Cooper - OUT

[MGLCFC]

Just now, splinterdream said:

Edouard was horrific, may as well play with another attacking midfielder is vardy is done 

Don't worry Patson's back soon 

[The Doctor]

3 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

In game management has been appalling. Even today the likes of Fatawu and Edouard were 15-20 minutes too late. 

they didn't even make sense as subs. we were getting pinned in, vardy was seeing nothing. Bringing on Edouard wasn't ever going to change anything, at that point the change needed was to change out two of Ndidi, Skipp and Ayew, regain control of that centre midfield area

[Strokes]

I’d take Gary Megson in exchange right now.

[Paninistickers]

3 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

they didn't even make sense as subs. we were getting pinned in, vardy was seeing nothing. Bringing on Edouard wasn't ever going to change anything, at that point the change needed was to change out two of Ndidi, Skipp and Ayew, regain control of that centre midfield area

Exactly this

[MPH]

1 minute ago, Strokes said:

I’d take Gary Megson in exchange right now.

 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

Never known a manager pick players in offensive/creative positions based on their defensive ability.

 

Ndidi and Ayew in the 10. Refusal to play Mavididi and Fatawu on the wings in favour of the likes of Decordova Reid and Ayew.

 

It’s boring, dull, negativity.

[MPH]

Just now, Freeman's Wharfer said:

Never known a manager pick players in offensive/creative positions based on their defensive ability.

 

Ndidi and Ayew in the 10. Refusal to play Mavididi and Fatawu on the wings in favour of the likes of Decordova Reid and Ayew.

 

It’s boring, dull, negativity.

 

Umm… didn’t Mavididi start and DCR  was on the bench? I’m no cooper fan but  make sure you place your anger in the right places.

[pazzerfox]

Brilliant win.  Well done Cooper!!

[funkyrobot]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

Umm… didn’t Mavididi start and DCR  was on the bench? I’m no cooper fan but  make sure you place your anger in the right places.

I think the point is it’s either one or the other. Mavididi and Ayew or Fatawu and BDCR. At home, against a side like Bournemouth, play with your best attacking width and that should be BOTH Mavididi & Fatawu. 

[Quorndon_Fox]

What’s with the hate for Edouard? Showed true commitment blocking Fatawus shot with his face.

[sm1]

I can't believe anybody can watch the display today and think things  are fine, that this is our future, a team spending majority of the time camped outside their own penalty area with 11 men behind the ball, ceding 70% of territory to their opponents. Away to Arsenal it was understandable, but home to a bottom half PL team. We've conceded something like 120+ shots already this season. Irrespective of the result today, the current tactics are unsustainable. Personally I'm clearer then ever that Cooper isn't good enough and we need to part ways.

[Iwebema]

Certainly felt like we won inspite of him today. His in game management is nothing short of atrocious.

 

The positives for now is the players are working hard for him, and the hope for Cooper has to be that they stay with him, because the moment they turn, we are going to get absolutely battered playing like this.

 

I think the frustrating thing for me is we are better than he makes us out to be, we have seen in pockets what we can be if he would just get out of his own way, he is making everything 10 times harder than it needs to be.

 

The first half was really good, not without fault, but a good step in the right direction and then he reverts back to the style that's cost us points in every game and if we are honest with ourselves we got lucky in the end, but it didn't need to be like that, we more than matched them, so why change it, why tell the team to sit so deep, it's just not a sustainable way of playing.

 

I do believe for now that he can just about keep us up, but I believe that is completely entrenched in the players not turning on him, we won't be winning points by anything other than hard work playing like this, and we are certainly going to need to keep riding our luck.

 

Right now as it stands we are better than saints, palace, Ipswich, wolves and Everton imo, but its very close and a couple of managerial changes could easily see us slip behind them.

I think from reading around most of the "cooper out" is based upon the opinion it doesn't need to be this difficult, playing chicken with that bottom 6 is very risky and there are alternatives that would mean we don't need to. 

 

Fair play to him if he gets through the next 3 games they are absolutely massive, given his away record as a manager he has to show something more than he has shown he has in the locker at present. His tenure as our manager will likely be decided in the next 3. 5 or 6 points and I think he gets the season, 3 or less I think he's probably gone.

