Jordan Ayew (interest confirmed by Percy)

[Ric Flair]

He's also not coming here to be less of a contributor than he was at Palace, where he played most games. So where's him and Reid, another who wasn't leaving Fulham not to play, going to play? Mavididi and Fatawu will be on the bench far more than some of you presume.

 

[lcfc sheff]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's also not coming here to be less of a contributor than he was at Palace, where he played most games. So where's him and Reid, another who wasn't leaving Fulham not to play, going to play? Mavididi and Fatawu will be on the bench far more than some of you presume.

 

I can see mavididi being dropped at the start but certainly not fatawu 

[Nick]

I'm coming to terms with it. If he's being brought in as a squad/utility member forward/wing and he can play anywhere across a front 3 and is terrier-like in his approach then it is what it is.

[Lesta Legend]

3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's also not coming here to be less of a contributor than he was at Palace, where he played most games. So where's him and Reid, another who wasn't leaving Fulham not to play, going to play? Mavididi and Fatawu will be on the bench far more than some of you presume.

 

That’s a huge assumption on your part. 

[Ric Flair]

Just now, lcfc sheff said:

I can see mavididi being dropped at the start but certainly not fatawu 

Which is absolutely mental given he is one of very few goalscorers in this squad.

 

Cooper is making it very easy to absolutely detest him

[Babylon]

21 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

cottee was a proven goal scorer, Ayew is proven to be incapable of finding the net, not the same at all

It's exactly the same, we aren't buying Ayew to be a proven goalscorer, we're buying him to bring all the things the palace fans say he brought to their team. What their skill set is has little to do with it. Cottee was seen as ancient then at 32, players are far fitter now than they were. 

Edited 23 August 2024 by Babylon

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

He's also not coming here to be less of a contributor than he was at Palace, where he played most games. So where's him and Reid, another who wasn't leaving Fulham not to play, going to play? Mavididi and Fatawu will be on the bench far more than some of you presume.

 

Mavs was overplayed last season and pretty much ran out of steam by March 

im hoping that copper rotates starts and in game subs more effectively than previous coaches have so we can retain intensity throughout games right through to may. And also avoid any injuries through too many games at high intensity.  
 

also, fats had periods  of inconsistency last season. He’s young. Making them play when they’re off their game won’t be of any use to us. 

[Ric Flair]

Just now, Lesta Legend said:

That’s a huge assumption on your part. 

Is it though. Why would Ayew miss out on huge wealth from the middle east or stay put at Palace where he'd play regularly to coming here to be a fringe player. It's wishful thinking to fans who want to make themselves feel better about this deal.

 

The same can be said for Reid. He turned down a new deal at Fulham to come here.

[LestaLad]

I actually think he’ll be decent. As Cooper has said previously the team will change dependant on the opponent we’re playing. So for certain games Ayew will play when we need pressure putting on, same reason he’ll come on in the last 20mins of a game to see it out and get us further up the pitch by winning fouls which many Palace fans say he’s great at.

He's been a PL regular for many years and I’m much happier bringing him on than Soumaré or Mcateer (who needs a loan).

Actually think he’ll surprise many of us on here. 

[Ric Flair]

Just now, st albans fox said:

Mavs was overplayed last season and pretty much ran out of steam by March 

im hoping that copper rotates starts and in game subs more effectively than previous coaches have so we can retain intensity throughout games right through to may. And also avoid any injuries through too many games at high intensity.  
 

also, fats had periods  of inconsistency last season. He’s young. Making them play when they’re off their game won’t be of any use to us. 

I think Mavididi is sadly one of those players that has to play through poor form to get out of it, not sure he has the mentality to be in and out the team but I hope I'm wrong.

[MGLCFC]

1 minute ago, Thebluefox85 said:

This signing just show how low we are as a club and this shows they will literally sign anyone that wants to join! You would have to say under Enzo this signing wouldn’t be happening I think the only reason cooper got the job is because he’s a yes man simple as that 

I'll say it again, we've wasted far more money on so called elite signings, Silva, Musa, Slimani, Soumare, Daka and others. I see Ayew as a player that has been bought to do a specific role. Of course he wouldn't have been an Enzo signing, as he's so set in his ways and not pragmatic enough to realise playing differently is required sometimes. Yes, the club is in a financial straight jacket at present and we need to acquire players who can help us stay up, not necessarily those who are elite signings who we can't move on should they fail. Look at Chelsea, a squad of elite footballers costing billions, but are they a team? I'm not enthused by the signing of Ayew, but he may turn out to be a vital cog in our survival hopes. I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper has identified Ayew as someone who has enough versatility to do a job across the front line. Just my thoughts.

