Abdul Fatawu ACL

[Ric Flair]

11 hours ago, trabuch said:

Terrible news - but it might force Cooper to look at the at the academy players. Although there really isn't any need because we've got BDCR

We'll see tonight who's missing from the U21 side. At least one of Alves, Evans or Monga is surely in contention with the possibility of no Fatawu, Bounanotte, Reid, Ayew and Vardy .

[Lambert09]

that’s us down then 

[Grebfromgrebland]

Unfortunately history and experience tells us that our players don't come back as good as they were

[notnow john]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Unfortunately history and experience tells us that our players don't come back as good as they were

We should be world class at sourcing the top surgeon and rehabilitation techniques, with the

amount of practice we’ve had!

[sharpylcfc]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

We'll see tonight who's missing from the U21 side. At least one of Alves, Evans or Monga is surely in contention with the possibility of no Fatawu, Bounanotte, Reid, Ayew and Vardy .

Let's be honest someone like Alves will be missing but still won't get a look in tomorrow!

[ozleicester]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

We'll see tonight who's missing from the U21 side. At least one of Alves, Evans or Monga is surely in contention with the possibility of no Fatawu, Bounanotte, Reid, Ayew and Vardy .

 

9 hours ago, sharpylcfc said:

Let's be honest someone like Alves will be missing but still won't get a look in tomorrow!

Only Alves didnt play.

Monga and Evans played 90....  Golding got 60 mins

[Tom12345]

Still sad for Fatawu and us that he did his ACL on international duty and is out for the year.

 

This could have been his break out year in the PL.
 

Should get him a 2 year extension though while he is out and out of the spotlight. Yes, a gamble, but he can’t be on that high of a paycheck and he is still young so worth the gamble, especially considering Rudkin has handed out extensions to players with a lot lower ceilings than Fatawu - Hamza (on 50k???), Ward (also on 50k???) etc.

 

 

Edited 20 December 2024 by Tom12345

[chuck'em]

7 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Still sad for Fatawu and us that he did his ACL on international duty and is out for the year.

 

This could have been his break out year in the PL.
 

Should get him a 2 year extension though while he is out and out of the spotlight. Yes, a gamble, but he can’t be on that high of a paycheck and he is still young so worth the gamble, especially considering Rudkin has handed out extensions to players with a lot lower ceilings than Fatawu - Hamza (on 50k???), Ward (also on 50k???) etc.

 

 

I think Fats is fantastic and I hope he comes back better than ever but this logic is flawed. Everyone knows giving those long contracts on high wages was a mistake. We need to learn from that rather than just do it again. Clear the dead wood, let him get fit again then add a year on if he shows it's not ruined him long term.

[Nolucklcfc]

10 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Still sad for Fatawu and us that he did his ACL on international duty and is out for the year.

 

This could have been his break out year in the PL.
 

Should get him a 2 year extension though while he is out and out of the spotlight. Yes, a gamble, but he can’t be on that high of a paycheck and he is still young so worth the gamble, especially considering Rudkin has handed out extensions to players with a lot lower ceilings than Fatawu - Hamza (on 50k???), Ward (also on 50k???) etc.

 

 

You never know how a player will come back after an ALC, look at Ricardo and Justin, ok they’ve had separate injuries but the ACL is the bad one. 

[Finnegan]

32 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

You never know how a player will come back after an ALC, look at Ricardo and Justin, ok they’ve had separate injuries but the ACL is the bad one. 

 

Our manager did his ACL the year before he moved to Man Utd. Didn't stop him. 

 

Shearer actually did his ACL before winning the league at Blackburn and going on to be the Premier League all time scorer. 

 

It's not a death sentence, it's just a pretty bad injury. 

 

Edited 20 December 2024 by Finnegan

[Nolucklcfc]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Our manager did his ACL the year before he moves to Man Utd. Didn't stop him. 

 

Shearer actually did his ACL before winning the league at Blackburn and going on to be the Premier League all time scorer. 

 

It's not a death sentence, it's just a pretty bad injury. 

 

Yes some players come back the same but others don’t. To extend a contract during recovery for an ACL is madness 

[Wymsey]

Late-February, possibly.

[Bert]

2 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Late-February, possibly.

No chance 

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Bert said:

No chance 

unless he’s superman !

minimum I can see in top level football is six months and that isn’t going to be ready for PL matches 

 

they won’t rush him - they’ll hope he can be ready to start pre season with the rest of the squad.  To get there he’ll have to do a lot of rehab and push himself when the knee is ready to be stressed to build back that muscle. 

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

Late-February, possibly.

That’s probably the earliest we get the “Look who’s back” post on the socials seeing him walk onto the training pitch but we will be very lucky to see him in a match this season I recon.

 

Someone gave Scamacca as an example at Atalanta. He was in training about 6 weeks ago and is nowhere near the match day squad.

[Bluearmyfox28]

14 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Late-February, possibly.

Where have you pulled that one from then? Quick recovery’s are seen as around 6-9 months for an ACL injury! Late Feb would make it around 4 months no? Never happening.

[Tom12345]

21 hours ago, chuck'em said:

I think Fats is fantastic and I hope he comes back better than ever but this logic is flawed. Everyone knows giving those long contracts on high wages was a mistake. We need to learn from that rather than just do it again. Clear the dead wood, let him get fit again then add a year on if he shows it's not ruined him long term.

Usually I would agree but in our case it is different.

 

Rudkin keeps giving extensions to the likes of Ward and Hamza on ridiculously high wages when it is clear there is not much upside.

