Finance over football

[broadstone fox]

How depressing has the modern era of football become.

We should be as a club be on the verge of a fantastic finalee of a season.  Potential title or promotion and maybe a cup final we all dream of

Instead the worry of points deduction , financial oblivion  and player sales because we have to comply with big six bias rules and regulations 

Trying to build a team is almost a non event 

Many fans of different clubs find the modern era boring and corrupt and are starting to turn their backs and support non league clubs because they say its proper football how it used to be

Lets hope that Top ,Whelen and Rudkin have a viable plan for the future of this club as they are only todays custodians

[Tuna]

Sat on their hands and allowed relegation to happen, that's where the blame lies.

[Lineker's Left Foot]

Football has been destroyed and sold

its soul to the devil.

 

I will always love my club, but with a young family, can’t afford to go anymore.  Amazed that we witnessed the PL title and Cup Final win but since it has seemed as a little bit of an anti climax.

 

Wish the Big Six would join their Super League and football can return to how it used to be for us.  Now I know why people follow more Non League teams now.

 

 

[MalletFox]

The 2 simply go hand in hand these days, whether that’s good or bad is subjective but it’s undeniable. Just like Everton, if we have breached FFP then we deserve to be punished, and people need to be held to account within the Club for not keeping us compliant with the rules …. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Will there actually be any accountability if we are found guilty? The fact we’ve potentially breached FFP, and still got relegated is a double kick between the legs and all the more embarrassing. Let’s hope it’s not true and/or can be resolved in the summer!

[Foxin_Mad]

26 minutes ago, Tuna said:

Sat on their hands and allowed relegation to happen, that's where the blame lies.

Did they though? Sack Rogers costs money, can't comply with the stupid rules, cant buy players, can't pay off players. FFP and PSR is a sack of shit. It's time ALL clubs boycot this big six loving/protection racket. This was done because of Leicester the big six don't want another disruptor. 

 

I'm no fan if Rudkin but I do some what think they risked trying to go up a level as fans expected, Brenda ****ed it up. 

[Foxin_Mad]

Just now, MalletFox said:

The 2 simply go hand in hand these days, whether that’s good or bad is subjective but it’s undeniable. Just like Everton, if we have breached FFP then we deserve to be punished, and people need to be held to account within the Club for not keeping us compliant with the rules …. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Will there actually be any accountability if we are found guilty? The fact we’ve potentially breached FFP, and still got relegated is a double kick between the legs and all the more embarrassing. Let’s hope it’s not true and/or can be resolved in the summer!

Can anyone meet the rules except the mega money big six though?...see the problem for smaller clubs. Can't buy players or you have to sell your best players. Cant grow your revenue unless you are better.  It's ****ing backwards. 

[BertFill]

44 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Can anyone meet the rules except the mega money big six though?

No. But that's the whole point. The greediest clubs are always looking for ways to try and make sure their slice of the pie is guaranteed.

[MalletFox]

51 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Can anyone meet the rules except the mega money big six though?...see the problem for smaller clubs. Can't buy players or you have to sell your best players. Cant grow your revenue unless you are better.  It's ****ing backwards. 

Completely agree mate, it’s a closed shop for the Big Boys as the less wealthy clubs have to feed off scraps, all it does is keep and grow a gap between the mega rich and the rest. Look at Newcastle, even with unlimited funds they are confined by what they can do … all it does is test club’s creativity with what margins they can gain through loopholes and promotes unethical behaviours to try and bridge gaps!

[Ricey]

We are in an era of VAR, FFP, P&S, points deductions, adjudication panels, appeals, lawyers…blah blah.

 

It’s depressing.

 

It’s greed, but there is also so much bad governance surrounding it all.

[bovril]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Did they though? Sack Rogers costs money, can't comply with the stupid rules, cant buy players, can't pay off players. FFP and PSR is a sack of shit. It's time ALL clubs boycot this big six loving/protection racket. This was done because of Leicester the big six don't want another disruptor. 

 

I'm no fan if Rudkin but I do some what think they risked trying to go up a level as fans expected, Brenda ****ed it up. 