[Babylon]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Is it though. Why would Ayew miss out on huge wealth from the middle east or stay put at Palace where he'd play regularly to coming here to be a fringe player. It's wishful thinking to fans who want to make themselves feel better about this deal.

 

The same can be said for Reid. He turned down a new deal at Fulham to come here.

Longer contract, more security, club accepted a bid, doesn't want to move his family to the arse end of nowhere for a few quid more... Nobody is getting promises of being starters. 

[ChrisFilter]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Which is absolutely mental given he is one of very few goalscorers in this squad.

 

Cooper is making it very easy to absolutely detest him

He’s managed us for one game. In which we did ok once he’d addressed his error with initial setup. And now you’re speculating. Steady on 😂 

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

I hope this legendary work rate is more efficient than than the feckers trying to actually close the deal. I've accepted he's coming. But let's not drag it out like a major coup. We need Rudders energy elsewhere i.e. closing on a proper striker. 

[Finn Claw II]

What I don’t know is how many of Ayew’s appearances last few seasons were subs.  I can see him being able to replace any starter and provide a player who can help protect a lead by defending from the front / be an outlet for long balls / hold-up play.

 

Quite indifferent whenever I saw him on MOTD but his type of role probably doesn’t make the highlights.
 

Palace fans seem both rate his as a squad player but happy with the fee. 

 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

I'll say it again, we've wasted far more money on so called elite signings, Silva, Musa, Slimani, Soumare, Daka and others. I see Ayew as a player that has been bought to do a specific role. Of course he wouldn't have been an Enzo signing, as he's so set in his ways and not pragmatic enough to realise playing differently is required sometimes. Yes, the club is in a financial straight jacket at present and we need to acquire players who can help us stay up, not necessarily those who are elite signings who we can't move on should they fail. Look at Chelsea, a squad of elite footballers costing billions, but are they a team? I'm not enthused by the signing of Ayew, but he may turn out to be a vital cog in our survival hopes. I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper has identified Ayew as someone who has enough versatility to do a job across the front line. Just my thoughts.

I'll say it again too, our record of purchasing players with Premier League experience has been just as wasteful.

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think Mavididi is sadly one of those players that has to play through poor form to get out of it, not sure he has the mentality to be in and out the team but I hope I'm wrong.

Maybe but he’ll still come on as a sub so it’s not like he’ll be banished from the squad. 

be a good test of his mentality - being challenged to lift his game to get selected.   We need fighters 

[Thebluefox85]

I would expect Ipswich to be signing the likes of ayew and co. Not us I would of expected us to be going for the young players with points to prove as cooper has a track record previously of working with younger players and one of the only reasons I thought he would be coming in. no we are going for the players desperate for clubs and to hold on to a decent wages. He’s played none of yours decent youngest over pre season which I find very strange! Just hope the next signing are some to actually get excited about and improve us 

[DezFox]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

Honestly if people aren't going to see that Rudkin is grossly incompetent after this, they never will. 

 

Cooper is far from blameless in this, this sort of signing is his idea, but any competent DoF should be telling him absolutely not, the deal doesn't represent good value and you don't need him. If you really want a defensive winger who can't score, we already got you Bobby de Cordova Reid, and he was free.

 

Like what's his role going to be? run around a bit and win free kicks? we've got players who can do that already. if you really really want to be a team that just wins set pieces and scores from them, you've already got two tricky wingers who will get fouled regularly, you need someone who can take them and someone who can score from them. Sara was both and we didn't bother going back in with an increased bid because we had to save money for Skipp and Jordan ****in Ayew??

 

We've got basically no goals in the midfield having lost KDH, our only fit striker is a 38 year old who has to have his minutes managed, better ignore those and go all out for a man who gets booked as much as he scores despite allegedly being a forward.

 

When Cooper gets sacked, and he will pretty quickly because he's out of his depth in the prem, we're then lumbered with yet another unsellable asset just reducing our headroom in PSR, because there's no long range plan with Rudkin, the world's most incompetent DoF. Just let every single manager change the style drastically and rebuild the squad to fix that, let's pretend we've got the commercial income to allow more PSR headroom to do that. We deserve every single points deduction we get.