 

Fatawu is young with bags of potential. Looks at Fofana. He came back and made us millions from the sale to Chelsea. My point is, if we give out 50k extensions to Ward and Hamza, surely it makes much better business sense to tie someone like Fatawu up for a longer period (talking about 2 years) on relatively low wages at a time his stock is lower and he would be grateful - win loyalty and potential long term business gain.

 

By the time he comes back, he would only have 2 years left on his contract? We don’t want another Tielemans situation.

 

No hurry but something we should do towards the end of his recovery so we can assess the state of his recovery but before he starts gaining heaps of value (most likely) when he is back.

 

This club has made so many mistakes in recent years - still disappointed over Lookman who really completed our team at the time, proven to be very good (but just lacked confidence when he joined us) and who was available on the cheap (12m).

[Lesta2014]

Cooper wasn’t most honest about injuries was he? Could it be an mcl fatawu done not ACL?  He appears to be walking unaided a lot quicker than I remember seeing Ricardo and Justin after their ops too?

Edited 21 December 2024 by Lesta2014

[st albans fox]

11 minutes ago, Lesta2014 said:

Cooper wasn’t most honest about injuries was he? Could it be an mcl fatawu done not ACL?  He appears to be walking unaided a lot quicker than I remember seeing Ricardo and Justin after their ops too?

players walk around quickly after knee ops nowadays.  But the ligament needs to repair which takes months. You can’t just strengthen a reconstructed ligament without due care.  There is no benefit for us to mislead on his injury.  it actually puts us in a worse negotiating position in jan when buying players. 

[Viva]

4 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Usually I would agree but in our case it is different.

 

Rudkin keeps giving extensions to the likes of Ward and Hamza on ridiculously high wages when it is clear there is not much upside.

 

Fatawu is young with bags of potential. Looks at Fofana. He came back and made us millions from the sale to Chelsea. My point is, if we give out 50k extensions to Ward and Hamza, surely it makes much better business sense to tie someone like Fatawu up for a longer period (talking about 2 years) on relatively low wages at a time his stock is lower and he would be grateful - win loyalty and potential long term business gain.

 

By the time he comes back, he would only have 2 years left on his contract? We don’t want another Tielemans situation.

 

No hurry but something we should do towards the end of his recovery so we can assess the state of his recovery but before he starts gaining heaps of value (most likely) when he is back.

 

This club has made so many mistakes in recent years - still disappointed over Lookman who really completed our team at the time, proven to be very good (but just lacked confidence when he joined us) and who was available on the cheap (12m).

He has 4 and half years left on his contract. There is no reason whatsoever for extending it now. 

 

[Chrysalis]

12 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Usually I would agree but in our case it is different.

 

Rudkin keeps giving extensions to the likes of Ward and Hamza on ridiculously high wages when it is clear there is not much upside.

 

Fatawu is young with bags of potential. Looks at Fofana. He came back and made us millions from the sale to Chelsea. My point is, if we give out 50k extensions to Ward and Hamza, surely it makes much better business sense to tie someone like Fatawu up for a longer period (talking about 2 years) on relatively low wages at a time his stock is lower and he would be grateful - win loyalty and potential long term business gain.

 

By the time he comes back, he would only have 2 years left on his contract? We don’t want another Tielemans situation.

 

No hurry but something we should do towards the end of his recovery so we can assess the state of his recovery but before he starts gaining heaps of value (most likely) when he is back.

 

This club has made so many mistakes in recent years - still disappointed over Lookman who really completed our team at the time, proven to be very good (but just lacked confidence when he joined us) and who was available on the cheap (12m).

Contract and wage management has been diabolical.  Its either short with high wages, or long with low wages.  All of the young players we signed Tielemans etc,. should have started on 6 year contracts.  If you consider our tendency to sell players, it makes it even worse, after just two seasons its either sell or big wage increase time on negotiation, club then I guess felt they had enough of it and then ended up letting valuable players leave for nothing, easily a sackable offence but the loon is still employed by the club.

 

Dont get me started on the refusal to cut losses either.

[ACF]

3 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Contract and wage management has been diabolical.  Its either short with high wages, or long with low wages.  All of the young players we signed Tielemans etc,. should have started on 6 year contracts.  If you consider our tendency to sell players, it makes it even worse, after just two seasons its either sell or big wage increase time on negotiation, club then I guess felt they had enough of it and then ended up letting valuable players leave for nothing, easily a sackable offence but the loon is still employed by the club.

 

Dont get me started on the refusal to cut losses either.

There is no way in hell Youri would have signed a six year deal under the wages we would’ve been proposing. Players WANT to be out of contract to get the signing on fee and to renegotiate. It’s fanciful to suggest that players would do that.

 

The contract lengths were fine, it was performance on the pitch that was the issue. Missing Champions League twice the way we did absolutely scuppered a lot of paths to PSR success.

[Bert]

13 hours ago, Viva said:

He has 4 and half years left on his contract. There is no reason whatsoever for extending it now. 

 

Would also be crazy when you consider he’s currently got a potential career ender. 

[Chrysalis]

16 hours ago, ACF said:

There is no way in hell Youri would have signed a six year deal under the wages we would’ve been proposing. Players WANT to be out of contract to get the signing on fee and to renegotiate. It’s fanciful to suggest that players would do that.

 

The contract lengths were fine, it was performance on the pitch that was the issue. Missing Champions League twice the way we did absolutely scuppered a lot of paths to PSR success.

Thats what good DoF's do, they convince them.

[Sly]

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