Cooper - OUT

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

Mourinho is having the mother of all meltdowns. He just did an 8 minutes post match rant on the state of Turkish football and refs. He clearly wants ro get fired. He did recently say he wants to come back to the Premier League and manage a lower end club.

 

Get him in!!!!!

He has said that he was joking about managing a lower end club. His ego wouldn’t allow him to. Although he is running out of any top sides in the pl taking him on. 

[hejammy]

1 hour ago, Koke said:

Mourinho is having the mother of all meltdowns. He just did an 8 minutes post match rant on the state of Turkish football and refs. He clearly wants ro get fired. He did recently say he wants to come back to the Premier League and manage a lower end club.

 

Get him in!!!!!

Honestly, this would be a disaster, how much experience does he have in a relegation battle? 

[Wymsey]

13 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

He has said that he was joking about managing a lower end club. His ego wouldn’t allow him to. Although he is running out of any top sides in the pl taking him on. 

If he ever came back, West Ham would probably be a good fit for him - no real threat of relegation, decent budget etc.

Edited 4 November 2024 by Wymsey

[winteriscoming]

1 minute ago, Wymsey said:

If he ever came back, West Ham would probably be a good fit for him - no real threat of relegation, decent budget etc.

Yes. Another London club. Or I could see him being tempted by Newcastle. 

[FoxTimmy2]

3 hours ago, fleckneymike said:

A lot of these points, our own @StriderHiryu has pointed out. Specifically with Vestergaard, and Cooper not making the right tactical decisions. Winks, meanwhile, seems to be running mostly on muscle memory from Enzoball.

[Sly]

7 hours ago, Electric Yetis said:

https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/history/manager-statistics/

 

Lower than every other Premier League Manager we’ve had then 

[Lambert09]

6 hours ago, Koke said:

Mourinho is having the mother of all meltdowns. He just did an 8 minutes post match rant on the state of Turkish football and refs. He clearly wants ro get fired. He did recently say he wants to come back to the Premier League and manage a lower end club.

 

Get him in!!!!!

Jose’s a legend, but I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the club tbh. 

 

The way he digs everyone out when things aren’t going well for him is truly toxic. 

[Daggers]

 

On 02/11/2024 at 20:58, Jattdogg said:

Side note,  I would take trump winning if it meant this man got sacked lol.

Boy is this going to be a rough week for you.

[Jattdogg]

26 minutes ago, Daggers said:

 

Boy is this going to be a rough week for you.

Not really bothered. Expecting the worst either way.

[The Doctor]

2 hours ago, Sly said:

Lower than every other Premier League Manager we’ve had then 

much as I support this attempt to deny the existence of Dave Bassett, no he's not the lowest PL manager we've had

[sylofox]

On 03/11/2024 at 23:27, ClaphamFox said:

The money received from Chelsea for KDH and Maresca would have brought us very close to complying. We’ll either have just avoided a breach or breached by a small

margin. So either no deduction at all or a small one. 

The problem we have is the three Yr total. The 89m loss is what's going to bite us.

 

It won't be a small deduction as we've made them look stupid. I see another legal battle coming.

 

[ClaphamFox]

15 minutes ago, sylofox said:

The problem we have is the three Yr total. The 89m loss is what's going to bite us.

 

It won't be a small deduction as we've made them look stupid. I see another legal battle coming.

 

I am aware that it is the total over three years that counts. I’m saying that we will have either narrowly avoided a breach for 2021-24 or breached by a small amount. That seems to be the general consensus, even among the media outlets that have been hostile to us on this issue.

 

If it turns out that we’ve breached by £2-3 million, I’d love to see the PL argue for a major points deduction when Forest only got four points for breaching by £34.5m. I’m not sure that “Yeah it’s massively over the top but they did make us look stupid before” carries much legal weight. And the sanction isn’t up to the PL anyway - it’s determined by an independent legal panel. 
 

I have a feeling we’ll have just avoided a breach. But if it turns out we’ve marginally breached, we’ll get maximum two-point deduction. 
 

 

[Daggers]

3 hours ago, Jattdogg said:

Not really bothered. Expecting the worst either way.

Leicester fan right there

[justfoxes]

Trouble is we can moan all the fuch we want but are the club going to listen to us, Rudkin probably thinks he’s doing a great job and is too bothered in how much it will cost city now to get rid of him rather in the long run with us going back down and I’m sure the EPL are rubbing their hands together hoping we go down so they can hit us with a few sanctions !!

