Cooper - OUT

[Jobyfox]

1 hour ago, TheGoldenGod said:

Something I've always thought about Everton fans when they signed Dyche. They were buzzing that he'd keep them steady but it's no long term solution when at the heart of it, they'll want to be where Moyes had them, fighting for Europe with more exciting football.... And so it transpired, they are sick of him now.

 

If Cooper keeps us up he deserves all the credit but doesn't inspire for building IMO as he's fundamentally limited!

That’s it for me really and sums up why I thought it was a strange appointment.

 

Last season we felt that the best way to rebuild was to appoint Maresca - an up and coming manager with a clear philosophy and team identity. Whether you liked it, or not, you could see that the style was progressive and probably more suitable the higher the level we played. 
 

You could have made an argument to appoint a manager like Cooper last season. Someone with experience of getting a side promoted and keeping them there. A limited manager for a specific task.

 

Instead we went with the bold (or bald) decision of appointing Maresca. A brave decision that paid off - only to then revert back to someone like Cooper. It’s just muddled thinking 

[K789]

5 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

 

 

Someone on here, who I won’t name drop, messaged me about some relevant info.
 

They were at the NFL at the weekend in London and ended up in a bar outside the stadium with someone who’s played every league game so far this season, again I won’t name drop. 

 

He was a bit drunk nothing major, really really lovely guy, asked him about cooper said all the things many of us have said on the forum and he tried his best not to say anything, kept giving me a "look" and then eventually he said "all the players think we understand football more than him, he's a nice guy but none of us respect him as a manager"

 

Asked him about ricardo and he said "no idea how he’s not playing, he's still one of the best players at the club"

 

Also off topic I asked about Rudkin and he said "scapegoat, the players love him" though I suspect they would given he just gives them big money etc.

 

He was extremely confident we would stay up, said the team are far better than cooper is having us play, he doesn't think cooper will last long, indicated all the players don't think he's very good.

 

Dont shoot the messenger. 
 

Some of this explains the body language of the players, arguing amongst themselves and shouting at the bench. 
 

It would also add up with the info about Winks and Vardy challenging the manager. Of course he can’t drop Vardy else he would lose more fans but Winks? Yeah he could get away with that now as 75% of Winks’ game leans towards a side that have more possession. 

Bumped into hanro liebenberg (tigers) after the nfl game. He didn't have anything to add about Cooper 

[ClaphamFox]

17 minutes ago, Jobyfox said:

That’s it for me really and sums up why I thought it was a strange appointment.

 

Last season we felt that the best way to rebuild was to appoint Maresca - an up and coming manager with a clear philosophy and team identity. Whether you liked it, or not, you could see that the style was progressive and probably more suitable the higher the level we played. 
 

You could have made an argument to appoint a manager like Cooper last season. Someone with experience of getting a side promoted and keeping them there. A limited manager for a specific task.

 

Instead we went with the bold (or bald) decision of appointing Maresca. A brave decision that paid off - only to then revert back to someone like Cooper. It’s just muddled thinking 

Or possibly forced thinking due to lack of interested candidates (due to threat of points deduction) and/or lack of funds (due to PSR constraints)....

[RoboFox]

36 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

Could be Mads. Speaks very good English, seems like a nice chap and his comments after the Arsenal game were very interesting. Unlike JJ, who ludicrously talked of how we had gone "toe to toe" with Arsenal, Mads focused on the fact that he should not be facing over 35 shots in any game............

I think we've established who it was...

 

...without establishing who it was, nah'm sayin? 

[Lionator]

6 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

 

 

Someone on here, who I won’t name drop, messaged me about some relevant info.
 

They were at the NFL at the weekend in London and ended up in a bar outside the stadium with someone who’s played every league game so far this season, again I won’t name drop. 

 

He was a bit drunk nothing major, really really lovely guy, asked him about cooper said all the things many of us have said on the forum and he tried his best not to say anything, kept giving me a "look" and then eventually he said "all the players think we understand football more than him, he's a nice guy but none of us respect him as a manager"

 

Asked him about ricardo and he said "no idea how he’s not playing, he's still one of the best players at the club"

 

Also off topic I asked about Rudkin and he said "scapegoat, the players love him" though I suspect they would given he just gives them big money etc.

 

He was extremely confident we would stay up, said the team are far better than cooper is having us play, he doesn't think cooper will last long, indicated all the players don't think he's very good.

 

Dont shoot the messenger. 
 

Some of this explains the body language of the players, arguing amongst themselves and shouting at the bench. 
 

It would also add up with the info about Winks and Vardy challenging the manager. Of course he can’t drop Vardy else he would lose more fans but Winks? Yeah he could get away with that now as 75% of Winks’ game leans towards a side that have more possession. 

Again, I don’t think Cooper is the right man but surely the players have to take a bit more responsibility here. “None of us respect him as a manager” to me sounds like they’d made their mind up from the start and I don’t think he’ll ever win them over. Indeed if this is the case then he needs to go asap and we get in a manager that the senior players do respect, and they probably need to develop some humility as well. It seems that rot is still part of the club post Brendan. 

[Jobyfox]

34 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Or possibly forced thinking due to lack of interested candidates (due to threat of points deduction) and/or lack of funds (due to PSR constraints)....

No I don’t really accept that. 
 

There are candidates from the Championship, foreign leagues and assistant managers around who I’m sure could have been approached and would have taken the opportunity. Maresca himself was someone who was acting as a number 2 having been sacked by Parma.
 