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, sm1 said:

I can't believe anybody can watch the display today and think things  are fine, that this is our future, a team spending majority of the time camped outside their own penalty area with 11 men behind the ball, ceding 70% of territory to their opponents. Away to Arsenal it was understandable, but home to a bottom half PL team. We've conceded something like 120+ shots already this season. Irrespective of the result today, the current tactics are unsustainable. Personally I'm clearer then ever that Cooper isn't good enough and we need to part ways.

BuT We ArE a NeWlY PrOmOtEd TeAm, wItH a RuBbIsH AvErAgE tEaM wHo PlAyEd a WoRlD ClAsS BoUrNeMoUtH…..AyEwDiNhO iS oUr BeSt PlAyEr…… O_o

[Pliskin]

1 minute ago, Iwebema said:

Certainly felt like we won inspite of him today. His in game management is nothing short of atrocious.

 

The positives for now is the players are working hard for him, and the hope for Cooper has to be that they stay with him, because the moment they turn, we are going to get absolutely battered playing like this.

 

I think the frustrating thing for me is we are better than he makes us out to be, we have seen in pockets what we can be if he would just get out of his own way, he is making everything 10 times harder than it needs to be.

 

The first half was really good, not without fault, but a good step in the right direction and then he reverts back to the style that's cost us points in every game and if we are honest with ourselves we got lucky in the end, but it didn't need to be like that, we more than matched them, so why change it, why tell the team to sit so deep, it's just not a sustainable way of playing.

 

I do believe for now that he can just about keep us up, but I believe that is completely entrenched in the players not turning on him, we won't be winning points by anything other than hard work playing like this, and we are certainly going to need to keep riding our luck.

 

Right now as it stands we are better than saints, palace, Ipswich, wolves and Everton imo, but its very close and a couple of managerial changes could easily see us slip behind them.

I think from reading around most of the "cooper out" is based upon the opinion it doesn't need to be this difficult, playing chicken with that bottom 6 is very risky and there are alternatives that would mean we don't need to. 

 

Fair play to him if he gets through the next 3 games they are absolutely massive, given his away record as a manager he has to show something more than he has shown he has in the locker at present. His tenure as our manager will likely be decided in the next 3. 5 or 6 points and I think he gets the season, 3 or less I think he's probably gone.

Perfect way of describing it. 

[shailen]

I don't know what people are expecting to be frank.

 

We've lost to Arsenal, Fulham and Villa.

Drawn against Everton, Palace and Spurs.

Beaten Bournemouth.

 

That's not actually a bad return from those games. His style is defensive and pragmatic but we haven't got the squad to be anything but fighting relegation this season. If we had Maresca still, I reckon we'd have a lower points total, so we have to face reality a little imo.

[MGLCFC]

3 minutes ago, shailen said:

If we had Maresca still, I reckon we'd have a lower points total

Really - think we'd have at least 9 under Maresca.

[kyleolly]

1 minute ago, shailen said:

I don't know what people are expecting to be frank.

 

We've lost to Arsenal, Fulham and Villa.

Drawn against Everton, Palace and Spurs.

Beaten Bournemouth.

 

That's not actually a bad return from those games. His style is defensive and pragmatic but we haven't got the squad to be anything but fighting relegation this season. If we had Maresca still, I reckon we'd have a lower points total, so we have to face reality a little imo.

Probably should have beat Palace being 2-0 up but apart from that can’t really complain about results can complain about performances but he’s got a job to do to keep us in the league and I think he’ll achieve that 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

17 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

Umm… didn’t Mavididi start and DCR  was on the bench? I’m no cooper fan but  make sure you place your anger in the right places.

 

13 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

I think the point is it’s either one or the other. Mavididi and Ayew or Fatawu and BDCR. At home, against a side like Bournemouth, play with your best attacking width and that should be BOTH Mavididi & Fatawu. 

Yep - that’s exactly the point!

 

Was perfectly capable of noticing who was on the pitch at any given moment 

 

 

[DezFox]

Im delighted we won today. In fairness we didn’t deserve too and we all know it. I think the squad is actually ok. I think today we won despite Steve cooper. This result covers it up. 

Edited 5 October 2024 by DezFox

[Sunbury Fox]

2 minutes ago, shailen said:

I don't know what people are expecting to be frank.

 

We've lost to Arsenal, Fulham and Villa.

Drawn against Everton, Palace and Spurs.

Beaten Bournemouth.