[Pliskin]

59 minutes ago, justfoxes said:

Trouble is we can moan all the fuch we want but are the club going to listen to us, Rudkin probably thinks he’s doing a great job and is too bothered in how much it will cost city now to get rid of him rather in the long run with us going back down and I’m sure the EPL are rubbing their hands together hoping we go down so they can hit us with a few sanctions !!

Not everyone on the board is convinced by him. Let’s say he’s not going to be given the same leeway as Rodgers was….

[coolhandfox]

6 hours ago, Sly said:

Lower than every other Premier League Manager we’ve had then 

Dave Basset only won 3 games in 26 in 02/03 and only took 17 points at 0.65 ppg.

Mark McGhee only won 3 in 24 in 94/95 and only took  16 points as 0.66 ppg 

[Happy Fox]

16 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Not everyone on the board is convinced by him. Let’s say he’s not going to be given the same leeway as Rodgers was….

 

This is reassuring!, hopefully he goes soon.

[Eskay]

14 hours ago, fleckneymike said:

Thanks for sharing this.

 

I think the key thing for me this season (barring the RB position issues) is the underperformance of the wing positions. I think compared to last season, Mavididi's level has dropped massively. Abdul when given the starting role has not been at the same level either.

 

The replacements that come in have then not been good either so there is essentially no competition for those places. 

 

When they have been so wasteful it essentially cuts off all supply to the striker(s) and the ball is constantly coming back.

 

Last season, we had Wanya start and even chip in with a goal or 2. Kasey started well and you had Mav and Abdul waiting in the wings. Equally when Abdul was flying, Mav would be left totally unmarked and we also had midfielders trying to get into the box for the header. 

 

Even if we solve 1 of the wing positions to become a threat I am convinced other things could fall into place in attack.

 

Our wingers are stinking the place out.

[ClaphamFox]

20 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Not everyone on the board is convinced by him. Let’s say he’s not going to be given the same leeway as Rodgers was….

It's amazing how often what happened with Rodgers is cited as a reason why the board will dither over Cooper. If we slip into the bottom three and the threat of relegation becomes very real, they'll sack him. The real question is how they'll respond if we continue to stumble along unconvincingly while picking up enough points here or there to stay in 15th/16th...

[pmcla26]

14 minutes ago, Eskay said:

Thanks for sharing this.

 

I think the key thing for me this season (barring the RB position issues) is the underperformance of the wing positions. I think compared to last season, Mavididi's level has dropped massively. Abdul when given the starting role has not been at the same level either.

 

The replacements that come in have then not been good either so there is essentially no competition for those places. 

 

When they have been so wasteful it essentially cuts off all supply to the striker(s) and the ball is constantly coming back.

 

Last season, we had Wanya start and even chip in with a goal or 2. Kasey started well and you had Mav and Abdul waiting in the wings. Equally when Abdul was flying, Mav would be left totally unmarked and we also had midfielders trying to get into the box for the header. 

 

Even if we solve 1 of the wing positions to become a threat I am convinced other things could fall into place in attack.

 

Our wingers are stinking the place out.

I think it's how they're being used, last season they were allowed to get higher and wider and the overloads we created through the centre would often mean 2 things - firstly, they often only had to beat one player as the winger would be tracking a full-back into the centre of the pitch or one of our 8's into the box, and secondly, that because of the amount of players centrally or attacking the box they had more passing options when coming inside. 

[Pliskin]

3 hours ago, ClaphamFox said:

It's amazing how often what happened with Rodgers is cited as a reason why the board will dither over Cooper. If we slip into the bottom three and the threat of relegation becomes very real, they'll sack him. The real question is how they'll respond if we continue to stumble along unconvincingly while picking up enough points here or there to stay in 15th/16th...

I know…. You can understand why they wanted to hold onto Rodgers. He delivered the FA cup, a trophy we’ve lusted after since its inception, and produced some memorable football along the way. We can argue until we’re blue in the face about his demise but he had credit in the bank. 
 

Cooper was very much a back up option, they wanted Potter, he was the number one target, it didn’t materialise so it then fell to Cooper. The club have not lost any ambition,  despite what some fans may think Top and co still very much want the future of the club to be w progressive one. 
 

