah blah blah", quite true, but that not the point of this post to debate that, it's to point out the 'snore fest' dished up for high percentages of every match. And wishing for a mix up in play 'ain't gonna happen' as Enzo is too stubborn to deviate from this / his  style of play.

 

IMO because of his reluctance to mix it up and his insistence of slow build up play from the back and the infuriating back passing just when it looks like we have gained a bit of ground too start the whole process again also contributes to our late conceding of goals, especially when we are protecting 1-0 leads and the opposition is 'going for it' in the last 10 mins.  It invites additional pressure. So mix it up, forget the possession to a degree and just get the ball up the other end.  Then start passing the hell out of it again and sending some of us to sleep, but at least it would be in a safer area than camped outside OUR 18yd box  and it would create a buffer zone of the rest of the pitch for when possession is lost.

[winteriscoming]

7 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Why would we stop playing out the back if we are winning? That part of the game won’t change. 
 

Strange night. 3 goals and a win, but poor game and largely poor performances all around. Really poor atmosphere. Probably my least favourite game of the season. 
 

 

We won’t. We get away with playing out from the back in this division because the majority of sides are so poor. Doing the same thing next season I don’t think we will get away with it. I see no evidence that Maresca will change and I think that will cost us next season. 

[RowlattsFox]

Score within 2 minutes yet still could've already been behind were it not for a strong Mads save. 

We tore through Swansea almost every time we tried to attack them. 

[Guppys Love Child]

3 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

We won’t. We get away with playing out from the back in this division because the majority of sides are so poor. Doing the same thing next season I don’t think we will get away with it. I see no evidence that Maresca will change and I think that will cost us next season. 

I fear you are right..

 

But I also think (and hope) the hierarchy have learnt from the 'odious little cretin Rodgers' tenure and won't allow another free fall to happen. A poor start, with a spell of continuous losses each week and chuck in a few cricket scores and Enzo will be gone.  ( I'm in no way wishing this to happen, I like him) But it's a results business and the club can't afford financially or desire another immediate relegation.

[teblin]

Could’ve and should’ve be 5 at least really comfortable.

 

it was dull at times, however mainly because Swansea still seemed to be playing for a draw even though they were losing.

Edited 31 January 2024 by teblin

[Jazzy_Jeff]

I concur that this style of play (with these players) will lead to issues in the premier league - if we get there

 

However I think Enzo is fully aware that need to improve the playing squad in order to compete. To play this way, we would need 4 or 5 new starters imo 

[teblin]

The leaving early thing puzzles me too. I just don’t get it. 82 mins people were getting up there still ended up being 14 mins left then. Makes no sense to me.

[Finnegan]

12 hours ago, filbertway said:

When you see how good Cannon is at actually shooting, Daka is miles off that.

 

I think we will have more chance of Cannon's movement improving than Daka being consistently good in front of goal.

 

 

 

@Ric Flair is spot on when he says a lot of Daka's problem is actually his balance.

 

When Daka is balanced and composed in front of goal I'd back him to finish consistently. I know people (including me) bang on about his hattrick in Russia so much it's basically a meme but in all three of those goals he was well set, ice cool, poised and just tucked them away off both feet. 

 

Equally goals spring to mind against Legia home, Everton home and Brighton away  that are extremely similar to his goals at Spartak not to mention Forest at home, a Vardyesque back heel, where he's been well balanced. 

 

But then he also seems to have these weird moments where he's sort of dribbling almost slightly away from goal or he's just miles off balance and swings his leg half at the ball and is having to hook it back. He's very much got an instep technique shooting and he's really accurate when he's set and it's really hideous when he's not and his general centre of gravity seems to be terrible. 

 

By contrast, you can see why Cannon draws comparisons to Nugent. He's very much got Nugent's centre of gravity, he always seems to be balanced and always seems to be set, gives him really consistent ball control. He's not Messi but he is still pretty sharp in possession and he's got a great technique for just drilling through the ball, makes him much better with a snap shot. 

 

End of the day, they're both excellent strikers for this level and I'm happy if either starts. I think Daka's pace gives the whole team an extra something. That's how many games so far that Daka has played and we've scored three or more? You can't keep putting that down to luck, we're consistently more productive and have consistently better output when he plays. 

 

Edited 31 January 2024 by Finnegan

[jonthefox]

I stayed till the bitter end against Ipswich and left on 91 minutes yesterday. I can conform it maked no difference to getting out the car park earlier etc. 

[Lutterworth Fox]

41 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

We won’t. We get away with playing out from the back in this division because the majority of sides are so poor. Doing the same thing next season I don’t think we will get away with it. I see no evidence that Maresca will change and I think that will cost us next season. 

Exactly this, if we continue with these tactics next season we'll get hammered every game.

[Wolfox]

9 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

It think with Doyle if we buy peole need to realise its about what he can become rather then what he is now.

 

Loads of potential.

 

Him and the Nelson in 2 to 3 years could be stellar.

If Vesty goes in the summer, I wonder if Nelson is the plan…?  
 

He’s clearly very good and would have enough suitors circling if we weren’t playing him…   Could be a question of play him or lose him?

[Tazfox]

I think a lot of people are confusing boring with bad.... 

 

We are an incredibly boring team to watch, we are however an incredibly good team for this league.

 

We never played particularly badly in any part of the game last night aside from the late goal maybe. What we did however was play in a non progressive way for large parts of the match, not bad just boring. 

[UniFox21]

Overheard someone shouting "watching this makes me sick it does" from somewhere in my block yesterday, did give me a good laugh.

 

 

[ARM1968]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

We won’t. We get away with playing out from the back in this division because the majority of sides are so poor. Doing the same thing next season I don’t think we will get away with it. I see no evidence that Maresca will change and I think that will cost us next season. 

It will cost us next season and likely him too. I’m all for having a vision, but the great managers have flexibility and know when to change it. In general our players and squad are far superior to those in this league and so it would be the perfect time to experiment with mixing it up. I doubt Enzo will. I have grave concerns for next season, but I guess winning the Championship again the year after ain’t so bad. 

[AKCJ]

We are ****ing boring once we've won a game. 3-0 up you'd like to see Enzo let the players have a bit of fun. Instead we go fully into sideways and backwards mode and it gets the crowd's back up.

[Foxdiamond]

17 league games remaining. Let's get promoted first without harping on about next season in the Premier League. By the way I don't think we are boring but I would rather be that than crap.

[Lionator]

First goal was a long way onside by the way.

[Lionator]

13 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

It will cost us next season and likely him too. I’m all for having a vision, but the great managers have flexibility and know when to change it. In general our players and squad are far superior to those in this league and so it would be the perfect time to experiment with mixing it up. I doubt Enzo will. I have grave concerns for next season, but I guess winning the Championship again the year after ain’t so bad. 

We will have better ball playing centre-backs next season. There is no way he starts off with Vestergaard at CB. Faes and Justin are good enough imo.