brucey Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 12 minutes ago, Bilo said: I don't disagree that safe routes, like those in France, could get overwhelmed. It’s fair to ask whether a legal system like this might attract more people—genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants alike. But the reality is, many of these people are already trying to come here, whether through dangerous crossings or by relying on smugglers. A system like this wouldn’t so much increase demand as offer a safer, better alternative to what’s already happening. By working with partner countries and setting clear eligibility rules, we’d be able to manage the numbers while also reducing the chaos and danger of illegal routes. Now, onto the two-week processing time. I get why you’re sceptical—it’s a bold claim, and we know asylum cases can be really complicated. For it to work, the government would need to throw serious resources at it—more staff, better systems, and proper pre-screening in places like France. Could every case be wrapped up in two weeks? Probably not, especially the tricky ones. But for simpler cases—like people who’ve already got their paperwork in order—it might be doable. And even if some take longer, having a faster process overall would mean less waiting, fewer people stuck in limbo, and a big dent in the backlog. An alternative could be an agreement that asylum seekers are held in that country while the claim is processed; both countries could support the applicant in terms of living expenses etc. You also make a good point about people who still arrive undocumented. Even with legal routes, not everyone’s going to play by the rules, and some will still risk dangerous crossings. But this approach tries to tackle that by making it clear that if you don’t use the legal route, your claim won’t be considered. That creates a big incentive to stick to the system. It won’t stop illegal crossings entirely—nothing will—but it would reduce them, especially if the legal alternative is seen as fair and efficient. In terms of asylum seekers working, I understand your concerns. Especially around things like security checks and pensions. But those issues can be managed. Security checks would still happen as part of the application process, and most asylum seekers aren’t a threat—they’re people trying to escape awful situations. As for pensions, there are ways to handle contributions temporarily until their status is resolved. Letting people work doesn’t just help them support themselves—it also helps them integrate, contributes to the economy, and cuts down on the need for state support. It’s hard to see how that’s a bad thing. Finally, your point about tackling the black market is spot on. The exploitation of asylum seekers and vulnerable people is a huge problem, and cracking down on dodgy employers needs to be part of the solution. If asylum seekers are allowed to work legally, they’re far less likely to end up in unsafe, exploitative jobs. And better enforcement against the black market would mean fewer opportunities for illegal activity to thrive. All in all, you’ve raised some fair concerns, and none of this is simple. But with the right resources, safeguards, and a bit of common sense, this kind of system could work. It’s about creating something that’s fair, humane, and efficient—both for the people seeking safety and for the country itself. This is ChatGPT isn't it. 1
Bilo Posted 5 January Posted 5 January 38 minutes ago, brucey said: This is ChatGPT isn't it. 😂 Just me waffling on a Sunday night.
Daggers Posted 6 January Author Posted 6 January 6 hours ago, Skidmark said: As someone who has the same condition, (diagnosed as a teenager) I see a lot of my self in this sort of behaviour. It’s not though. It’s down to him being bored and spending far too much time inflicting Twitter and YouTube algorithms upon himself. I’ve noted the same behaviour in a few posters on here as their posts have become ever more tinged and odd. People could really do with turning things off and getting out more. 2
Bilo Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Musk is just an overgrown, spoiled toddler who has had things go his way all his life and never been told 'no.' He's never had to struggle, compromise or negotiate. This means even slight disagreement sends him into meltdown. Trump is exactly the same. They'll be a disastrous mix in a spectacularly inept administration. 4
leicsmac Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 32 minutes ago, Bilo said: Musk is just an overgrown, spoiled toddler who has had things go his way all his life and never been told 'no.' He's never had to struggle, compromise or negotiate. This means even slight disagreement sends him into meltdown. Trump is exactly the same. They'll be a disastrous mix in a spectacularly inept administration. Unfortunately given current circumstances, ineptitude may end up having the same or similar consequences to flat-out malice. 1
davieG Posted 6 January Posted 6 January NHS Community Hubs the latest solution to resolve problems with the NHS. It’s frustrating when you see that this is in effect Community Hospitals which previous governments and NHS Management closed down as they centralised all the facilities against the wishes of the public. 1
Lionator Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Dunno if it counts as news but the flooding situation around the county is extremely serious, please be careful
jgtuk Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 31 minutes ago, Sampson said: Political discourse in the 2020s: Is this real? I’m not on Twitter and I’m aware of lots of misinformation and AI generated nonsense people keep repeating (mostly my boomer neighbours).
BKLFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 36 minutes ago, Sampson said: Political discourse in the 2020s: 52nd State after Canada
Sampson Posted 6 January Posted 6 January (edited) 14 minutes ago, jgtuk said: Is this real? I’m not on Twitter and I’m aware of lots of misinformation and AI generated nonsense people keep repeating (mostly my boomer neighbours). It is sadly real and journalists have genuinely just asked Starmer about it in a press conference. This is sadly the 2020s in our timeline. Edited 6 January by Sampson 1
urban.spaceman Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 hour ago, Sampson said: Political discourse in the 2020s: Who’s winning
Zear0 Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 14 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Who’s winning As if you need to ask... 1
Dunge Posted 6 January Posted 6 January (edited) 26 minutes ago, Zear0 said: As if you need to ask... Like anyone’s going to bother to vote No. Edited 6 January by Dunge
LCFCCHRIS Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Elon has become more and more unhinged, fueled through his large massaged ego and has now become full bond villan as others have said. I already disliked the bloke but now he's becoming really insufferable getting involved in UK affairs.
CosbehFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 hour ago, Sampson said: Political discourse in the 2020s: Says the South African.
Jattdogg Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Isnt this an administration that doesn't want any wars? You know bring the troops home, maga. Musk is a dip shit tosser who needs to be knocked out. Sounds like a little brat.
Popular Post Bilo Posted 6 January Popular Post Posted 6 January Fair play to Starmer, mind. Just eviscerated Musk and his terminally online, basement dwelling lemmings at the presser. He's actually an underrated politician when he has a little fire in his belly. 5 1
BenTheFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January It really angers me that Reform are able to brand themselves as an 'anti-elite', 'anti-establishment' or 'anti-corporate' party whilst twerking for donations from the richest man in the world with pretty much no push back from our journalist class. 3
Bilo Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 1 minute ago, BenTheFox said: It really angers me that Reform are able to brand themselves as an 'anti-elite', 'anti-establishment' or 'anti-corporate' party whilst twerking for donations from the richest man in the world with pretty much no push back from our journalist class. This does appear to have hurt them, though. Farage has been made to look ridiculous, there is a disconnect between the MPs and the members and courting a nutter like Musk has raised questions about ethics and judgement they'll struggle to answer. Labour had antisemitism, the Tories had Europe, the Lib Dems had tuition fees. Unless they get a handle on this, Reform will see the Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk row as similarly damaging.
filbertway Posted 6 January Posted 6 January Gotta say, I use twitter every day and manage to avoid this mad sh*t that people seem to see I feel like people are going on there to actively have their jimmies rustled. I just see dogs and football stuff, like a proper intellectual. 1
reporterpenguin Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 27 minutes ago, Bilo said: Farage has been made to look ridiculous He didn't need much help with that to be fair
Dr The Singh Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 2 hours ago, Sampson said: Political discourse in the 2020s: I voted YES 2
BenTheFox Posted 6 January Posted 6 January 28 minutes ago, Bilo said: This does appear to have hurt them, though. Farage has been made to look ridiculous, there is a disconnect between the MPs and the members and courting a nutter like Musk has raised questions about ethics and judgement they'll struggle to answer. Labour had antisemitism, the Tories had Europe, the Lib Dems had tuition fees. Unless they get a handle on this, Reform will see the Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk row as similarly damaging. Farage is doing the right thing in distancing himself from Tommy Robinson. The Tommy Robinson headbangers have nowhere to go other than Reform and if he does endorse him it could alienate millions of more moderate voters who he needs to get anywhere near winning an election. He's just made himself look pathetic by sucking up to Musk.
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