Cooper - OUT

[5waller5]

I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way that the board will act with any proactivity is to protect themselves.

 

The Board Out protests need to start / gain momentum. They’ll then make Cooper the scapegoat. I just can’t see them doing anything otherwise. 

[Wymsey]

Am just going with the flow and see what happens, personally.

 

But he has had enough time to brings the best out of the team/squad by now.

[FoxInTheBirstallBox]

Optimistic after the first game, post second game my optimism was dead.

 

We have 0 game plan other than turn up and hope for the best, feels like dean Smith all over again

[Bilo]

8 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said:

Optimistic after the first game, post second game my optimism was dead.

 

We have 0 game plan other than turn up and hope for the best, feels like dean Smith all over again

I honestly think we had more about us under Dean Smith.

[Royston.]

8 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Openly admit I struggle to watch Villa more than any other club. Always remember the 4-1 at their place when Vardy scored 2. We were miles ahead. The change in fortunes is very hard to take. I understand it’s psychological and my problem but I’d be surprised if other city fans don’t feel the same. 

Used to hate Villa but we more than anyone should appreciate the feel good factor of success after a period of mediocrity.

 

Bet their fans are loving it and fairplay to them

[Jattdogg]

22 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I honestly think we had more about us under Dean Smith.

9 points in 8 games which would be over 40 points for the season on extrapolated (not a guarantee). 2 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses.

 

We currently are on pace for less than half of that lol.

 

Things will change hopefully for the better but I have little faith in that with cooper.

[Bilo]

25 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

9 points in 8 games which would be over 40 points for the season on extrapolated (not a guarantee). 2 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses.

 

We currently are on pace for less than half of that lol.

 

Things will change hopefully for the better but I have little faith in that with cooper.

It does show what a new manager bounce can do, as we were wretched even immediately after Rodgers' sacking. 

 

With decent managers waiting in the wings for a job, there's really no excuse for us to have a caretaker this time around when Cooper gets the push.

[filbertway]

9 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Openly admit I struggle to watch Villa more than any other club. Always remember the 4-1 at their place when Vardy scored 2. We were miles ahead. The change in fortunes is very hard to take. I understand it’s psychological and my problem but I’d be surprised if other city fans don’t feel the same. 

I love watching them  Entertaining side, good mix of nob heads and talent, probably one of the more enjoyable teams to watch in the Prem i'd say.

[KFS]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

I love watching them  Entertaining side, good mix of nob heads and talent, probably one of the more enjoyable teams to watch in the Prem i'd say.

That’s fair but the OP has a point. Very difficult watch given where we should be right now 

[ozleicester]

No-one wouldve gone to Arsenal with this squad expecting to win...whether managed by Cooper, Maresca, Pep, or SIr fvcking Alf... we havent won there since i was a boy  and this is possibly the least competetive squad weve had in the PL in my memory against one of the best Arsenal squads ever.

Im sure i wouldve enjoyed our hard fought, backs to the wall 4-2 loss under Cooper... than i wouldve a boring  1-0 loss under Maresca.

Some people watch the game.. some people watch the tactics.

[Gamble92]

4 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

No-one wouldve gone to Arsenal with this squad expecting to win...whether managed by Cooper, Maresca, Pep, or SIr fvcking Alf... we havent won there since i was a boy  and this is possibly the least competetive squad weve had in the PL in my memory against one of the best Arsenal squads ever.

Im sure i wouldve enjoyed our hard fought, backs to the wall 4-2 loss under Cooper... than i wouldve a boring  1-0 loss under Maresca.

Some people watch the game.. some people watch the tactics.

You were a boy in 2020?

[Crinklyfox]

My managerial experience is from industry, not football, nevertheless I think some of the beliefs I hold in respect of management would be the same for both sectors.

 

People are not stupid, in the main, they are able to assess the abilities of their manager.  Every time I started to manage a new team I tried to do things that would earn their respect, a lot of the time in regard to working practices and problem solving.  I've worked with other managers who I know didn't have the respect of their team and this sometimes resulted in performance issues.  Generally, a manager will get compliance from their team - they will do what is required.  However, a team who believe in their manger are more likely to go the extra mile when required, resulting in increased confidence and performance.

 

City players have had the experience of working with different managers and are well capable of forming an opinion of the capabilities of each.  If they don't believe in the methods Cooper has introduced, where they can be determined, then they are unlikely to reach their maximum potential, and from the matches I have watched this season, that unfortunately appears to be the case.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

I really hope that the penny drops for him this weekend.

 

If we utilise our attacking players well we can give any team troubles, sitting back just asks for trouble.