BDR - pushing on, average, underwhelming, 3 year contract. Never really stood out and now he is all ours, for 3 years. 

Golding - 5 mill PSR child playing with the youth team. Bought for no other reason than to convince Chelsea to still underpay for our best player and nearly a 3rd of all goals contributions last year. A player who also did not want to leave meaning we essentially sold KDH from our academy for the some price as we purchased skipp.  

 

skipp - solid player, overpaid big time, that is a lot of money especially when you consider our situation. 

Okoli - not young enough to have be an unknown raw quantity, seemingly brought in to provide cover as a 4th centre back, don’t see him being much better than souttar. 2O % of total budget spent. 

Facundo - will be a great player, we may see glimpses of it this year, caveat being he is only loan and will need replacing again. The more excited you get about him the more you remember he’s just a loan. 19years old and has the entire weight of a city on his shoulders as the only capable number 10, AMC at the club. For me, it feels like we are one injury away to having literally nobody capable of this role in the in premier league

 

Ayew - 8 million, nearly 33 and 

For context 8 million puts him 4th highest premier league incoming transfer for an out field player over the age 32. (Goalkeepers excluded) the other 3 players are Loriente, Aubameyang and someone called Ronaldo. I’m sorry but that is utter madness. He is an attacking player with less goal contributions than Shane bloody long. 

 

Fattawa - no caveat, exciting signing, very exciting although doesn’t feel new 😜

 

[honeybradger]

10 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

People moan that there hasn't been any thought or strategy to the recruitment but this is so obviously a strategic signing.

 

One of the first things Cooper did was hire Andy Hughes from Norwich. Hughes was set piece coach at Norwich and Norwich scored 18 goals from set peices last season. And jordan ayew is regularly the most fouled player in the premier league so it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realise that he hasn't been signed for his goal contributions!

 

I read someone else describe it as a moneyball signing and I think that's spot on. We aren't going to be able to compete talent for talent with at least 12 teams in this division so we are going to outwork them, try to hit them on the counter and win lots of free kicks and cash in on them and Im all for it! 

Everything you have brought up just highlights how short sighted we are as a club. Norwich scored the most from set pieces last season because they had an excellent dead ball specialist in Gabriel Sara.

 

We have no dead ball specialist at the club and therefore our set pieces do not have the delivery to be effective. Furthermore the entire signing of the Norwich set piece coach based on his record at Norwich seems like poor business as we look disorganised whilst defending set pieces. It almost seems like we looked at Norwich's record and didnt bother to look any further into why it was working out for them I.e. not the set piece coach.

[DezFox]

7 minutes ago, Thebluefox85 said:

I would expect Ipswich to be signing the likes of ayew and co. Not us I would of expected us to be going for the young players with points to prove as cooper has a track record previously of working with younger players and one of the only reasons I thought he would be coming in. no we are going for the players desperate for clubs and to hold on to a decent wages. He’s played none of yours decent youngest over pre season which I find very strange! Just hope the next signing are some to actually get excited about and improve us 

I think coopers track record with youth is a complete myth. If you weren’t in his youth England teams 7 or so years ago he is not Interested. 

[Dr The Singh]

45 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

I do concur regarding a decent forward and we may have to pay £30m, but it may well have to be a loan, with obligation to buy if we stay up, so that we stay within the rules this year.

The market is already tough for a perm, i have no idea who we could bring on loan

[AjcW]

Just now, DezFox said:

I think coopers track record with youth is a complete myth. If you weren’t in his youth England teams 7 or so years ago he is not Interested. 

I think it's probably less likely if you've had those jobs, whether it's England U17's or Liverpool... you essentially know better than anyone whether these people are ready for first team football.

 

By that measurement, i'd trust his judgement more than someone without that experience of working in youth development.

[AKCJ]

27 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

He's also not coming here to be less of a contributor than he was at Palace, where he played most games. So where's him and Reid, another who wasn't leaving Fulham not to play, going to play? Mavididi and Fatawu will be on the bench far more than some of you presume.

 

Decordova-Reid was out of contract at Fulham. 

 

Mavididi, Fatawu, Decordova-Reid and Ayew are 4 wingers who are all different to each other but regardless of that there's not a single team in the league that only has 2/3 wide options.

 

[Safestandingfox]