Cooper - OUT

[TheStig]

41 minutes ago, Parafox said:

 

Yes. It seemed to me when Cooper was hired it was like the board saw the words "out of work manager" and thought. "he'll do"

Maybe their thinking was "with points deduction were going down anyway". So we might as well keep him. He is cheap in the Prem and expectations haven´t changed - were still going down so the boards perceived strategy is still on. Think that if he is fired. the layoff payment will be substantial. We hire a new one that fails to keep us up - and the change of manager will blow a big hole in our finances. I think they´ll stick with Cooper whatever happens.

[Tielemans63]

Just now, TheStig said:

Maybe their thinking was "with points deduction were going down anyway". So we might as well keep him. He is cheap in the Prem and expectations haven´t changed - were still going down so the boards perceived strategy is still on. Think that if he is fired. the layoff payment will be substantial. We hire a new one that fails to keep us up - and the change of manager will blow a big hole in our finances. I think they´ll stick with Cooper whatever happens.

Sadly, I think you're bang on. 

[Bilo]

3 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

I get where you are coming from, I think the issue for me with cooper is there is almost no hope, there's nothing to build on to try and get back to that level.

It's just a dead end.

Of course we could sack cooper and bring in someone equally shit, but at least it would signal some positive intent from the board that they are trying....even if they keep messing up 😅

 

The first point is the kicker here.

 

When we went months without winning under Pearson in 2014, there was some hope. We rarely got absolutely pumped, and were actually unlucky in quite a few games as I recall.

 

It was clear as the season progressed that players like Vardy and Mahrez were growing into it, and it did feel as though we were only a win or two away from looking like a good side. Then we got results against West Brom and West Ham, never looking back after that.

 

This time there's nothing. We were lucky at Southampton and hung on by our fingernails against Bournemouth. Those wins felt like false dawns, not the start of us building momentum. 

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, TheStig said:

Maybe their thinking was "with points deduction were going down anyway". So we might as well keep him. He is cheap in the Prem and expectations haven´t changed - were still going down so the boards perceived strategy is still on. Think that if he is fired. the layoff payment will be substantial. We hire a new one that fails to keep us up - and the change of manager will blow a big hole in our finances. I think they´ll stick with Cooper whatever happens.

I don't think we would spend so much if we had intentions of going down, they probably thought he would be good enough to keep us up which doesn't look like the case.

 

Will be gone before Christmas

[fox_favourite]

2 minutes ago, TheStig said:

Maybe their thinking was "with points deduction were going down anyway". So we might as well keep him. He is cheap in the Prem and expectations haven´t changed - were still going down so the boards perceived strategy is still on. Think that if he is fired. the layoff payment will be substantial. We hire a new one that fails to keep us up - and the change of manager will blow a big hole in our finances. I think they´ll stick with Cooper whatever happens.

Sadly, this seems fair shout. Would this mean they've given up? And surely it should have changed with the loophole. 

 

However going down will mean we'll be a mid table championship club for years with potential points deduction and transfer embargo. No one will stay and we'll have a team of academy players whether we like it or not. 

 

So we'll have to keep the manager as well. 

[fox_favourite]

5 minutes ago, Bilo said:

The first point is the kicker here.

 

When we went months without winning under Pearson in 2014, there was some hope. We rarely got absolutely pumped, and were actually unlucky in quite a few games as I recall.

 

It was clear as the season progressed that players like Vardy and Mahrez were growing into it, and it did feel as though we were only a win or two away from looking like a good side. Then we got results against West Brom and West Ham, never looking back after that.

 

This time there's nothing. We were lucky at Southampton and hung on by our fingernails against Bournemouth. Those wins felt like false dawns, not the start of us building momentum. 

Exactly, Pearson clearly had the players onside, playing for him and his trust and that reflected in performances. You are right we were unlucky in a few games. The club felt united and we could see a plan and passion.

 

Compare that to now is like seeing a damp rag floating in the gutter. 

