Oliver Skipp Confirmed

[LCFCJohn]

31 minutes ago, jv1 said:

Not even sure that constitutes a response- guess your one of the happy ones 

I’m messing to be fair, thought the emoji would have let that on…..

 

I’m as pleased as I can be given the circumstances. I hate what the club has become and want serious change from ownership downwards. That won’t happen overnight and I certainly don’t want us to drop to League 1. So in the short term, I am pleased the embarrassing clean sheet record and 2 months without win are off our back and we might be looking more positive for the remainder of what has been a completely miserable season. Perhaps relieved is a better word than pleased.

 

As for Skipp, we massively overpaid of course. But it is about building a team and not a collection of individuals so I have a lot more time for him than many of our other players.

[Graceroad]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

I’m messing to be fair, thought the emoji would have let that on…..

 

I’m as pleased as I can be given the circumstances. I hate what the club has become and want serious change from ownership downwards. That won’t happen overnight and I certainly don’t want us to drop to League 1. So in the short term, I am pleased the embarrassing clean sheet record and 2 months without win are off our back and we might be looking more positive for the remainder of what has been a completely miserable season. Perhaps relieved is a better word than pleased.

 

As for Skipp, we massively overpaid of course. But it is about building a team and not a collection of individuals so I have a lot more time for him than many of our other players.

Considering  we paid 18M for Soumaré  17 for Praet  22 for Daka 30 for Perez and paid 12 for Ward after 2 Matches for Liverpool not sure we did overpay  for Skipp 20M isn't that much money these days.

[LCFCJohn]

6 minutes ago, Graceroad said:

Considering  we paid 18M for Soumaré  17 for Praet  22 for Daka 30 for Perez and paid 12 for Ward after 2 Matches for Liverpool not sure we did overpay  for Skipp 20M isn't that much money these days.

I mean they were worse overpays agreed. Skipp still an overpay. The question is whether you can quickly move a player on at any point without taking a financial loss. We’ve had many many signings over the last however many years where that is not the case and they end up on loan and ultimately leave on frees. Currently you’d struggle to get a taker for Skipp who’d cover what we still owe so it was still an overpay. 

[ts_1010]

As with all things, context is everything.

 

If he has 3 or 4 more years here playing well as he has this season, then the price tag doesn't matter in the long run.

 

But if you view him in the context of him being the most expensive player in our promotion campaign, when we were probably more lacking in other areas, then yeah he probably was a bad/overpriced purchase.

 

It's not his fault he's got that price tag, and the lad we have in the club at the moment is one of the few to come out of this season with any credit. So I don't think it's for to hold it against him.

 

 

[murphy]

2 hours ago, ts_1010 said:

As with all things, context is everything.

 

If he has 3 or 4 more years here playing well as he has this season, then the price tag doesn't matter in the long run.

 

But if you view him in the context of him being the most expensive player in our promotion campaign, when we were probably more lacking in other areas, then yeah he probably was a bad/overpriced purchase.

 

It's not his fault he's got that price tag, and the lad we have in the club at the moment is one of the few to come out of this season with any credit. So I don't think it's for to hold it against him.

 

 

Being OK in the Championship and failing to pull up any trees is not good enough for a marquee signing, signed to play in the Premier League.  He is far from the worst offender but there is no way he comes out of this season with any credit in my opinion.  There's no 'probably' about it, he was a terrible buy and vastly overpriced.

[ACF]

8 hours ago, Walshy5 said:

Always seems to play better when Winks isn't starting.

Seems to me that at the moment, James and Skipp to win the game, then Winks to see out the game, when we’ve got control. Skipp works his bollocks off and James creates more chances and chances in the opposition box. Winks is somewhere in between and whilst it’s not as if he’s bad at either, balance wise we seem to work better.

 

Skipp James Mukasa has a nice balance to it.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

I feel Pearson would rate him. Which is pretty much the highest praise I can offer.

[dannythefox]

12 hours ago, Graceroad said:

Considering  we paid 18M for Soumaré  17 for Praet  22 for Daka 30 for Perez and paid 12 for Ward after 2 Matches for Liverpool not sure we did overpay  for Skipp 20M isn't that much money these days.

It is when he’s worth half that. 

[everton carr]

18 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I genuinely don’t think there would be any criticism of skipp if we’d paid the 8m he’s worth and was worth in the market. 
 

Poor lad is a victim of the levy/Rudkin combo haha 

Sadly we are not in 2005 anymore Regardless of the fact he's been average for the most part Skipps cv Over 100 games for a top 6 side played in CL championship winner with Norwich making PFA team of the season  only 24 20M not that overpriced.We sold McAteer for 14M who done nothing apart from.a few good games in the championship when we got promoted.

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, everton carr said:

Sadly we are not in 2005 anymore Regardless of the fact he's been average for the most part Skipps cv Over 100 games for a top 6 side played in CL championship winner with Norwich making PFA team of the season  only 24 20M not that overpriced.We sold McAteer for 14M who done nothing apart from.a few good games in the championship when we got promoted.

I get your point but it’s still hugely overpriced. I think they would have happily taken 10m but knew how to play us. 
 

Theres no world where we should have been getting that for Kacey either. and in the same breath I think we’d have been happy with half. 
 

Man city manage to sign the worlds best talent for not a lot more than we paid for skipp (22m total I believe). But that’s exactly why you don’t try and sign squad players from a club like spurs 

[ParkerPen]

the problem with Skipp's fee as well is that you also imagine he comes with a large wage bill, coming from a bigger side

[Trav Le Bleu]

12 hours ago, ACF said:

.

 

Skipp James Mukasa has a nice balance to it.

Our captain next season? Ol' Jimmy Muk.