 

Football is all about balance, teams that just defend or just attack get nowhere. This is probably just biased talk but I think we have one of the best squads outside the top 8 and if we can strike that balance well we can push up the league. We just needs to be  a bit braver all over the pitch 

[Grebfromgrebland]

10 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

9 points in 8 games which would be over 40 points for the season on extrapolated (not a guarantee). 2 wins, 3 draws, 3 losses.

 

We currently are on pace for less than half of that lol.

 

Things will change hopefully for the better but I have little faith in that with cooper.

Cooper has never been that good.

 

Hiring him represented a huge risk thinking that he might be better than he ever was.

[sylofox]

On 02/10/2024 at 20:28, Sunbury Fox said:

In 90% of games last season, teams parked the bus against us, so we had no choice but to play a heavy possession game. But against better teams in the PL, Enzo would have adapted the style, as he did twice against Southampton in the league and at Bournemouth in the Cup. In those games we were happy to sit deeper and hit teams on the counter. And we looked bloody brilliant. One thing is for certain, Enzo would not be playing bloody Ayew or Reid over Fatawu or Mavididi, or ostracising our best technical player in Ricardo. 

Had Enzo still been here he could not have played Ayew or Reid. No way he would have signed them in the first place.

[ozleicester]

1 hour ago, Gamble92 said:

You were a boy in 2020?

haha forgot that

[Bilo]

54 minutes ago, Crinklyfox said:

My managerial experience is from industry, not football, nevertheless I think some of the beliefs I hold in respect of management would be the same for both sectors.

 

People are not stupid, in the main, they are able to assess the abilities of their manager.  Every time I started to manage a new team I tried to do things that would earn their respect, a lot of the time in regard to working practices and problem solving.  I've worked with other managers who I know didn't have the respect of their team and this sometimes resulted in performance issues.  Generally, a manager will get compliance from their team - they will do what is required.  However, a team who believe in their manger are more likely to go the extra mile when required, resulting in increased confidence and performance.

 

City players have had the experience of working with different managers and are well capable of forming an opinion of the capabilities of each.  If they don't believe in the methods Cooper has introduced, where they can be determined, then they are unlikely to reach their maximum potential, and from the matches I have watched this season, that unfortunately appears to be the case.

I've been wanting to say something like this about my experience in teaching.

 

When I first started as an unqualified teacher looking for a training placement, I got a job in a school that had a very effective HoD. He was strict, organised, had a clear plan and the department was one of the most effective in a very tough school, with results outperforming not only every other department but also similar schools in the local area. The teaching was good, coursework was completed on time and with high levels of scrutiny, teachers were supported with rough classes and classrooms were calm. It seemed an obvious place to start my teaching journey.

 

That teacher was promoted not long after I joined and his replacement hand-picked from the current teaching team. Not the most experienced or even the most competent teacher, but someone that SLT knew would say yes to everything and would like the title of Head of Department.

 

That teacher wasn't just the worst Head of Department I have worked under in 13 years of teaching; they were the worst manager I have ever worked under in nearly 25 years of employment full stop. Disorganised, arrogant, unwilling to listen, unapproachable, unsupportive and essentially turning what was once a close knit and supportive department into one characterised by cliques and division.

 

The results were more or less immediate. The favourites went to the department office, the rest to the staff room. No professional conversations about pedagogy could take place as a result. Behaviour, already a challenge in a tough school, fell off as the favourites knew they'd be supported and everyone else had to fend for themselves or be deemed weak and incapable of controlling a class. The kids spotted the change in dynamic immediately. Where once there was clarity over coursework requirements and deadlines over a cup of coffee, now teachers had to look it up online or enquire with colleagues at other schools for fear of getting their head bitten off for asking the question.

 

At the end of that first year, five teachers left (myself along with an amazingly talented NQT and three experienced teachers,) results fell to the bottom three in the school and an exam board investigation into coursework malpractice was launched. The once thriving department had been completely torpedoed in under a year, and that HoD was 'signed off with stress' before disappearing completely.

 

Did we all become crap teachers overnight or did we suffer because of egregiously bad leadership? I'm a great believer that any team is only as good as its leadership and direction, and I fear for Leicester City's future now as I can see a not dissimilar dynamic panning out at Seagrave.

Edited 4 October 2024 by Bilo

[Gamble92]

40 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I've been wanting to say something like this about my experience in teaching.

 

When I first started as an unqualified teacher looking for a training placement, I got a job in a school that had a very effective HoD. He was strict, organised, had a clear plan and the department was one of the most effective in a very tough school, with results outperforming not only every other department but also similar schools in the local area. The teaching was good, coursework was completed on time and with high levels of scrutiny, teachers were supported with rough classes and classrooms were calm. It seemed an obvious place to start my teaching journey.

 

That teacher was promoted not long after I joined and his replacement hand-picked from the current teaching team. Not the most experienced or even the most competent teacher, but someone that SLT knew would say yes to everything and would like the title of Head of Department.