Edited 23 November 2024 by fox_favourite

[Gravel]

321 pages. Time for Cooper to be binned

[volpeazzurro]

The longer they leave it, the harder it'll be to get another half decent manager. It's no good waiting until we're adrift! A new manager now would have hope and potentially the odd new signing in January. 

[Pliskin]

if you were convinced that you were going to get relegated, why would you spend the best part of £40m on two players? You wouldn’t bother surely…….

[richardsfoxes]

Just now, Pliskin said:

if you were convinced that you were going to get relegated, why would you spend the best part of £40m on two players? You wouldn’t bother surely…….

The real question is, why spend 50M on two Midfielders who can't even make it into the starting lineup.

[SecretPro]

7 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

The real question is, why spend 50M on two Midfielders who can't even make it into the starting lineup.

Its pretty clear at this point that the people running the club have no idea how to run the club. 

 

It's also clear now how much of an active role in our success Vichai played. He ran the club, he was also always visible, he had real friendships with staff and players, he was clued in to what was going on both on and off the pitch. Top, well, Top is ****ing useless and anybody still in denial about that is deluding themselves.

Edited 23 November 2024 by SecretPro

[Reg Vardy]

4 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

The real question is, why spend 50M on two Midfielders who can't even make it into the starting lineup.

Harsh, our best player today…..

[TheStig]

31 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Sadly, this seems fair shout. Would this mean they've given up? And surely it should have changed with the loophole. 

 

However going down will mean we'll be a mid table championship club for years with potential points deduction and transfer embargo. No one will stay and we'll have a team of academy players whether we like it or not. 

 

So we'll have to keep the manager as well. 

Bleak! It does seem as if the board has no idea of what they are doing. Neither on the business side nor (and especially) on the footballing side. So they rely on a manager that knows what he is doing, and as Cooper seems clueless we are like a ship with no rudder. Frightening that this is possible in a multimillion business

[Bilo]

Did we buy badly in the summer or are there good players there being muzzled by poor tactics and management? BEK looks very good at times, Okoli is highly rated in Italy and Skipp is no mug.

[walkerleeds]

45 minutes ago, murphy said:

That's pretty much the opposite of what I said .

 

I think it is the fans duty to support the team on matchday and become the 12th man.  It is the board's job to hire and fire.  If were down to us, Martin O'Neill#s reign wouldn't have lasted very long.

 

So you did! That being said, at what stage do you voice concerns about the direction of the club then (genuine question)? Would you talk about it on here?

[Iwebema]

36 minutes ago, Bilo said:

The first point is the kicker here.

 

When we went months without winning under Pearson in 2014, there was some hope. We rarely got absolutely pumped, and were actually unlucky in quite a few games as I recall.

 

It was clear as the season progressed that players like Vardy and Mahrez were growing into it, and it did feel as though we were only a win or two away from looking like a good side. Then we got results against West Brom and West Ham, never looking back after that.

 

This time there's nothing. We were lucky at Southampton and hung on by our fingernails against Bournemouth. Those wins felt like false dawns, not the start of us building momentum. 

Couldn't agree more!

 

I wouldnt mind so much if we had gone up unexpectedly last season, a bit like Luton or Ipswich, you are just thinking we are in it for the ride.

But at times we walked the championship last season, this isn't a team that should just accept needlessly playing chicken with relegation. I'm not saying we should be finishing 10th etc. But I do believe we should be aiming for 15th, I think this squad can achieve that, but there's absolutely no chance with cooper in charge, even when we have played well in small moments he's almost gone out of his way to nip it in the bud and revert back to safe dogmatic negative football, he's such a negative manager, I'm not even sure he's said much positively about us, it's always talking us down like we should just be thankful to be here, which was rodgers 101 when he began to totally lose it, it's always a sign for me that a manager is unravelling.

And like I say its a dead end, he's frozen most of the youth out, there's no style, no tactics, no room for growth, no pathway, nothing that makes you think he's the guy long term, it's just dogmatic negative football, hope we scrape enough points through hard work, so what's the point in carrying on we can get anyone in to do what he's doing, might aswell try and get someone in where they are able to show us they might have something that with time and invest could maybe get us back to being a stable prem club.