[ts_1010]

I'm not a massive fan of Skipp by any stretch. But he's risen up in my estimation of him during the course of this season. 

 

We have a team full of players who don't seem to want to run for the team, to get stuck in, to graft. Skipp is one of very few exceptions to that. He's not worth £22m or whatever we paid for him, but it's not like he decided the value of his fee.

 

Blaming Skipp because John Ruskin turned up to negotiations with Daniel Levy, with a ball gag in his mouth. Or because Steve Cooper binned our list of targets and demanded Prem experienced grafters, and ugly football, is a bit silly to me.

[murphy]

21 hours ago, Graceroad said:

Considering  we paid 18M for Soumaré  17 for Praet  22 for Daka 30 for Perez and paid 12 for Ward after 2 Matches for Liverpool not sure we did overpay  for Skipp 20M isn't that much money these days.

You are a listing a pattern of failure there, not market values.  None of those are worth what we paid for them.

[lcfc sheff]

I am sorry but I can never like a player who has cost us so much! 
 

like having your kitchen done for £20k and it’s all scratched. Yes it’s functional but **** me would it kill me inside 

[Big_Nige]

You can never blame a player for the fee, whatever we paid for Skipp is down to the club. He don’t set his own transfer fee. Blame the club not the player
 

My issue with Skipp as a footballer is two-fold. One on the club and one on the player

 

Last summer we spent the majority of our available transfer budget on a 5th defensive midfielder. Now if that purchase is someone who immediately improves that area, and we move on some of the other players who play in the position then fine. But we didn’t. Last summer we stock piled midfielders who offered no attacking output when we should have been investing in a centre forward. Not Skipps fault, but woeful transfer strategy from the club

 

When we have the ball he hides. Running around and getting stuck in is the absolute minimum I’d expect from any player. To be fair to Skipp he’s been one of the only players who has consistently “ran around” and that last minute block against Middlesbrough the other week when he was running on fumes epitomises the good part of his game. But……when we have the ball he doesn't do enough for me, he doesn't give an option to the centre backs, he doesn’t support the attack, and if he does get the ball he doesn’t progress it. Only passing backwards or sideways taking the easiest option time and time again. Now on Tuesday against Bristol City he didn’t shy away, and he played some lovely football at times. This is the Skipp I want to see, easily man of the match.
 

I’ve not hated what I’ve seen from him this season, but let’s not call a sow’s ear a purse. I want to see him take more responsibility, I don’t want to see him holding hands with an opposition midfielder when we have the ball. I want him to make space and start dictating the play and I want to see him consistently do this. Then he’ll complete the redemption arc for me 

 

 

[dmayne7]

54 minutes ago, lcfc sheff said:

I am sorry but I can never like a player who has cost us so much! 
 

like having your kitchen done for £20k and it’s all scratched. Yes it’s functional but **** me would it kill me inside 

It's like getting your kitchen done by a franchise/corporation, overpaying for it massively and expecting the guys doing the fitting to knock off a big chunk of the fee. At the same time they've fit it to the specifications you asked for and worked very hard.

 

In other words, that analogy makes no sense. People need to separate the finances from Skipp himself. Crap deal in the context of the fee and what we needed last year, but he's been one of the very few players to emerge with any credit this year and certainly can't fault the effort. Not his fault we paid what we did/or are paying him over the odds. Him and JJ alongside each other all season long would have us much higher up the table

[Chelmofox]

4 hours ago, lcfc sheff said:

I am sorry but I can never like a player who has cost us so much! 
 

like having your kitchen done for £20k and it’s all scratched. Yes it’s functional but **** me would it kill me inside 

Does your kitchen have a nice little bald spot?

[lcfc sheff]

12 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

It's like getting your kitchen done by a franchise/corporation, overpaying for it massively and expecting the guys doing the fitting to knock off a big chunk of the fee. At the same time they've fit it to the specifications you asked for and worked very hard.

 

In other words, that analogy makes no sense. People need to separate the finances from Skipp himself. Crap deal in the context of the fee and what we needed last year, but he's been one of the very few players to emerge with any credit this year and certainly can't fault the effort. Not his fault we paid what we did/or are paying him over the odds. Him and JJ alongside each other all season long would have us much higher up the table

I just don’t agree with the skipp fan club, passion or running around excitedly will never ever make up for it

[lcfc sheff]

8 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Does your kitchen have a nice little bald spot?

Don’t even get me started on the hair, I said he should shave it before and got barked at saying it’ll affect his mental health!

[Les-TA-Jon]

18 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

I get your point but it’s still hugely overpriced. I think they would have happily taken 10m but knew how to play us. 
 

Theres no world where we should have been getting that for Kacey either. and in the same breath I think we’d have been happy with half. 
 

Man city manage to sign the worlds best talent for not a lot more than we paid for skipp (22m total I believe). But that’s exactly why you don’t try and sign squad players from a club like spurs 

Most of Man City's signings are £50-60m+? 

[Katy]

I will hear no Skipp slander.

[AKCJ]

Moving him from an 8 to a 6 has brought the best out of him.

 

He's not a £20m player all of a sudden, don't get me wrong. But he and James make a solid partnership at this level.

[AKCJ]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Most of Man City's signings are £50-60m+? 

They signed Donnarumma and Guehi for that sort of money in fairness.

 

But obviously they're paying roughly £500k a week for the pair in wages.

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Most of Man City's signings are £50-60m+? 

35 is 30m gbp so not a lot more than an olly skipp lol.  Man city tend to get decent deals done in terms of transfer cost. It’s their wages and agent fees that tend to be insane. But then again so are ours 
 

but for whatever reason, club to club they are pretty good aside from the occasional panic push 

Edited 13 March by Lambert09