Football in it's current version

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Really odd that there were two periods in our history where the correct decisions at board level could have seen us completely cement our position in at least the top 10 of the Premier League perhaps forever, but instead, two completely different types of owners have made equally dogshit decision that have took us backwards.

 

If Elsom had given the job to Walsh and Cottee instead of Taylor.....

[Mike Oxlong]

3 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

do you know who the real victims are, the sh*t kids at football. 

 

When I was growing up, if you weren’t good technically good but loved the game, you switched to play defence where you could just be told “if in doubt get it out”. Now days that’s not a thing and those who just have a passion for the game, will struggle to fit in a side.

 

I don’t think I personally would have developed as a player if my coaches had always been obsessed with that way of playing the game. I almost certainly would have dropped out before I could have learnt. I developed the technical side of my game later in life 

That could be a direct quote from Dummies for Flashers 

[lfu]

For those unenamoured with modern Premier League football and the Super League Six, I highly recommend the Bundesliga (outside of Bayern Munich) and the 2. Bundesliga. Often entertaining games with end-to-end football, raucous atmospheres and great fan culture.

I've been following Kaiserslautern as a second team since 2017/18

[mancunianfox]

2 hours ago, Stadt said:

The quality is far higher nowadays. Watch a game from 15 years ago and you’ll be surprised at just how shit it is.

I don't get this, I think the premier league is borderline unwatchable now.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Pep ball bores the hell out of me and verges on anti football. The modern big club is more about global capital than it is 11 blokes playing football. Players have too much power and money and a lot of them seem more interested in social media and their haircuts than playing. The match day experience at the likes of Man City is tailored towards the tourist. It’s so unbelievable naff and a joke. But one day those who experienced football pre 2005 (arbitrarily chosen) won’t be around and it will all become the norm and accepted. Really depressing… but at least we stuck one up at them all in 15-16 with our more

modest approach.

Edited 30 September 2024 by Wasyls Pec Deck

[whoareyaaa]

52 minutes ago, Vowels said:

It’s the great beans/spaghetti debate over and over and over and over ( like a primate  with a little pair of pan lids ) 

Beans and spaghetti  

[Stadt]

2 minutes ago, mancunianfox said:

I don't get this, I think the premier league is borderline unwatchable now.

There were far more loose touches, misplaced passes, bad efforts at goal, less pressing etc.

 

Gardner's goal is weird as a 2024 viewer, it looks like it's 3 on 1 at the half way line but no the West Ham defence are about 30 yards behind the play. It's entertaining but it's low quality.

 

 

I get more random games are more entertaining as there is less control but the quality its worse - it sounds like you'd be happier watching lower league football to me.

 

 

[Vowels]

6 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Beans and spaghetti  

Where do you stand on the little sausages ? 

[Chris_OGrady]

16 minutes ago, lfu said:

For those unenamoured with modern Premier League football and the Super League Six, I highly recommend the Bundesliga (outside of Bayern Munich) and the 2. Bundesliga. Often entertaining games with end-to-end football, raucous atmospheres and great fan culture.

I've been following Kaiserslautern as a second team since 2017/18

Serie A is also great for similar reasons, but doesn't have a dominant side atm. 4 different winners in the last 5 years. 

[Daggers]

5 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Is anybody else just bored with football, especially in the top flight?

 

Growing up watching football in the 90's and 2000's felt somewhat magical in comparison. Each team seemed to have their own identity and uniqueness. Every club had their characters and somewhat of a belief they could beat the big boys. Nowadays it seems like 80% of the teams simply play survival or damage limitation football, including ourselves.

 

Now my question is am I right or is nostalgia and romanticism playing a part in my thinking here. I'm not suggesting there weren't dull games back then and I know the likes of United dominated in the same way Man city do now but I just find the modern game repetitive and lacking surprises 

 

Nice cheery thread for your Monday mornings

Find a local non-league team with a decent bar and food. 

 

*NB. You'll find you stop giving a shit about KPFC and the Prem.

[Vowels]

Sometimes you have to be the wind and sometimes you have to be the tree. 

[Lonsdalefox]

Yep completely bored of the whole thing these days. FFP/VAR and a variety of other reasons just drain my interest. I would feel fairly apathatic even if we were doing well. 

[iancognito]

I wish the Super League had gone ahead and given everyone else a more even playing field.

 

With the right manager and mindset you can definitely compete (Villa under Gerrard Vs Villa under Emry for example) but it seems every owner values position over cup wins and every manager wants to play like Pep.

 

And that's not fun for anyone.

 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Don't really watch the PL anymore, will watch the occasaional big games like United vs. City etc. but not always.

 

I'm finding myself going LCFC less and less. Haven't bothered watching a couple of games this season, Fulham, Arsenal, and only been Everton and Walsall.

 

I went the same with F1 after Hamilton vs. Max incident 3/4 years ago and have only just started watching bits of it again in the past couple of weeks.

 

I think as you get older you realise a lot of these sports as closed shops, the winners are usually out a pool of 2 or 3 people/teams, and nothing will ever change that. Once you start thinking like that you start to ask yourself why do I bother watching, it'll be the same every week and every season.

 

Football has pretty much been my only hobby for about 10 years, so replacing it isn't easy.

[mancunianfox]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

There were far more loose touches, misplaced passes, bad efforts at goal, less pressing etc.

 

Gardner's goal is weird as a 2024 viewer, it looks like it's 3 on 1 at the half way line but no the West Ham defence are about 30 yards behind the play. It's entertaining but it's low quality.

