Finance over football

[Jazzy_Jeff]

12 hours ago, Tuna said:

Sat on their hands and allowed relegation to happen, that's where the blame lies.

Did they sit on their hands or where they distracted by the implications of breaking the financial rules? With no such worries, I’m sure we would have sacked BR after Brighton away and would have invested Fofana cash in the squad during the summer 

[foxile5]

11 hours ago, BertFill said:

No. But that's the whole point. The greediest clubs are always looking for ways to try and make sure their slice of the pie is guaranteed.

They're looking for a way to make the league less competitive and justify a renewed drive for a Super League. This is where all this leads inevitably. 

[The Doctor]

10 hours ago, Finn Claw II said:

Asking clubs to live within their means is in principle entirely reasonable.  

imagine a wage cap or total team salary cap not fixed to club revenue but set in absolute terms.  Set it at the right level and the league would be really competitive 

 

That's precisely why it doesn't exist. FFP and PSR are not about sustainability of clubs, if they were the mentalist that owns reading would have been stripped of his ownership under them yonks ago given he's driving them out of business, or Lai Guochuan would have been blocked from causing serious damage to west Brom by embezzling from them to prop up his other ventures. But they're allowed to continue, we're getting punished for trying to break up the big six, Newcastle (regardless of the ethics of their ownership) are blocked from investing to challenge. It's a protectionist racket because they "don't want too many Leicester City's"

[Sol thewall Bamba]

12 hours ago, broadstone fox said:

How depressing has the modern era of football become.

We should be as a club be on the verge of a fantastic finalee of a season.  Potential title or promotion and maybe a cup final we all dream of

Instead the worry of points deduction , financial oblivion  and player sales because we have to comply with big six bias rules and regulations 

Trying to build a team is almost a non event 

Many fans of different clubs find the modern era boring and corrupt and are starting to turn their backs and support non league clubs because they say its proper football how it used to be

Lets hope that Top ,Whelen and Rudkin have a viable plan for the future of this club as they are only todays custodians

Were you saying the same thing when Everton and Forest were the ones falling foul to the rules?

 

Or are you just now changing your tune becasue the same rules are being applied to us and you don't like it? 

[broadstone fox]

No one knows we have fallen foul of the rules yet. Just speculation and heresay. Just because percy the journalist says so. The clubs accounts are not out yet and he or the media are not privey to this information

All this is becoming a side show to what football is all about  and i hope it dosnt derail our promotion push or cup aspirations part of my original point.

Everton have now been found guilty of breaking the rules where we have found aloophole according to the media

[S1DDO]

This is why I don’t care whether we get promoted or not.

[Happy Fox]

Just now, S1DDO said:

This is why I don’t care whether we get promoted or not.

You should because if we are lumped in the championship we are going to stay here for the foreseeable future. Getting promoted is absolutely imperative.

[pkonline]

The only custodians of a football club are it's fans.

[pkonline]

I'm sure we'll look back in a few years and say this is probably the time the Premier League peaked - lots of fans are totally disinterested in the game.

 

It's all glitz and glamour.

Fans are increasingly priced out.

Players are more distant.

Clubs connect less with their community aside from token gestures.

The media outlets use fans/clubs as click bait for their own sakes.

It's even less likely anyone would do a Leicester and build success on sporting merit alone. 

Even smaller clubs that have 1 good season will often see their best players poached. Players and managers here today gone tomorrow.

 

The Premier League is now a global product, morphing into American franchise sport, and attracting franchise fans and franchise mentality.

[st albans fox]

Here’s a thought 

we get promoted 

we are subsequently found guilty of breaking EFL psr. 
 

they cannot sanction us with points so they fine us.

 

ipswich finish third and fail to get promoted via the play offs 

 

are Ipswich able to sue us for PL monies based on this ?  Perhaps this could be the reason why we were rumoured to have dropped our interest in taking Everton to court for damages?    Assuming we do go up I suggest we all get behind the team finishing third in the play offs !!!!!

[shen]

14 hours ago, MalletFox said:

The 2 simply go hand in hand these days, whether that’s good or bad is subjective but it’s undeniable. Just like Everton, if we have breached FFP then we deserve to be punished, and people need to be held to account within the Club for not keeping us compliant with the rules …. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Will there actually be any accountability if we are found guilty? The fact we’ve potentially breached FFP, and still got relegated is a double kick between the legs and all the more embarrassing. Let’s hope it’s not true and/or can be resolved in the summer!

IF is the key word here, even if you've already judged and placed accountability. Bit premature.

 

13 hours ago, Finn Claw II said:

Asking clubs to live within their means is in principle entirely reasonable.  

imagine a wage cap or total team salary cap not fixed to club revenue but set in absolute terms.  Set it at the right level and the league would be really competitive 

 

As already said, a salary cap would not suffice. There will be countless loopholes to circumvent it and the PL (and sponsors) wouldn't want to be less attractive to superstar players.