They won’t stand for much more mediocrity, they may be fairly chipper at the moment to leave him in post because we have daylight between us and the bottom three, but that’s almost certainly going to change over the next run of games. 
 

What I really do want from the board is use a bit of foresight, be proactive….. we’re ten games in plus a pre season, and Cooper still hasn’t got a clue what to do in terms of tactics, players and formations…… if he hasn’t fathomed this after ten games plus a pre season, will he ever? I doubt it. I just don’t want to be in a situation where we end up in the bottom three and then get rid of him…… perhaps they’ve earmarked the next I/N break to make a decision. As he would have had ample time to make an impact. 

Edited 5 November 2024 by Pliskin

[Happy Fox]

39 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I know…. You can understand why they wanted to hold onto Rodgers. He delivered the FA cup, a trophy we’ve lusted after since its inception, and produced some memorable football along the way. We can argue until we’re blue in the face about his demise but he had credit in the bank. 
 

Cooper was very much a back up option, they wanted Potter, he was the number one target, it didn’t materialise so it then fell to Cooper. The club have not lost any ambition,  despite what some fans may think Top and co still very much want the future of the club to be w progressive one. 
 

They won’t stand for much more mediocrity, they may be fairly chipper at the moment to leave him in post because we have daylight between us and the bottom three, but that’s almost certainly going to change over the next run of games. 
 

What I really do with the board would do is use a bit of foresight, be proactive….. we’re ten games in plus a pre season, and Cooper still hasn’t got a clue what to do in terms of tactics, players and formations…… if he hasn’t fathomed this after ten games plus a pre season, will he ever? I doubt it. I just don’t want to be in a situation where we end up in the bottom three and then get rid of him…… perhaps they’ve earmarked the next I/N break to make a decision. As he would have had ample time to make an impact. 

 

 

Questions are why did it not materialise, was it due to a) Potter wanted his own DOF? therefore Rudkin out of the picture?

 

Ambition is one thing, but it seems to me that's not the case, the likes of Bournemouth / Brighton have surpassed us off and on the pitch not to mention the Redshite! why go for Cooper as a back up option that screams lack of ambition in the short term unless the club are hoping he's here for one season and then go for a better quality manager if we stay up?, but that's a risk because tbqh he's not good enough at this level and the stats back it up.

[sharpylcfc]

8 hours ago, Sly said:

Lower than every other Premier League Manager we’ve had then 

Even Peter Taylor has a better win percentage and we know how that turned out 

[Pliskin]

14 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

 

Questions are why did it not materialise, was it due to a) Potter wanted his own DOF? therefore Rudkin out of the picture?

 

Ambition is one thing, but it seems to me that's not the case, the likes of Bournemouth / Brighton have surpassed us off and on the pitch not to mention the Redshite! why go for Cooper as a back up option that screams lack of ambition in the short term unless the club are hoping he's here for one season and then go for a better quality manager if we stay up?, but that's a risk because tbqh he's not good enough at this level and the stats back it up.

I think with Potter it was simple as de didn’t want it in the end….. possibly some issues with backroom staff, but I don’t believe the rumours he didn’t want to work with Rudkin. 
 

What we’ve got to remember is, the picture looked a whole lot different in the summer. We were possibly confident we wouldn’t get a deduction, but, they didn’t know for sure…. Cooper made sense financially, and given his record with Forest would possibly be ideal for a dog fight. 
 

I think we all expected a points deduction and most of us were fairly comfortable with, Cooper based on the fact it looked to be a tough season and he may have been up for the dog fight…… but board had to made a decision based on all of those facts, and Cooper seemed to be a fairly good choice… attempt to scrape survival, and then reassess in the summer…..

 

Its just so happens the situation has changed dramatically…. Cooper was appointed for damage limitation, and this is no longer necessary.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

It's amazing how often what happened with Rodgers is cited as a reason why the board will dither over Cooper. If we slip into the bottom three and the threat of relegation becomes very real, they'll sack him. The real question is how they'll respond if we continue to stumble along unconvincingly while picking up enough points here or there to stay in 15th/16th...

If he does that, as much I dont think he is the right choice, there is no need to sack him. If he flukes it, let it be. 

 

To be honest, I think that is what the board hopes will happen. i also think that is what the board hoped would happen under Rodgers - get to the summer, let's have some time. It highlights the lack of foresight in our board but we have live with that. They need time to act rather than being decisive.