 

I get more random games are more entertaining as there is less control but the quality its worse - it sounds like you'd be happier watching lower league football to me.

 

 

Oddly enough I went to watch Rochdale a few weeks ago in the National league - they conceded a goal trying to play out from the back passing it straight to an attacker and another playing a high line and the two CB's crashing into each other so not even that level is safe from it now.

 

I get your point about that goal but could also post tonnes of recent goals and point out how strange they would look to a 2011 viewer. Yes both of these are mistakes, but those mistakes happened because of choices to set teams up in a way which encourages them. Eleven midfielders is pretty much proven now to be the best way to achieve success and you are right that this results in better but just rarely seem to fancy watching it.

 

 

[leicesterlad1989]

I struggle with top flight football these days. Too many teams scared to lose. No enough mavericks in the game. Robotic footballers. All teams trying to implement the Pep way of playing, despite not having the players to do so. VAR. Hand ball laws. Expensive ticket prices. Players on extortionate wages. PSR. Champions League Changes. Too many European competitions. 

It's money, money, money. Now more than ever it's just a business. Fans feel alienated from their clubs. Very little connections between the club and fans these days due to foreign ownership.

I genuinely get more enjoyment from watching my daughters under 12s team play.

 

All that being said, I'll always love Leicester City. I've had a season ticket since 2008 and I dont foresee me giving it up. I just don't find the same level of enjoyment as a neutral that I once had.

 

[ajthefox]

This is the least attention I've paid to us since my first few years of fandom under MON. That is partly down to our situation, but watching the Euros this summer, I felt like a lot of the games were pretty similar to many PL games where there is a possession imbalance and the general feel of the game is favourite vs underdog. The game script isn't always going to be as you expect but the dynamic of one team passing it to death 

 

I think it's easy to overdo the revisionism and nostalgia and most of us are probably guilty of this but to me it does seem that much like many things in our global society, football is being slowly homogenised.

[Tommy G]

I guess these threads appear more often when we aren't doing very well, I cant imagine there was much discussion when we were ripping it up between 2015 - 2020. 

 

Agree with the majority here though, gonna have to get myself psyched up for saturday - the fvcking parking or lack of gets on my wick these days too. 

[foxfanazer]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

Find a local non-league team with a decent bar and food. 

 

*NB. You'll find you stop giving a shit about KPFC and the Prem.

I live local to the King's Lynn stadium so I might give it a go but I dunno, just feels kind of forced. I loosely follow Dorking Wanderers due to the bunch of amateurs YouTube channel on them 

Edited 30 September 2024 by foxfanazer

[Lako42]

Nevermind the actual cost of match tickets. 

 

 

I have mate who simply refuses to go this season as it's a piss take price wise. He's been to 10 games minimum most seasons 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

I’ve been saying this for quite a while now, I just really don’t enjoy the sport that much anymore. I think my main 2 gripes is how it is now so possession obsessed, any team who is or wants to be successful have near identical styles of play (ours last year being a perfect example we all know well), it’s just so dull to watch, win or lose I just find myself bored half to death. The other is VAR, every breathe a player takes being micro processed by blokes sitting in a trailer to see if a goal should stand, which means you now have 2 mini celebrations, the one where you score and then the one when it’s confirmed, rather than one big ‘get in!’ burst of relief or joy depending on the circumstance, the you have the analysis of the analysis, give over. There are other things, the money, the psr rubbish, the hoarding of talent at the big clubs. It just all adds up to not being any fun anymore. I reckon in the last 3 years I’ve watched as much football as I ordinarily would have any given month 10 years ago.

[Daggers]

39 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

I live local to the King's Lynn stadium so I might give it a go 

"Crap sausage rolls ,burnt pies and a sterile atmosphere," says Google Reviews. 

[foxfanazer]

3 minutes ago, Daggers said:

"Crap sausage rolls ,burnt pies and a sterile atmosphere," says Google Reviews. 

And that's just the women 

[PAULCFC]

If i still lived in Leicester i would probably still be down the KP every other week......not out of enjoyment....more habit.Can't say i enjoyed the last couple of seasons and it got more of a chore going than anything else.Now we have moved away i've found a non league team to support and really enjoying football again.....still watch the city and will allways be my first team,but non league is much more enjoyable....Don't have to walk a mile to the ground(free parking in the car park outside the ground).....Don't have to go through Showsec to get in......just wander round the ground to sit or stand.....beer on the terraces and you can take the doog in!

Edited 30 September 2024 by PAULCFC
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[Trav Le Bleu]

Football used to be a treat - now it's just there constantly.

 

It's the over saturation and over analysis that is causing football fatigue. Weirdly, when I was a kid, unless your team was in the FA Cup, you'd never see them live on TV, you had to actually go to the game... AND YET... 80s into 90s... Football game attendance was generally much less.

 

Then Sky came along and there was considerable concern that showing games on TV would mean empty stadiums. Like THAT happened !

 

Aside from which they just concentrate on the big 6, even when they aren't in the game being shown, they're bizarrely all that is talked about pre and post match.

 

The whole over analysis thing can largely put down to the rise in gambling. I think the in-depth analysis came first and then bookies realised it would be yet another way to part fools from their money. I'm probably not the first to say that the phrase, "gamble responsibly" is an oxymoron.

 

You can't have too much of a good thing - until the good thing becomes too much.