I got the feeling this is why they didn't sack him

[Finn Claw II]

Asking clubs to live within their means is in principle entirely reasonable.  

imagine a wage cap or total team salary cap not fixed to club revenue but set in absolute terms.  Set it at the right level and the league would be really competitive 

 

[Corky]

2 minutes ago, Finn Claw II said:

Asking clubs to live within their means is in principle entirely reasonable.  

imagine a wage cap or total team salary cap not fixed to club revenue but set in absolute terms.  Set it at the right level and the league would be really competitive 

 

Exactly what they don't want.

[urban fox]

18 minutes ago, Finn Claw II said:

Asking clubs to live within their means is in principle entirely reasonable.  

imagine a wage cap or total team salary cap not fixed to club revenue but set in absolute terms.  Set it at the right level and the league would be really competitive 

 

Thing is, even with a salary cap, playing for one of the big clubs will attract better sponsorship deals etc for players so it only partly solves the issue. There are so many ways that the big clubs can manipulate how they pay their players (things like share options etc) but at least it would be step in the right direction.

[ozleicester]

Finance and greed have taken everything.

Ask a question about almost anything and if you dig, you will find that sharedholders, bankers and profiteers are the reason for it.

At a time in society when we were all told we would be rewtired at 50 and machines and robots would be doing all the work..instead we are convinced that our work is ourselves and those who wont or cant work are valueless.

The concept of shareholders and landlords who "earn" money for doing NOTHING... is the disaster and unless we change the system, the rest of our lives will be spent complianing about poor service, lack of resources and time because shareholder scum are taking every $ they can grab.

Unless the working class (yes, thats you) stand up and say enough... nothing changes

[urban.spaceman]

FANS need to be doing something about this.

 

They need to be educated and organised.

 

And they need to be petitioning the (next) government over reform.

 

First thing to start with is the TV deal with Sky.

 

It is anti-competitive, provably terrible for non-"big six" clubs and UK fans alike.

 

It has quitely literally created a cartel situation, whereby the Premier League (business owner) colluding with participants (the "big" clubs) and restricting access (via broadcasters) in order to restrain competition (the "other 14") and prices for consumers (us).

 

cartel

noun

a group of similar independent companies who join together to control prices and limit competition

 

Take away their oxygen as a first step.

 

This needs to be done.

[don_danbury]

3 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Did they though? Sack Rogers costs money, can't comply with the stupid rules, cant buy players, can't pay off players. FFP and PSR is a sack of shit. It's time ALL clubs boycot this big six loving/protection racket. This was done because of Leicester the big six don't want another disruptor. 

 

I'm no fan if Rudkin but I do some what think they risked trying to go up a level as fans expected, Brenda ****ed it up. 

that stupid contract they gave rodgers in that good run in 2019 was insane. 

[Sly]

Football in this country needs to sort itself out. 
 

However whilst the Premier Lesgue exists, it’s essentially the Super League with the amount of money it has compared to even the other top leagues in Europe.

 

They will never put a salary cap on players, as we would simply see the top players moving abroad where wages are unrestricted. Mbappe isn’t coming to Man City is he’s capped at £135k per week, where in Madrid he’s on £2,000,0000 per week! 
 

FFP or whatever we want to call it is basically a joke. If Jeff Besoz and Elon Musk were to buy us tomorrow and wanted to pump billions into our playing squad, they can’t ….. the stupid rules don’t allow them to.  However other clubs can spend millions due to how they’ve grown historically. The smaller clubs outside of the top 6 stand very little chance of catching up. 
 

The simple answer is secured bank accounts, where operating costs for your season are set aside prior to each season. I’m guessing many clubs don’t have £300m to put aside though. 

[Aus Fox]

8 hours ago, Tuna said:

Sat on their hands and allowed relegation to happen, that's where the blame lies.

The problem is much deeper than this I’m afraid, we didn’t necessarily sit on our hands, more had them tied behind our back.

Now, to get into a position where our hands were tied came about because of some poor signings and gambling to join that top 6/7 on a more permanent basis and ultimately failing.

We made massive mistakes along the way, and as we tried to dig our way out of it, we made more and more mistakes. Prime example of this was letting Kasper go, I believe he was among the highest earners at the club, so it brought our wage bill down significantly- the problem was then we didn’t have the on-field quality to replace him and I think failed to understand his impact off the field.

We had big earning players who were either injured or frozen out by the manager.