 

That's not actually a bad return from those games. His style is defensive and pragmatic but we haven't got the squad to be anything but fighting relegation this season. If we had Maresca still, I reckon we'd have a lower points total, so we have to face reality a little imo.

You can agree that the results have been about par but the performances have been honking in the main. Eventually our luck will run out, playing this way; it's simply not sustainable.

 

As for Maresca, he would have adapted our tactics in the PL, like he did in smashing Southampton twice last season. So, I don't agree we'd have fewer points under him. 

 

 

[The whole world smiles]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Is it? A lot worse? Worse than a team and manager that just couldn’t be arsed? That team got relegated rather pathetically. Technically yes, we had some better players in that team, but as a collective they were rubbish. 
 

This team we actually have some decent balance in it, and there seems to be a good team spirit and togetherness that we saw last season. 
 

The gulf, I don’t think is as big as people make out, all the teams you mentioned are utterly dreadful, Sheffield United were a complete mess, Luton made up the and Burnley weren’t great either. 
 

I didn’t think much to Bournemouth today, in the first half they left so much space for us to attack, yet, only one manager made changes to alter their fortunes, whilst we just sat and watch them work their way back into the game. 
 

We don’t need to play like Southampton, we just need to strike a better balance in the team, and play the players who can have an impact. Cooper has ripped all that was good about this team out, and replaced it with this absolutely horrible negative drivel, with zero creativity. 
 

Cooper will send us down, playing like this he will. What’s the point in persisting with this when we can be better? You can’t sustain something when there’s no clear plan.

 

What's the point in wasting energy whinging and moaning when you know the club are going to stick with him and he's doing enough to keep us up currently?

 

Your howling at the moon pal he's the clubs man I actually agree that we could do better but we are where we are try to enjoy it.

[oz was my hero]

52 minutes ago, pazzerfox said:

Brilliant win.  Well done Cooper!!

You're either on a wind up , or someone's stolen your S.

[The_Rorab]

1 hour ago, cropstonfox said:

Yes. I'm afraid it is the case or he would have a lot more minutes under his belt.

 

So what changed in the off-season? He was perfectly capable of playing 90 minutes regularly last season and was one of our best players, it makes no sense he suddenly wouldn't be able to without another injury in the intervening months since last season surely?

[FrankieADZ]

54 minutes ago, sm1 said:

I can't believe anybody can watch the display today and think things  are fine, that this is our future, a team spending majority of the time camped outside their own penalty area with 11 men behind the ball, ceding 70% of territory to their opponents. Away to Arsenal it was understandable, but home to a bottom half PL team. We've conceded something like 120+ shots already this season. Irrespective of the result today, the current tactics are unsustainable. Personally I'm clearer then ever that Cooper isn't good enough and we need to part ways.

first half i thought we was decent on the whole but second half, my god how can anyone say that was good, we won but it feels like paper over the cracks sort of thing. hes not learning or learnt anything at all, it was plain as day we needed a change or changes around the 60min mark, but hes just on the sideline gorming 

he doesnt seem like a pro-active manager at all, more of a reactive one, all due respect to Ayew but at times he doesnt offer much in terms of attacking threat at all, expect for winning free kicks, for me we look for more dangerous when we have a attacking trio of Facudo, Mav and Fatawu

[indierich06]

49 minutes ago, shailen said:

I don't know what people are expecting to be frank.

 

We've lost to Arsenal, Fulham and Villa.

Drawn against Everton, Palace and Spurs.

Beaten Bournemouth.

 

That's not actually a bad return from those games. His style is defensive and pragmatic but we haven't got the squad to be anything but fighting relegation this season. If we had Maresca still, I reckon we'd have a lower points total, so we have to face reality a little imo.

I disagree with the Maresca comment - I feel he'd probably be doing slightly better, not amazing, but he probably wins the Palace game, maybe the Everton game. 

 

The results aren't particularly the problem at the minute - they're ok, they're not terrible. The main issues are the things everyone can see - the bad game management, bad subs, the lack of any discernible game plan or tactics outside of ultra defensive setups. 

 

The numbers point to a side that is creating very little and conceding a lot of possession, shots and chances, but is currently being carried through by individual quality - but that can't and won't last forever.

 

To me that suggests that what's happening at the minute is happening in spite of the manager rather than because of him, and that's a worrying place to be.