 

2 hours ago, goose2010 said:

They hated our fairy tail as it basically shown the big six up. Was no surprise a few years down the line they wanted to pull them away so it couldn't happen again. 

Did they though? For one it brought added media attention to the PL, but it also helps the PL to justify their current course when conceivably any club can win the whole thing. We effectively did the PL and the big 6 a favour by doing the seemingly impossible.

[CosbehFox]

There's lots of problems with FFP. 

 

But honestly I don't get the whole finance over football groan when I'd say 80% of LCFC fans take no issue to us going on respective spending sprees and widening the gap between us and other parts of the second tier. We have been part of the issue. 

Edited 7 March by CosbehFox

[Daggers]

Football won’t “sort itself out”.

 

The government won’t compel football to sort itself out. 
 

There is only one way to change the game: stop giving your money to them. 

 

Go non-league. https://nonleagueday.co.uk

[Nalis]

Some new chants for the modern day game

 

Your accounts

Your accounts 

Your accounts are fvckin shit....

 

Audit in the morning

You're getting audited in the moooorn-innnggg

 

Going concern, you'll never sing that

[orangecity23]

2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Some new chants for the modern day game

 

Your accounts

Your accounts 

Your accounts are fvckin shit....

 

Audit in the morning

You're getting audited in the moooorn-innnggg

 

Going concern, you'll never sing that

20 sponsors, 20 sponsors man Yanited

 

Only come to see Yaaaaanited ('s 237 million pound teamviewer sponsored kit, on a 100 million pound a year Adidas shirt), only come to see Yanited...

 

And for Liverpool fans

Du du du, **** the Tories (but American right wing republican billionaires running a hyper capitalist business stealing 16 year old children from rival clubs for profit is fine, as long as all our loyal fans from London/Wales/Ireland/Scotland/china who've never set foot in the city can see us winning)

 

You'll Nivea walk alone

[Foxin_Mad]

14 hours ago, don_danbury said:

that stupid contract they gave rodgers in that good run in 2019 was insane. 

Maybe it was but had Rodgers walked to Arsenal when we were peak Rodgersball at that point everyone would have criticised the owners for having no ambition, really cant win. 

Edited 7 March by Foxin_Mad

[pkonline]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Maybe it was but had Rodgers walked to Arsenal when we were peak Rodgersball at that point everyone would have criticised the owners for having no ambition, really can win. 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it!

[sylofox]

3 hours ago, pkonline said:

 managers here today gone tomorrow.

 

 

Fvcking shame Rodgers wasn't.

[Stadt]

We proved that with strong recruitment, the right people in the right seats that you don't have to spend silly amounts on wages to compete, then we started spending haphazardly on wages anyway  

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

We proved that with strong recruitment, the right people in the right seats that you don't have to spend silly amounts on wages to compete, then we started spending haphazardly on wages anyway  

Sadly I think the prudent spending went out the door as soon as Pearson and co left the club, they were the real drivers behind the sustainable setup that won the league. 

 

I think Rudkin is out of his depth. The club gambled on the wrong horse with the mortgage and the bet didnt come in. 

[Stadt]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Sadly I think the prudent spending went out the door as soon as Pearson and co left the club, they were the real drivers behind the sustainable setup that won the league. 

 

I think Rudkin is out of his depth. The club gambled on the wrong horse with the mortgage and the bet didnt come in. 

It was partly because we didn't have the means to spend big anyway, we splashed out (at the time) on Ulloa and Kramaric, I think Pearson would have pushed the boat out for the right players. However you do get the sense he'd have preferred to run lean recruitment anyway.

 

Brighton have proved they you can find undervalued players in the lesser scoured markets. Post-Puel/Macia our recruitment was a lot shallower and we've never really recovered. Fatawu was a great pick up though (expensive) so maybe there's green shoots.

[BertFill]

33 minutes ago, Stadt said:

We proved that with strong recruitment, the right people in the right seats that you don't have to spend silly amounts on wages to compete, then we started spending haphazardly on wages anyway  

Maybe. Or maybe we just got lucky with a few signings.

Who really knows? Given that Vardy got to the age he did before a league club signed him, and how ridiculously good he was, perhaps nobody really knows anything and it's all just luck.

[UniFox21]

We're getting to the point where football is more about spreadsheets and lawyers than the game itself 

[Lambert09]

17 hours ago, Finn Claw II said:

Asking clubs to live within their means is in principle entirely reasonable.  

imagine a wage cap or total team salary cap not fixed to club revenue but set in absolute terms.  Set it at the right level and the league would be really competitive 

 

you’re not wrong at all. What we were doing wasn’t at all sustainable. Seemed very much a success on the pitch at all costs.  That wasn’t a blow the division away to get promotion, that was an attempt to compete with 6 of the richest clubs in the world … for 4 spots.  Even if we’d got everything right, we’d still have been facing an uphill battle 

[Foxin_Mad]

I think that FFP being introduced during the peak covid years also seems probably one of the dumbest things ever. Its just a shit show designed by muppets.