Bit of a frustrated rant there, sorry ha 

[Tuna]

 

Edited 23 November 2024 by Tuna

[worthosoriginals]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

Being constantly reminded to be careful what we wished for regarding Rodgers, ultimately, in the long run, led to appointing Cooper.

 

Sack Rodgers sooner, probably no relegation, no appointment of Cooper.

 

But, good job those happy clappers, sat on their hands!  (And despite all the pissing and moaning regarding Cooper on here, looks like they're doing the same this time - Not a murmur of discontent in the stands, not got it in us as a fanbase. Talk a good game of toxicity and protests though.)

 

Yawn

[Pliskin]

5 minutes ago, Tuna said:

 

Pipes firing shots. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

3 minutes ago, Bilo said:

Did we buy badly in the summer or are there good players there being muzzled by poor tactics and management? BEK looks very good at times, Okoli is highly rated in Italy and Skipp is no mug.

Couldn’t agree more, this is a decent squad, a coach worth his salt could get a real tune. Whilst everyone belittles the squad remember- 

 

Hermansen - Danish international 

Vestergaard - Danish international 

Kristensen- Danish international 

Faes - Belgian international 

Okoli - Italian international 

Ndidi - Nigerian international 

Winks & Skipp - seasoned premier league players with a top 6 club

Vardy - need we say more 

Facundo - Argentina international 

Ricardo & Justin - seasoned premier league players

Fatawu pre injury - Ghana international

BDR - seasoned premier league player

Eduaord - seasoned premier league player 

Ayew - Ghana international 

Bilal - Moroccan international 

Mavididi - more than capable of being a decent premier league player 

 

18 out of 25 of the squad that are internationals without touching on the likes of Coady, Thomas, Ward, Daka etc that have also played international football even if only u21 level. Lets not pretend that Cooper is managing a championship squad, because he isn’t, granted they aren’t going to be top 10 but also they aren’t relegation cannon fodder. 
 

Too many are happy to give a sub standard manager a free hit when that is not the case. 

[Clever Fox]

15 minutes ago, SecretPro said:

Its pretty clear at this point that the people running the club have no idea how to run the club. 

 

It's also clear now how much of an active role in our success Vichai played. He ran the club, he was also always visible, he had real friendships with staff and players, he was clued in to what was going on both on and off the pitch. Top, well, Top is ****ing useless and anybody still in denial about that is deluding themselves.

Top certainly does'nt know how to run a Club. But it's unfair to compare him to Vichai. Vichai owned KP. He could click his fingers and things happened.

Things changed dramaticly after the accident. Top is Chairman though answerable to the Board. A Board that have little connection or interest in Football other than supporting Vichai's wishes.

The mistake Top made was trusting Rogers too much which started our decline because the Board rightly cut off the money with the poor signings he made.

He got his replacement right in appointing Enzo, Sadly he was poached from us and Cooper was a last minute panic choice.

Now we're back to rock bottom and need someone to guide us in the right direction. Who better than the likes of Pearson, even in a consultancy role in helping choosing the next team to take us forward again.

The next appointment is crucial otherwise we could be set back for a decade.

[ronnup]

41 minutes ago, richardsfoxes said:

The real question is, why spend 50M on two Midfielders who can't even make it into the starting lineup.

 

Because they'll be excellent in the Championship 

[Stuntman_Mike]

33 minutes ago, Tuna said:

 

This is exactly it. If we go down, I want it to be fighting. We're just not giving ourselves the best possible chance. Get him gone 

[SecretPro]

Pipes knows something 

[FoxFossil]

Anybody know when the Board formally meet?

Have it in my mind it's Monday, but I don't know if I just imagined this.

Nothing happens until that meeting, so it would be good to know. Expending too much energy calling for Cooper to go all rest of the week.

Edited 23 November 2024 by FoxFossil