 

That teacher wasn't just the worst Head of Department I have worked under in 13 years of teaching; they were the worst manager I have ever worked under in nearly 25 years of employment full stop. Disorganised, arrogant, unwilling to listen, unapproachable, unsupportive and essentially turning what was once a close knit and supportive department into one characterised by cliques and division.

 

The results were more or less immediate. The favourites went to the department office, the rest to the staff room. No professional conversations about pedagogy could take place as a result. Behaviour, already a challenge in a tough school, fell off as the favourites knew they'd be supported and everyone else had to fend for themselves or be deemed weak and incapable of controlling a class. The kids spotted the change in dynamic immediately. Where once there was clarity over coursework requirements and deadlines over a cup of coffee, now teachers had to look it up online or enquire with colleagues at other schools for fear of getting their head bitten off for asking the question.

 

At the end of that first year, five teachers left (myself along with an amazingly talented NQT and three experienced teachers,) results fell to the bottom three in the school and an exam board investigation into coursework malpractice was launched. The once thriving department had been completely torpedoed in under a year, and that HoD was 'signed off with stress' before disappearing completely.

 

Did we all become crap teachers overnight or did we suffer because of egregiously bad leadership? I'm a great believer that any team is only as good as its leadership and direction, and I fear for Leicester City's future now as I can see a not dissimilar dynamic panning out at Seagrave.

Could let us know the school could you? Just so I don't take my kids there. Cheers. 

[daddylonglegs]

Intrigued to see who he brings on at 84 mins now that Hamza is out. 

[Bilo]

25 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Could let us know the school could you? Just so I don't take my kids there. Cheers. 

😂

 

From what I've been told by friends who still work there, albeit in different departments as literally everyone in that original department has since left, it's very different now. But it took them about five years to even begin to recover and get back to where they were.

[CrazyKopCorner]

12 hours ago, Royston. said:

Used to hate Villa but we more than anyone should appreciate the feel good factor of success after a period of mediocrity.

 

Bet their fans are loving it and fairplay to them

Yes I don't think we should begrudge any fans their time in the sun. 

 

I just hope they c*ck it up like we have 

[The Doctor]

4 minutes ago, daddylonglegs said:

Intrigued to see who he brings on at 84 mins now that Hamza is out. 

Bouba Soumare redemption arc

[Matt]

1 hour ago, sylofox said:

Had Enzo still been here he could not have played Ayew or Reid. No way he would have signed them in the first place.

Like “he” signed Cannon and Coady then proceeded to not play them?

 

(Neither would have been first names on the team sheet last season but you’d have expected them to feature more.)

[Weller 7]

1 hour ago, Bilo said:

I've been wanting to say something like this about my experience in teaching.

 

When I first started as an unqualified teacher looking for a training placement, I got a job in a school that had a very effective HoD. He was strict, organised, had a clear plan and the department was one of the most effective in a very tough school, with results outperforming not only every other department but also similar schools in the local area. The teaching was good, coursework was completed on time and with high levels of scrutiny, teachers were supported with rough classes and classrooms were calm. It seemed an obvious place to start my teaching journey.

 

That teacher was promoted not long after I joined and his replacement hand-picked from the current teaching team. Not the most experienced or even the most competent teacher, but someone that SLT knew would say yes to everything and would like the title of Head of Department.

 

That teacher wasn't just the worst Head of Department I have worked under in 13 years of teaching; they were the worst manager I have ever worked under in nearly 25 years of employment full stop. Disorganised, arrogant, unwilling to listen, unapproachable, unsupportive and essentially turning what was once a close knit and supportive department into one characterised by cliques and division.

 

The results were more or less immediate. The favourites went to the department office, the rest to the staff room. No professional conversations about pedagogy could take place as a result. Behaviour, already a challenge in a tough school, fell off as the favourites knew they'd be supported and everyone else had to fend for themselves or be deemed weak and incapable of controlling a class. The kids spotted the change in dynamic immediately. Where once there was clarity over coursework requirements and deadlines over a cup of coffee, now teachers had to look it up online or enquire with colleagues at other schools for fear of getting their head bitten off for asking the question.

 

At the end of that first year, five teachers left (myself along with an amazingly talented NQT and three experienced teachers,) results fell to the bottom three in the school and an exam board investigation into coursework malpractice was launched. The once thriving department had been completely torpedoed in under a year, and that HoD was 'signed off with stress' before disappearing completely.

 

Did we all become crap teachers overnight or did we suffer because of egregiously bad leadership? I'm a great believer that any team is only as good as its leadership and direction, and I fear for Leicester City's future now as I can see a not dissimilar dynamic panning out at Seagrave.

Brilliant post. 

[BillyFOX12]

I reckon Cooper could be an excellent manager in League one.