Looking from the outside, and with no real evidence of this other than what I see, hear and read - since we lost Vichai, there is no long term plan for the club. We seem to go from season to season making individual decisions, not looking at the implications long term, from signings, to communication, to offfield decision that have upset some loyal fans, we’re bouncing around with out a map hoping to fall into our destination.

One thing I’ll be really critical off the club for is there inability to get rid of the dead wood - this has been a problem for a long time and transcends managers, hinting at the problem being higher up.

Our club in the last 20 odd years has done it all, promotion, relegation, cup finals, highest highs lowest lows, we’ve built amazing squads and seen some of the greatest players in our clubs history on the field. I hope despite  all the finances and the like we’ve been able to enjoy the LCFC journey.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

It is depressing, but if FFP didn’t exist how sustainable are our finances on a Championship income/budget? Not very.

 

It is hard to see beyond the calamitous cock up of player recruitment and wage structure over the last few years. We paid players top whack who either weren’t up to that level, or those who were realised it wasn’t sustainable and have chosen the run down contracts crippling us financially - but then again it’s the person responsible for authorising signings and wages.

 

No way Vichai would have let this happen and let it spiral out of control. We were such a well run outfit with him in charge, and sadly those who took on top roles afterwards just have not had the vision and foresight.

[Sly]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

It is depressing, but if FFP didn’t exist how sustainable are our finances on a Championship income/budget? Not very.

 

It is hard to see beyond the calamitous cock up of player recruitment and wage structure over the last few years. We paid players top whack who either weren’t up to that level, or those who were realised it wasn’t sustainable and have chosen the run down contracts crippling us financially - but then again it’s the person responsible for authorising signings and wages.

 

No way Vichai would have let this happen and let it spiral out of control. We were such a well run outfit with him in charge, and sadly those who took on top roles afterwards just have not had the vision and foresight.

The same could be said about half the Premier League though. 
 

Football wages are arguably out of control. 
 

We shot for the Sky and missed when attempting to break into the top 4. 
 

Villa, Newcastle, Forest, Everton are all going to struggle. How many more are playing beyond the means? 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

43 minutes ago, Sly said:

The same could be said about half the Premier League though. 
 

Football wages are arguably out of control. 
 

We shot for the Sky and missed when attempting to break into the top 4. 
 

Villa, Newcastle, Forest, Everton are all going to struggle. How many more are playing beyond the means? 

Particularly Villa - they will surely need regular champions league income to underwrite their expenditure. Another ticking time bomb…

[Foxdiamond]

Laughable that the EFL were rapped over the knuckles by the independent body that said Leicester were within their rights to say no to the demand. Highlights the governing bodies in the game don't know their arse from their elbow. 

[Death by Football]

I find it depressing whenever we are looking at a new signing and we spend more time debating the impact of their wages and purchase fee on our FFP restrictions than we do discussing whether they’re any good. 
In theory FFP had the opportunity to rebase player and contract values at a lower/more sustainable level but in reality all it does is return us to the days where the big six clubs have absolute dominion again. 

[Lako42]

Football is ****ed beyond help, it's been obvious for years. 

 

It's all had an effect on fans on a matchday as well. 

 

Of course everyone moans about it and then gives Ted ****ing Boely £40 

[goose2010]

The premier league will eventually just be for the top earners, it is basically a corporate machine that has ripped its soul out.  Let's not kid ourselves here, the reason the Super League was never formed it is because it already exists, it is just played within a 38 game season. The only reason they wanted that super league is to get these big games played more often. More often = more money. 

 

Fan demographics have changed and no club in the top flight (and beyond) want the working class to be there. They want the high earners, the corporates and its basically turned into what they wanted. 

 

Football at the top level is built for TV and nothing else and that's why the big 6 are so protected, the global audience is ridiculous for the top games in the premier league and they have basically created this revenue monster.   

 

It's the reason nothing has happened for Man City, imagine if they stuck to their guns and chucked them down to league 1, they lose one of their biggest money spinners. 

 

They hated our fairy tail as it basically shown the big six up. Was no surprise a few years down the line they wanted to pull them away so it couldn't happen again. 

 

It is broken but only for the fans of the smaller clubs, for me its no surprise that non-league is on the up but then the issue you get is they start to chase the big time and usually implode. 

 

The whole model needs fixing but i don't think anyone within government care enough to do anything about it.