I might agree that Cooper was a pragmatic choice, but he’s also an incredibly unimaginative one that doesn’t give us any consistency of direction 

[JimJams]

2 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

No I don’t really accept that. 
 

There are candidates from the Championship, foreign leagues and assistant managers around who I’m sure could have been approached and would have taken the opportunity. Maresca himself was someone who was acting as a number 2 having been sacked by Parma.
 

I might agree that Cooper was a pragmatic choice, but he’s also an incredibly unimaginative one that doesn’t give us any consistency of direction 

You might not accept it but it seems evident.  Were it not for Chelsea we'd still have Enzo most likely,  so we'd still be trying that progressive football.  As it was we were a newly promoted side with an unknown points deduction coming up. I think we were a risk for a lot of potential candidates.  Perhaps an unnecessary one. 

 

[whoareyaaa]

3 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

That’s it for me really and sums up why I thought it was a strange appointment.

 

Last season we felt that the best way to rebuild was to appoint Maresca - an up and coming manager with a clear philosophy and team identity. Whether you liked it, or not, you could see that the style was progressive and probably more suitable the higher the level we played. 
 

You could have made an argument to appoint a manager like Cooper last season. Someone with experience of getting a side promoted and keeping them there. A limited manager for a specific task.

 

Instead we went with the bold (or bald) decision of appointing Maresca. A brave decision that paid off - only to then revert back to someone like Cooper. It’s just muddled thinking 

I think Potter was in advanced talks but then as soon as that wasn't happening Rudkin spat his dummy out and went for the easiest option available, considering the style we have been playing for so long, singing players for that style then getting promoted in that style we then go for Cooper who is the complete opposite to what we have been doing for the last 8 years or more.

 

Barmy

[winteriscoming]

I see a similar thing happening when we got rid of Rodgers. We’d just had an international break to get him gone instead we went into the next game and lost at Palace. Then we got rid. Can see the same thing happening with Cooper. Imo he’ll get these 3 winnable games coming up and we’ll drop points in them. I just don’t see him going during this break. Which he should. 

[AyewJoking]

3 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

That’s it for me really and sums up why I thought it was a strange appointment.

 

Last season we felt that the best way to rebuild was to appoint Maresca - an up and coming manager with a clear philosophy and team identity. Whether you liked it, or not, you could see that the style was progressive and probably more suitable the higher the level we played. 
 

You could have made an argument to appoint a manager like Cooper last season. Someone with experience of getting a side promoted and keeping them there. A limited manager for a specific task.

 

Instead we went with the bold (or bald) decision of appointing Maresca. A brave decision that paid off - only to then revert back to someone like Cooper. It’s just muddled thinking 

not if they appointed him with the foresight we will be in the championship next season.

[KP Fox]

[Muzzy_no7]

2 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[SecretPro]

4 minutes ago, KP Fox said:

Shearer has only put Cooper in to wind Gary up. 

[trooky]

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

27 minutes ago, trooky said:

Were that clinical - imagine if we created a decent number of chances we’d be scoring a bucket load.

[CrazyKopCorner]

There’s so many annoying twonkish things Cooper does you could have one a day - the fact he thinks Mavi and Fatawu are  interchangeable- play them together for gawd sake 

[ian__marshall]

Not going to read too much into those comments assuming they are true. Not defending Cooper but there's a few players in this squad that were adamant that Rodgers was the best manager they've ever played for and wouldn't have a bad word said against him, so I'd take any comments with a pinch of salt as it had no bearing on where we ended up at the end of the season. 

[Rusko187]

2 hours ago, KP Fox said:

Lay off the spice Alan

[ozvaldo]

Get him gone. 

[BlackFox]

3 hours ago, SecretPro said:

Shearer has only put Cooper in to wind Gary up. 

Wtf Alan🫨

[BlackFox]

3 hours ago, KP Fox said:

Wtf Alan 🫨

[hejammy]

10 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

 

 

Whoosh!

Ahh the irony 

[Chrysalis]

13 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

That’s it for me really and sums up why I thought it was a strange appointment.

 

Last season we felt that the best way to rebuild was to appoint Maresca - an up and coming manager with a clear philosophy and team identity. Whether you liked it, or not, you could see that the style was progressive and probably more suitable the higher the level we played. 
 

You could have made an argument to appoint a manager like Cooper last season. Someone with experience of getting a side promoted and keeping them there. A limited manager for a specific task.

 

Instead we went with the bold (or bald) decision of appointing Maresca. A brave decision that paid off - only to then revert back to someone like Cooper. It’s just muddled thinking 

What was progressive about it and what is good about been stubborn to one way of playing without having a squad built for it?

[blueharmie]

14 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

That’s it for me really and sums up why I thought it was a strange appointment.

 

Last season we felt that the best way to rebuild was to appoint Maresca - an up and coming manager with a clear philosophy and team identity. Whether you liked it, or not, you could see that the style was progressive and probably more suitable the higher the level we played. 
 

You could have made an argument to appoint a manager like Cooper last season. Someone with experience of getting a side promoted and keeping them there. A limited manager for a specific task.

 

Instead we went with the bold (or bald) decision of appointing Maresca. A brave decision that paid off - only to then revert back to someone like Cooper. It’s just muddled thinking 

Muddled?

 

The board haven't a ****ing clue what they are doing more like 

[Dahnsouff]

Got me thinking, how many times have we been desperate to sack a manager early in their tenure (within the first year)  and it turn out to be warranted?

Must be quite a while?